ScR is borderline OP using a regular DS3. Maybe if that was the whole story, it might go unchanged.

But it is absurdly OP using a modded controller or mouse macros. Video here. If there was supposed to be an 800HP full auto, long range weapon in the game, you'd be able to use it with a stock DS3.

I know there are lots of legitimate DS3 scrambler users out there, some of them real beasts. You guys need to speak up and acknowledge that there is an issue with turbo scramblers. Otherwise, the weapon will be nerfed in a way that hurts you as much as it does the abusers, e.g. damage per shot reduction (including nerfed charge shot). If you don't want that, you need to suggest a different change, one that can be done with existing code but with changed values.

RoF has been the focus of attention because that is a simple variable to change, which clearly hurts turbo users while having no or virtually no impact on the classic 'charge+follow up' ScR user. If you don't like the RoF nerf, you need to make another suggestion. Because a nerf will come. Look at the topics in GD. The forums have spoken. Whether you like it or not, there is a critical mass of QQ and change is afoot.

You can be a positive force, and hurt the glitchers. Or you can stick to the linef 'it's totally reasonable to expect humans to spam R1 at 700+RPM while strafing' and take your medicine when something much worse than a RoF change comes along.

ScR is borderline OP using a regular DS3. Maybe if that was the whole story, it might go unchanged.

But it is absurdly OP using a modded controller or mouse macros. Video here. If there was supposed to be an 800HP full auto, long range weapon in the game, you'd be able to use it with a stock DS3.

I know there are lots of legitimate DS3 scrambler users out there, some of them real beasts. You guys need to speak up and acknowledge that there is an issue with turbo scramblers. Otherwise, the weapon will be nerfed in a way that hurts you as much as it does the abusers, e.g. damage per shot reduction (including nerfed charge shot). If you don't want that, you need to suggest a different change, one that can be done with existing code but with changed values.

RoF has been the focus of attention because that is a simple variable to change, which clearly hurts turbo users while having no or virtually no impact on the classic 'charge+follow up' ScR user. If you don't like the RoF nerf, you need to make another suggestion. Because a nerf will come. Look at the topics in GD. The forums have spoken. Whether you like it or not, there is a critical mass of QQ and change is afoot.

You can be a positive force, and hurt the glitchers. Or you can stick to the linef 'it's totally reasonable to expect humans to spam R1 at 700+RPM while strafing' and take your medicine when something much worse than a RoF change comes along.

What number or percentage do you consider to be a problem? I mean do you really think its that many people? I play Dust everyday and never see this as a problem. I see it as so, ething that happens occasionally, you make it sound as if its all thats being used.

IMO there should be a coded in mechanism to jam weapons firing at a constant interval.
Fire four or five times with the exact same time between trigger pushes? That's not human, your weapon just jammed.

IMO there should be a coded in mechanism to jam weapons firing at a constant interval.
Fire four or five times with the exact same time between trigger pushes? That's not human, your weapon just jammed.

IMO there should be a coded in mechanism to jam weapons firing at a constant interval.
Fire four or five times with the exact same time between trigger pushes? That's not human, your weapon just jammed.

Well to adress one issue you say about "Mouse Macro's" I personally do not know of a mouse that allows to have the left mouse button to use a macro and even if it could, it would be controlled by "Software" that is installed on the PC, detach it from the pc and it would loose that function, my razor naga does not allow a remap of does not have hardware macros.

800DPS+long range+full auto+minimal kick (watch the video if you don't believe me)

ScR is borderline OP using a regular DS3. Maybe if that was the whole story, it might go unchanged.

But it is absurdly OP using a modded controller or mouse macros. Video here. If there was supposed to be an 800HP full auto, long range weapon in the game, you'd be able to use it with a stock DS3.

I know there are lots of legitimate DS3 scrambler users out there, some of them real beasts. You guys need to speak up and acknowledge that there is an issue with turbo scramblers. Otherwise, the weapon will be nerfed in a way that hurts you as much as it does the abusers, e.g. damage per shot reduction (including nerfed charge shot). If you don't want that, you need to suggest a different change, one that can be done with existing code but with changed values.

RoF has been the focus of attention because that is a simple variable to change, which clearly hurts turbo users while having no or virtually no impact on the classic 'charge+follow up' ScR user. If you don't like the RoF nerf, you need to make another suggestion. Because a nerf will come. Look at the topics in GD. The forums have spoken. Whether you like it or not, there is a critical mass of QQ and change is afoot.

You can be a positive force, and hurt the glitchers. Or you can stick to the linef 'it's totally reasonable to expect humans to spam R1 at 700+RPM while strafing' and take your medicine when something much worse than a RoF change comes along.

That or exceeding the rate a human can push the trigger (especially with 0 variation between shot intervals). I disagree with the punishment though. It should suicide you, so you loose the suit and then boot you from the match. This should happen for all weapons.

Thats not what I am asking. Im asking how big do you think this problem is? In other words how many players do you really think are doing this? I think not many, just my opinion.

Use of modded controller... Once again, not the weapon, it's the user that has the advantage... Same goes for Boundless CR users out there with Modded Controllers who's CR shoots faster than a Six Kin....

i know of a mouse that can store onboard macros...

razer naga :P

not kidding go over the software once more and you should probably read an online manual for it :P

i used to use this mouse all the time for botting and creating stupid complex macros for a different game, this combined with a nostromo pad make for an amazing macro suite.

(you can reprogram ALL the buttons on the naga to do whatever you feel like, the most common is to reprogram the side top left 2 mouse buttons with the click button so that you retain the use of the regular right and left clicks but you can in fact reprogram the naga's left and right mouse buttons.)

the naga also stores everything in on board memory, the software only alows you to reprogram it and isnt activly functioning while you use it, hell you dont even need the software to reprogram it but its a terribly convoluted hack to bybass the program unnessesarily. basically every macro is in the mouse alowing you to detach from your computer and install on a different machine without losing all your settings, this also applys to plugging it into a ps3.

i guess what im saying is everything about your statement is incorrect.

Show me a video with a full auto Boundless combat rifle and you'll be able to start a Boundless CR RoF reduction campaign.

What I can tell you for a fact is that with the cheap and un-usably stiff -ú10 ($15 or so I guess?) turbo controller I have, the ScR fires at an incredible rate of fire, exactly like in the video. The Boundless CR simply does not play nice with that controller, RoF seems to be no better than I can achieve with a DS3. I don't know why that is exactly, but that's why we're talking about the ScR, not CR.

I'm guessing that he knows and uses it with his scrambler LOL

Idk for me it's balanced because turbo guys usually overheat quickly and I can fire almost as fast as a turbo scr for a second (okay...around 610 RPM but lol) so I don't mind. CCP should just add a cap for 706 RPM for modded controllers lol

Except that there is nothing illegal about 3rd party input devices. Companys wouldn't do that I would think.

http://youtu.be/Rq_yXzYl0qM

Proof that I can get up past 650 RPM

A bit different on the controller because you have to maintain SOME accuracy, but my average slowly goes down the longer I press the button rapidly. However at certain times the timing between two button presses is insanely fast and can reach high values like this, meaning that reducing the RoF to something ridiculous like 500 would make it VERY hard for someone like me to use the thing.

I don't want my Scrambler to feel clunky when I'm using it, where I have to slow down my trigger presses just to allow the weapon to register my button presse -_-

at about 0:21-0:23 you can see the number flash to 700 for a brief moment, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. My RoF varies as I press the button, and the weapon should fire as fast as I can press the trigger.

I think the number of modded SCR's is probably being overstated a tad, I haven't really noticed being killed extravagantly nor unfairly by SCR's. I get more killed by CR's and Rails, Nova Knifes and Shotguns.

IMO there should be a coded in mechanism to jam weapons firing at a constant interval.
Fire four or five times with the exact same time between trigger pushes? That's not human, your weapon just jammed.

I'll just leave this here:



That said, I think a slight ROF nerf similar to what they did with the TAR's is not unreasonable, provided nothing else is changed, but this whole sudden massive crusade about the ScR is a little baffling to me.

It's simple... The FOTM scrubs got their sh*t balanced(mostly) so in anger they have decided to get the balanced skill based weapon nerfed so that they can again sit fat and happy in their skill-less scrub fits.

It's simple... The FOTM scrubs got their sh*t balanced(mostly) so in anger they have decided to get the balanced skill based weapon nerfed so that they can again sit fat and happy in their skill-less scrub fits.