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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:31:00 -
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I'm sorry but no. Do you know what this FOTM bullshit is really about?
All the Caldari and Minmatar suits are getting pissed they're being lazor'd to death. It's also because they can't complain about the heavy as much anymore because they were slightly nerfed.
What makes the Assault any more FOTM than the Amarr Commando? Nothing, that's what. I'd argue it's not even better than the Min Assault, possibly not even as good.
Anyone who armor stacks and is afraid of a ScR... I'm sorry but you are a class A scrub...
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:41:00 -
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By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this...
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:32:00 -
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People complain because of the Amarr passive that lowers the heat build up for laser weapons. So basically you can empty a clip into a person with a ScR and it works wonders for the laser rifle.
The min bonus to clip size of cr and smg is way more OP then the amarr one though |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:49:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this...
As if that same intelligence were right in advocating a nerf to ARs when the selection of weapons were limited at the time bro.
We are pushing hard for the SCR nerf because its needs to be addressed. It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
Saying what's on people's minds
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
65
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:51:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:People complain because of the Amarr passive that lowers the heat build up for laser weapons. So basically you can empty a clip into a person with a ScR and it works wonders for the laser rifle.
The min bonus to clip size of cr and smg is way more OP then the amarr one though
No, even max Amarr assault skill, human can tap only 21-23 shots on SCR before it overheat.
problem is turbo controller on SCR
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1375
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:52:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote: It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
Too funny. Last I remember Caldari logis were ++ber-OP, now the assaults been revised and now we actually have something to counter those mad shielders. 'Poor Cal players' 
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:55:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this... As if that same intelligence were right in advocating a nerf to ARs when the selection of weapons were limited at the time bro. We are pushing hard for the SCR nerf because its needs to be addressed. It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
CR on MIN Assault also cut through Armor stack like butter, so we should nerd CR at the same time then!
Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:00:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Krixus Flux wrote: It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
Too funny. Last I remember Caldari logis were ++ber-OP, now the assaults been revised and now we actually have something to counter those mad shielders. 'Poor Cal players'
No, the Minmatar logis were OP. The common player chose CalLogi, but MinLogis were the best. So dude, that's how you reply? With a 5 year old rebuttal "well they were OP first". I hope that's not how we define what should and shouldn't be nerfed around here.
The DPS on a SCR is crucial. Couple that with a charged shot bro, plus heat bonus and your reaction time means nothing. In a game with longer TTK, the SCR circumvents that. It should be on par with other weapon balances. Its something that needs to be addressed.
You and others are just trying to knock the wind out of the sails because you and I both know how OP EZ mode the SCR is and how it dispatches mercs fairly quickly. We nerfed every weapon that has done this in the past, but now we can't do that with the SCR because CalLogis were uber OP? C'mon bro, don't be that guy.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:01:00 -
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RedPencil wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this... As if that same intelligence were right in advocating a nerf to ARs when the selection of weapons were limited at the time bro. We are pushing hard for the SCR nerf because its needs to be addressed. It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed. CR on MIN Assault also cut through Armor stack like butter, so we should nerd CR at the same time then!
Are you serious bro or are you being cynical?
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1375
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:08:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Krixus Flux wrote: It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
Too funny. Last I remember Caldari logis were ++ber-OP, now the assaults been revised and now we actually have something to counter those mad shielders. 'Poor Cal players' No, the Minmatar logis were OP. The common player chose CalLogi, but MinLogis were the best. So dude, that's how you reply? With a 5 year old rebuttal "well they were OP first". I hope that's not how we define what should and shouldn't be nerfed around here. The DPS on a SCR is crucial. Couple that with a charged shot bro, plus heat bonus and your reaction time means nothing. In a game with longer TTK, the SCR circumvents that. It should be on par with other weapon balances. Its something that needs to be addressed. You and others are just trying to knock the wind out of the sails because you and I both know how OP EZ mode the SCR is and how it dispatches mercs fairly quickly. We nerfed every weapon that has done this in the past, but now we can't do that with the SCR because CalLogis were uber OP? C'mon bro, don't be that guy.
I find it weird that people are now crying about the ScR, when it's been like this forever. Also the assault version got toned down. Amarr Assault has had the cooldown bonus for a long time (Except when it didn't work after the patch for a long time), what has changed now specifically that people are wanting it to be nerfed?
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:15:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:
I find it weird that people are now crying about the ScR, when it's been like this forever. Also the assault version got toned down. Amarr Assault has had the cooldown bonus for a long time (Except when it didn't work after the patch for a long time), what has changed now specifically that people are wanting it to be nerfed?
I understand dude. From my time lurking on forums and posting, whenever it was mentioned, the community quickly banned together and stamped out the fire before it even had a spark. It was like some secret mafia was involved that helped you sleep with the fishes if you mentioned its name.
The effect of the hotfixes and more players becoming aware of its power has helped the nerf talks find traction again.
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Newbs With Bewbs
xx The Fairies xx
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:35:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this...
The combat rifle is meant to be good at cqc, the scrambler rifle isn't.
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Floyd20 Azizora
Solution Remnants
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:50:00 -
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nothing has changed with the scr, why is everyone complaining about them now? |
Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:55:00 -
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It's a great gun even without the bonus (although it's a bit tricky to use on slow suits without the bonus of the 'Mando and Assault), the bonus(es) are exceptional and the suit itself is now awesomely powerful.
I can see what they're complaining about, though I disagree about the extent.
I think cutting its RPM to about 500-550 would do the trick - it'd essentially negate the benefits of using a modded controller (although Monkey MAC doesn't seem to think that's a reachable RPM for some reason).
People need to think of the overheat as more of an enforced reload with no skill to reduce it. Even the AR with the longest reload of the rifles reloads in about 2.5s after the bonus, slightly longer than the ScR's ~2s cooldown and vastly superior to the 5s seize duration.
And, of course, you can sprint-cancel a reload.
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
65
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:59:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:RedPencil wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this... As if that same intelligence were right in advocating a nerf to ARs when the selection of weapons were limited at the time bro. We are pushing hard for the SCR nerf because its needs to be addressed. It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed. CR on MIN Assault also cut through Armor stack like butter, so we should nerd CR at the same time then! Are you serious bro or are you being cynical?
I'm serious dude. It is the same aspect that you complain on SCR. CR is build to kill armor, the same way as SCR build to kill shield.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
987
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Posted - 2014.08.21 09:59:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:
As if that same intelligence were right in advocating a nerf to ARs when the selection of weapons were limited at the time bro.
We are pushing hard for the SCR nerf because its needs to be addressed. It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
I don't use a ScR. I have picked it up on occasion just out of curiosity. I'll tell you one thing I DO have a LR on my Amarr Assault character and if anyone starts bitching about that I will just shake my head and laugh at you fools...
I'm sorry dude but shield tanking in this game is bad and guess what, if you don't want to be lazored to death then DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO - USE SHIELD REGEN AND REGS. Pop in and out of cover.
**** I've used a Dragonfly Assault and it doesn't matter if it's a laser or what - I die quick from EVERYTHING in that suit. And I understand that shields are meant to be low HP, high regen.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:11:00 -
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You know what's the counter to an SCR?
My Gal Assault.
It wrecks them hard.
I switch to a Minnie suit when I get pounded with explosives, so you can switch to a Gal Assault when they spam SCR's.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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SAIRAX SIS
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
121
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:14:00 -
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Noob said " My Sentinel & HMG must win ! f^^^ you Scouts, HAV, ADS ! "
New > Assaults OP ! mid-long range shooters OP !
:D
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:41:00 -
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One enhanced damage mod can give the Cr a 100/115 profile
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
585
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:44:00 -
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as a dual tanking minmatar i havnt had a problem with the scrambler up close or mid range in the slightest.. though lazer rifls are still a problem if they got prof 4+ at mid to long range
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Repe Susi
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:46:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:One enhanced damage mod can give the Cr a 100/115 profile
Damage mods boost only the other, better stat so it's either Shields or Armor, not both.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
987
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:29:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:One enhanced damage mod can give the Cr a 100/115 profile Damage mods boost only the other, better stat so it's either Shields or Armor, not both.
o_O really i didnt know that
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:29:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:One enhanced damage mod can give the Cr a 100/115 profile
Exactly, the ScR is fine where it is. |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
987
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:32:00 -
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I just realized something.
Pay attention to the ScR QQers' corporations or if they are someone's alt.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to take note of this whenever I see ANY kind of QQ directed at Rattati...
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:45:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:One enhanced damage mod can give the Cr a 100/115 profile Damage mods boost only the other, better stat so it's either Shields or Armor, not both.
It boost both stats not just one
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:51:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
Armour Burst Combat Rifle: 525 DPS
Armour Assault Combat Rifle: 440 DPS
Armour Scrambler Rifle: 492 DPS (approx 480 RPM)
whaaaat?
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Aim Assist, plus lower dispersion makes it easier, it's no more or less skilled than any other weapon.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this...
So far the 'Intelligent' players have whinned like little baby's at a ROF nerf that will reduce it to 6 per second.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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safura trotsky
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:53:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:People complain because of the Amarr passive that lowers the heat build up for laser weapons. So basically you can empty a clip into a person with a ScR and it works wonders for the laser rifle.
The min bonus to clip size of cr and smg is way more OP then the amarr one though
empty a clip? HA...HAHA.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:01:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Repe Susi wrote:
I find it weird that people are now crying about the ScR, when it's been like this forever. Also the assault version got toned down. Amarr Assault has had the cooldown bonus for a long time (Except when it didn't work after the patch for a long time), what has changed now specifically that people are wanting it to be nerfed?
I understand dude. From my time lurking on forums and posting, whenever it was mentioned, the community quickly banned together and stamped out the fire before it even had a spark. It was like some secret mafia was involved that helped you sleep with the fishes if you mentioned its name. The effect of the hotfixes and more players becoming aware of its power has helped the nerf talks find traction again. To your edit: Everything is basically a counter to shields. CRs, LRs, and SCRs. This is not the case with other racial variants who don't run shield based defenses. They don't have several things to worry about as shield based defenses does. you know what the real problem is you flipen tards trying to run around in one i win suit all day and when the counter to you suit kills you it must be OP. freaking right there should be a counter to a caldari scout and yep its the amarr assault. i have 3 different suits to change into depending on what the enemies are running. try to kill my armor stacked gallente heavy with a scrambler rifle in the city and see how that works out. to many rail rifles ill pull out a 627 sheild caldari assault and hardly take damage. to many caldari scouts running around and my amarr assault comes out to play. so guess what if you chosen to run around in a caldari scout 24/7 you will die to a scrambler rifle. so why nerf a gun because your to stupid to counter something.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1989
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:08:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:bamboo x wrote:By the way this is NOTHING NEW. The ScR has BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE. In fact it WAS nerfed when 1.8 came out along with the other light weapons.
If anything the Combat Rifle is OP because you can just hipfire and put out as much DPS or more than if you just tapped the ScR trigger as fast as you can.
With the ScR the hipfire is a lot harder to aim and if you want to land a charged shot you also have to aim well so it requires SKILL and is NOT FOTM.
Find something else to complain about people... the intelligent Dust users will just shut you down on this... As if that same intelligence were right in advocating a nerf to ARs when the selection of weapons were limited at the time bro. We are pushing hard for the SCR nerf because its needs to be addressed. It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
I use a Cal Scout with less than 300 EhP, i barely ever get ganked by SCR... Learn to use the Covers provided and stop running straight at a laser or ScR user... LOL
Oh i also use a Calmando and fight Amarr Assault with Scr or laser
I specced into Amarr assault back when Caldari assaults became useless... I used ScR before and after it was nerfed...
"WE" are pushing ?! You mean the crybabies who needs to post after every build about something ?!
Why don't you say something about the Burst HMGs ?! LOL You'll Get my Support for that for sure... And i have Sentinel AK0 with Six kin Burst... So i know what i'm talking about... |
NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1989
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:11:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Krixus Flux wrote: It's bad when everything has a counter, except for those poor Cal players who can't even stand a chance against a SCR with Amarr Assault heat bonus. I know you don't want your crutch nerfed but it needs to be nerfed.
Too funny. Last I remember Caldari logis were ++ber-OP, now the assaults been revised and now we actually have something to counter those mad shielders. 'Poor Cal players' No, the Minmatar logis were OP. The common player chose CalLogi, but MinLogis were the best. So dude, that's how you reply? With a 5 year old rebuttal "well they were OP first". I hope that's not how we define what should and shouldn't be nerfed around here. The DPS on a SCR is crucial. Couple that with a charged shot bro, plus heat bonus and your reaction time means nothing. In a game with longer TTK, the SCR circumvents that. It should be on par with other weapon balances. Its something that needs to be addressed. You and others are just trying to knock the wind out of the sails because you and I both know how OP EZ mode the SCR is and how it dispatches mercs fairly quickly. We nerfed every weapon that has done this in the past, but now we can't do that with the SCR because CalLogis were uber OP? C'mon bro, don't be that guy.
Cal Logi's are still Great.... CR beats any other rifle when you bring in DPS.... That ROF and that spray mechanism, Given a choice between Boundless/Six Kin CR or Viziam SCR, i'll take CR anyday... It's way more effective... |
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