DUST Search - [Video] Scrambler Rifle is NOT OP

I-Shayz-I wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNTY7ASXq8

I'm tired of all you guys whining on the forums. I have SCR Prof 5 Amarr Assault 4...and can tell you right now that it is good in the right hands but is not OP just because you can die quickly by it.

Yes it could use with an increase to dispersion. Yes, the RoF needs to be reduced SLIGHTLY (down to about 600 or so).

But can we please at least understand why the RoF is so high? I demonstrate in this video how RPM means an average, and not just how fast you are firing at any one time. By decreasing it to such a low level as 400 or 500 you risk breaking the weapon from the inability for it to fire as smoothly as it does.

The CR has this issue where if you press the button as fast as possible it fires very clunky, whereas if you time your button presses you can fire it almost automatically
(please see this video for that explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAwF860swU)

We don't want that to happen to the SCR, please understand that.
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The SCR has many counters:

-Shotguns
-Nova Knives
-Plasma Cannons (Amarr suits move slow enough to get direct hits easily)
-Rail Rifles (key here is outrange with an armor based suit)
-RE's
-Heavies with HMGs
-Armor tanked suits
-Fast strafing at distance
-Profile dampeners + flanking (make sure you get the alpha...I like to use a sentinel with a burst HMG)

If the player is an armor tanked suit with a SCR, use a scout and sneak around or use agility to outrun them/distract them
If the player is a scout with a SCR, use a heavy or heavily armored suit. They will think twice about trying to kill you, often overheating before they realize you won't go down easily.

Survive long enough to take the first amount of burst damage and you will kill them every time, or make sure you get the drop on them.

It's THAT simple.
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I-Shayz-I I----------I 4629	Posted - 2014.08.21 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNTY7ASXq8 I'm tired of all you guys whining on the forums. I have SCR Prof 5 Amarr Assault 4...and can tell you right now that it is good in the right hands but is not OP just because you can die quickly by it. Yes it could use with an increase to dispersion. Yes, the RoF needs to be reduced SLIGHTLY (down to about 600 or so). But can we please at least understand why the RoF is so high? I demonstrate in this video how RPM means an average, and not just how fast you are firing at any one time. By decreasing it to such a low level as 400 or 500 you risk breaking the weapon from the inability for it to fire as smoothly as it does. The CR has this issue where if you press the button as fast as possible it fires very clunky, whereas if you time your button presses you can fire it almost automatically (please see this video for that explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAwF860swU) We don't want that to happen to the SCR, please understand that. __________________________________________________________________________________ The SCR has many counters: -Shotguns -Nova Knives -Plasma Cannons (Amarr suits move slow enough to get direct hits easily) -Rail Rifles (key here is outrange with an armor based suit) -RE's -Heavies with HMGs -Armor tanked suits -Fast strafing at distance -Profile dampeners + flanking (make sure you get the alpha...I like to use a sentinel with a burst HMG) If the player is an armor tanked suit with a SCR, use a scout and sneak around or use agility to outrun them/distract them If the player is a scout with a SCR, use a heavy or heavily armored suit. They will think twice about trying to kill you, often overheating before they realize you won't go down easily. Survive long enough to take the first amount of burst damage and you will kill them every time, or make sure you get the drop on them. It's THAT simple. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Make sure to leave your hate-filled comments about why I'm wrong below! :D 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2353	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:11:00 - [2] - Quote people are not willing to think through a situation, let alone try logically counter one. Therefore; If the SCR kills someone that can only mean one thing, IT IS OP Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Cody Sietz Evzones 3880	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:33:00 - [3] - Quote Why is the ScR the only weapon not allowed to be tweaked? Seriously, everytime someone even mentions the ScR and a slight change to it(that isn't a buff) people have to jump to defend it. People have been abusing the RoF with modded controllers, lower the RoF slightly so it can't be abused. That's it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 439	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:37:00 - [4] - Quote Every other weapon that were nerfed in their prime had counters as well bro. The SCR is OP. Charged shot, DPS; those two things wreck mercs faster than any other weapon in the game. You got more time to react to a HMG of old than you do a SCR in every build. You guys just don't want it nerfed. I understand bro. But it needs to be, in the effort of g Saying what's on people's minds
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3263	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:42:00 - [5] - Quote Let me tone down my trolling to be serious for a moment. I-Shayz-I wrote: Yes it could use with an increase to dispersion. Yes, the RoF needs to be reduced SLIGHTLY (down to about 600 or so). Let's not mince words here. If you think it needs a simultaneous hipfire and RoF nerf, it is OP. The current RPM is ~700, so you are saying it needs about a roughly 15% RPM reduction. That's a pretty significant drop for a weapon that isn't OP. And just to be clear, when I say OP, I don't mean it has the powers of the gods, I mean that it is functioning beyond the level that it should be. Whether or not the amount that it goes beyond is small or large is moot. I will label it OP all the same. SP Sinks? Fixed.
M1A1 Blaster Master Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:44:00 - [6] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNTY7ASXq8 AND BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Your point is mute because you are a known glitcher and you use a turbo controller. Basically what your vid relates to is WAHHH DON'T NERF MY GUN BRO.... SCR is OP and needs a nerf. Case closed.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12997	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:47:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Why is the ScR the only weapon not allowed to be tweaked? Seriously, everytime someone even mentions the ScR and a slight change to it(that isn't a buff) people have to jump to defend it. People have been abusing the RoF with modded controllers, lower the RoF slightly so it can't be abused. That's it. It's been tweaked before. In the way back when.....it was never FoTM but got a nerf anyway because players ran numbers on it. Now its getting another nerf because players are running number on it not because its becoming FoTM............. Its basically why I am done with Dust. People never HTFU, half the content is missing.................moreover this community is one that thinks it knows whats best for the game but has such an atrocious track record with suggestions is just to involved to shut the **** up. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
M1A1 Blaster Master Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:52:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Why is the ScR the only weapon not allowed to be tweaked? Seriously, everytime someone even mentions the ScR and a slight change to it(that isn't a buff) people have to jump to defend it. People have been abusing the RoF with modded controllers, lower the RoF slightly so it can't be abused. That's it. It's been tweaked before. In the way back when.....it was never FoTM but got a nerf anyway because players ran numbers on it. Now its getting another nerf because players are running number on it not because its becoming FoTM............. Its basically why I am done with Dust. People never HTFU, half the content is missing.................moreover this community is one that thinks it knows whats best for the game but has such an atrocious track record with suggestions is just to involved to shut the **** up. So it is OK for my beloved GLU to get nerfed into the ground because of modded controllers but when they come for your beloved SCR you are going to quit....You're a chump modded controller using SCR user dude. Just admit it.
Cody Sietz Evzones 3882	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:52:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Why is the ScR the only weapon not allowed to be tweaked? Seriously, everytime someone even mentions the ScR and a slight change to it(that isn't a buff) people have to jump to defend it. People have been abusing the RoF with modded controllers, lower the RoF slightly so it can't be abused. That's it. It's been tweaked before. In the way back when.....it was never FoTM but got a nerf anyway because players ran numbers on it. Now its getting another nerf because players are running number on it not because its becoming FoTM............. Its basically why I am done with Dust. People never HTFU, half the content is missing.................moreover this community is one that thinks it knows whats best for the game but has such an atrocious track record with suggestions is just to involved to shut the **** up. Yes, and the AR got nerfed hard a bunch if times, It also got a buffed backed into being a usable weapon. All weapons have been touched in one way or another. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12999	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:56:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Why is the ScR the only weapon not allowed to be tweaked? Seriously, everytime someone even mentions the ScR and a slight change to it(that isn't a buff) people have to jump to defend it. People have been abusing the RoF with modded controllers, lower the RoF slightly so it can't be abused. That's it. It's been tweaked before. In the way back when.....it was never FoTM but got a nerf anyway because players ran numbers on it. Now its getting another nerf because players are running number on it not because its becoming FoTM............. Its basically why I am done with Dust. People never HTFU, half the content is missing.................moreover this community is one that thinks it knows whats best for the game but has such an atrocious track record with suggestions is just to involved to shut the **** up. Yes, and the AR got nerfed hard a bunch if times, It also got a buffed backed into being a usable weapon. All weapons have been touched in one way or another. And from the bottom of my charred and sodomised heart (thankyou CCP) I wish you gun was as good as it always should have been. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

Cody Sietz Evzones 3882	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:26:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Why is the ScR the only weapon not allowed to be tweaked? Seriously, everytime someone even mentions the ScR and a slight change to it(that isn't a buff) people have to jump to defend it. People have been abusing the RoF with modded controllers, lower the RoF slightly so it can't be abused. That's it. It's been tweaked before. In the way back when.....it was never FoTM but got a nerf anyway because players ran numbers on it. Now its getting another nerf because players are running number on it not because its becoming FoTM............. Its basically why I am done with Dust. People never HTFU, half the content is missing.................moreover this community is one that thinks it knows whats best for the game but has such an atrocious track record with suggestions is just to involved to shut the **** up. Yes, and the AR got nerfed hard a bunch if times, It also got a buffed backed into being a usable weapon. All weapons have been touched in one way or another. And from the bottom of my charred and sodomised heart (thankyou CCP) I wish you gun was as good as it always should have been. I honestly like where it ended. Clone range and high RoF with a good dmg profile, it functions just like a Gal weapon should. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 713	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:51:00 - [12] - Quote I don't always agree with Shayz, but when I do, it's about Scrambler Rifles. +1 Living proof that the Amarr can't do anything without the Caldari
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7335	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:57:00 - [13] - Quote Oh look. The ~~Duvolle Tactical~~ users are at it again. Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4355	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:32:00 - [14] - Quote Agreed! * Cap ScR RoF to upper bounds of human limits :-) * Increase ScR hipfire dispersion (same for RR) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Guiltless D667 84	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:38:00 - [15] - Quote I wonder if theirs an analytical mind on the CPM board that can judge those vidoes to see if it's OP or not,you know just to make sure A Strange Game. Crysis 514
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 984	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:50:00 - [16] - Quote im starting to question why i made a thread that agrees with shayz... my AR needs to be OP again. NERF DAT **** SCRAMBLER!!!!! Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
The Eristic Dust 90210 625	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:14:00 - [17] - Quote Some simple anti-turbo "protection" should be pretty easy to implement, should the devs be so inclined (and should've been in the game from the start - it's PvP FPS, of course scrublords are going to try to use turbos). Might be trickier to stop more sophisticated pieces, but those would likely represent a much smaller portion of the scrublord population in the first place, due to relative complexity of design (if modding the piece one's self) or the additional expense if buying. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1820	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:22:00 - [18] - Quote Hmm interesting, any ideas for a counter in a shield suit? Or are we just dead? Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
The Eristic Dust 90210 625	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:54:00 - [19] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hmm interesting, any ideas for a counter in a shield suit? Or are we just dead? You've been around, man, you know the deal. The Scrambler is the light weapon counter to shield suits, which is why the Caldari have the only "racial" rifle that outranges it. If you're gonna run a true shield tank, stay a long way out and chew 'em up with a Rail as they try to make their way to your position, or use your mobility to outflank them with a Combat Rifle. If they're an Amarr Assault or Commando, most will be heavy on armor and very slow, which will give you a chance to skirt around cover. For god's sake, don't just stand there and try to go head-to-head like most of the people that run around in shield suits. A stationary target is a Scrambler's best friend. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4643	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:55:00 - [20] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hmm interesting, any ideas for a counter in a shield suit? Or are we just dead? If you are using a shield suit and you run into a scrambler, your best counter is the ability to run away faster...unless they're a scout, at which point you can just hope that your HP is enough. I die quite often in a shield suit going up against a scrambler. If I can avoid the fight I will, but the scrambler is literally supposed to be the hard counter for stacked shields. Especially caldari sentinels 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!

CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek 65	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:11:00 - [21] - Quote So .... The scrambler rifle is OP. The combat rifle is OP. The rail rifle is OP... Clearly the way to fix this (using Dust logic) is to nerf the mass driver.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1822	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:11:00 - [22] - Quote I was just wondering if perhaps you had thought of a clever counter I haven't yet. You are correct that the best thing a shield suit can do is run, and even at range with my RR its hard to fight a scr. Honestly there are so many weapons that are good against shields I find it a little excessive to have a powerful long range anti shield weapon. Well I'll keep trying to find some means to fight an amarr suit. Just like to say, when a scout is running a scr running isn't an option, unless its heavily armor tanked. You have to kill them before they kill you, and against a scr it doesn't go well often. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 440	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:19:00 - [23] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Honestly there are so many weapons that are good against shields I find it a little excessive to have a powerful long range anti shield weapon. Nice dude. I was just saying this in another thread Saying what's on people's minds
Newbs With Bewbs xx The Fairies xx 39	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:32:00 - [24] - Quote At the end of the video you said "If you die to SCR you suck" So it must be UP? & "If I see someone using a SCR I go and get mine out" So you need a SCR to kill a SCR??? Your video is ** mate and above all people like you ** me off for not only been stupid but you wasted a slot in your teams game making a gash video while your team lost the game. Play the game you idiot. I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 905	Posted - 2014.08.21 09:14:00 - [25] - Quote First I would like to say that I am not writing this to insult you or belittle you. Please take this constructive criticism and advice to heart and use it to improve your future videos. -Please use units when announcing numbers. You can't expect people to know what you are talking about when you say "180". -Please structure each of your counter arguments in this manner: state the argument you are countering, state why the argument you are countering is wrong, provide supporting evidence, re-iterate why the argument is wrong. No, you did not always do this. -Stay on topic. You went from why scrambler rifles are not OP to why armor is not OP. -Do not insult the people you are arguing with; even if they are stupid. Insults are not a valid argument. -Your presentation is in video format, not a live presentation. This gives you the advantages of editing; abuse that advantage. +1 for your efforts though. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4647	Posted - 2014.08.21 09:17:00 - [26] - Quote Newbs With Bewbs wrote: Your video is ** mate and above all people like you me off for not only been stupid but you wasted a slot in your teams game making a gash video while your team lost the game. Play the game you idiot. Yes, cause I should have to wait for the perfect conditions before I record my video. -_- You obviously don't know me. I am the player at the top of the board every match. I always do better than everyone else and in a pub match, don't care about blueberries or not. If I wanted to win a pub match that badly I would get a good squad going...it's only in FW that I would never want someone to waste a slot on my team. At least you still get most of the rewards for losing a public match. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!**
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 585	Posted - 2014.08.21 10:51:00 - [27] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNTY7ASXq8 I'm tired of all you guys whining on the forums. I have SCR Prof 5 Amarr Assault 4...and can tell you right now that it is good in the right hands but is not OP just because you can die quickly by it. Yes it could use with an increase to dispersion. Yes, the RoF needs to be reduced SLIGHTLY (down to about 600 or so). But can we please at least understand why the RoF is so high? I demonstrate in this video how RPM means an average, and not just how fast you are firing at any one time. By decreasing it to such a low level as 400 or 500 you risk breaking the weapon from the inability for it to fire as smoothly as it does. The CR has this issue where if you press the button as fast as possible it fires very clunky, whereas if you time your button presses you can fire it almost automatically (please see this video for that explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAwF860swU) We don't want that to happen to the SCR, please understand that. __________________________________________________________________________________ The SCR has many counters: -Shotguns -Nova Knives -Plasma Cannons (Amarr suits move slow enough to get direct hits easily) -Rail Rifles (key here is outrange with an armor based suit) -RE's -Heavies with HMGs -Armor tanked suits -Fast strafing at distance -Profile dampeners + flanking (make sure you get the alpha...I like to use a sentinel with a burst HMG) If the player is an armor tanked suit with a SCR, use a scout and sneak around or use agility to outrun them/distract them If the player is a scout with a SCR, use a heavy or heavily armored suit. They will think twice about trying to kill you, often overheating before they realize you won't go down easily. Survive long enough to take the first amount of burst damage and you will kill them every time, or make sure you get the drop on them. It's THAT simple. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Make sure to leave your hate-filled comments about why I'm wrong below! :D shayz, interesting and informative video but have you considered those who use modded controllers to fire faster then humanly possible when they fire? i have come across a few of them.. the fire sound is different to the actual legitimate full auto scrambler yet sounds like its fireing even faster then the Full-auto ScR, i have also seen a youtube video with some one doing the same but with a duvolle's semi auto but since youtube just updated their damn page layout again my viewed history dosnt seem to go that far back.. as for the burst fire CR its a shame it does that slight lockup when fireing rapid concussive shots so i use the full auto variant instead. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 585	Posted - 2014.08.21 10:54:00 - [28] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Newbs With Bewbs wrote: Your video is ** mate and above all people like you me off for not only been stupid but you wasted a slot in your teams game making a gash video while your team lost the game. Play the game you idiot. Yes, cause I should have to wait for the perfect conditions before I record my video. -_- You obviously don't know me. I am the player at the top of the board every match. I always do better than everyone else and in a pub match, don't care about blueberries or not. If I wanted to win a pub match that badly I would get a good squad going...it's only in FW that I would never want someone to waste a slot on my team. At least you still get most of the rewards for losing a public match. fw losses seem very throttled in terms of LP gain and the fact you dotn get any progression for the ranks now. 1 loss for amarr gave only like 190 lp which was enough for maybe 2 advanced logi suits and 0 progression on ranks(which seems fair on the rank part) but i feel queue syncing is half the reason why fw is soo one sided usually [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah**
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 858	Posted - 2014.08.21 10:55:00 - [29] - Quote Scrambler Rifle is NOT OP. Tactical Scrambler on modded gamepad/mouse repeat macros - cheat. Sorry for bad English =) >>> Legion rdy! <<<
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 191	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:47:00 - [30] - Quote as a scr user i recently had to get a new controller, so due to this debate i got a turbo controller(not modded just has turbo function.) at close ranges i dropped heavys with my amarr assault like they were flys, however since the turbo was applied to r1 i could not charge my shots (requiring me to disable the turbo leaving a 3 second window of vulnerability) meaning at long range it hinders the gun and also due to being harder to regulate my fire i was overheating constantly.I also found myself burning through ammo and not taking my time to aim down sights (probably cause of it feeling like an ascr). the maxinum rof i could achieve was 26 bullets before overheat with 80+damage(damage mods) x 26 = 2080+ total damage per volley which is enough to kill any suitin under 3s assuming I have perfect aim (I don't use aim assist it slows strafe speed.) So yes something needs to be done about mod controllers, but i don't want scr nerfed cause as it is, it is balanced with trade offs. sorry to all i used it on "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"



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