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DontChimpOut
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained What you consider balanced is a tank raking in 50 kills a match without breaking a sweat 
What you consider balanced is knives doing damage to a tank.
We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1979
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:28:00 -
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MattTheRipper One wrote:We need proto HAV's back or the removal of advanced & proto AV.
As a tanker and AV player I know what im talking about as I have fully spec in swarm launchers & forge guns, I can destroy most tanks with 3 - 4 shots from my forge gun & take out Dropships within 10 - 20 seconds with proto swarm launchers.
With my proto swarm launcher I cam lock on and fire twice before HAV or Dropship can react.
HAV's & Dropships are too easy to destroy and are not worth ISK in my opinion.
P.S some must be done soon!
Yes, something should be done... Reduce the Price of AV and match it with Vehicles |
NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1979
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:31:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained
I'd like to see Surya and Sagaris back again...
And the Blaster turret Crosshair needs to be fixed...
Leave AV the Way it is and bring back Surya and Sagaris with old Stats and All Active Modules to See whats what... |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11816
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:35:00 -
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DontChimpOut wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained What you consider balanced is a tank raking in 50 kills a match without breaking a sweat What you consider balanced is knives doing damage to a tank.
Ha
Haha
Hahahahahaahahahahaha
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11816
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:36:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained I'd like to see Surya and Sagaris back again... And the Blaster turret Crosshair needs to be fixed... Leave AV the Way it is and bring back Surya and Sagaris with old Stats and All Active Modules to See whats what...
Except AV got massive nerfs in 1.7, so they would be more powerful than they used to be.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3884
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:40:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained What you consider balanced is a tank raking in 50 kills a match without breaking a sweat
If i break 50kills as infantry its classed as fine and im good, if i do it in a vehicle im classed as a scrub and bad
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3884
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:41:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:MattTheRipper One wrote:We need proto HAV's back or the removal of advanced & proto AV.
As a tanker and AV player I know what im talking about as I have fully spec in swarm launchers & forge guns, I can destroy most tanks with 3 - 4 shots from my forge gun & take out Dropships within 10 - 20 seconds with proto swarm launchers.
With my proto swarm launcher I cam lock on and fire twice before HAV or Dropship can react.
HAV's & Dropships are too easy to destroy and are not worth ISK in my opinion.
P.S some must be done soon! Yes, something should be done... Reduce the Price of AV and match it with Vehicles
lol
250k AV fit is more expensive than 400-500k ADS/HAV |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2253
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:42:00 -
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You'd have to undo ALL of the AV nerfs if the surya and sagaris came back. Most notably the fire delay on the forge guns and buffing the damage to swarms.
Then you have to buff heavy damage mods back to 10%.
Surya and sagaris were the most cataclysmically powerful units in beta. AV today couldn't even pray to compete. Even in teams. |
Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
2334
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:57:00 -
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I kill a lot of tanks with my PLC/Lai dai combo. Not due AV power or my skills, but usually because the tanker is careless and allows me to do so.
Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11817
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:11:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained What you consider balanced is a tank raking in 50 kills a match without breaking a sweat If i break 50kills as infantry its classed as fine and im good, if i do it in a vehicle im classed as a scrub and bad lol
I don't know any infantry that consistently match after match get 50 kills without breaking a sweat
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1366
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:18:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:If you can lock on and fire twice before they react they are bad. Considering you can basically fire all 3 volleys in less than 4seconds its quite easy to do Espc if they are behind you, by time 1st hits the 2nd is in the air and the 3rd is about to be launched or you get the invisible missiles
Last I checked the only person who thinks you are a good tanker is you. Maybe Spkr, but then again, he wouldn't know a good tanker when he gets blown up by one, because he is too busy screaming about AV being OP.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
GBN: Prof 5 FG, HMG, SMG, AR, LR Prof 4 ScR RR, SR
Proto Logi, Heavy, Assault.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
413
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:19:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:NAV HIV wrote:MattTheRipper One wrote:We need proto HAV's back or the removal of advanced & proto AV.
As a tanker and AV player I know what im talking about as I have fully spec in swarm launchers & forge guns, I can destroy most tanks with 3 - 4 shots from my forge gun & take out Dropships within 10 - 20 seconds with proto swarm launchers.
With my proto swarm launcher I cam lock on and fire twice before HAV or Dropship can react.
HAV's & Dropships are too easy to destroy and are not worth ISK in my opinion.
P.S some must be done soon! Yes, something should be done... Reduce the Price of AV and match it with Vehicles lol 250k AV fit is more expensive than 400-500k ADS/HAV
Who's gonna die more? The tanker or the AVer? AV is more expensive for that single reason. |
GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1366
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:24:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
Who's gonna die more? The tanker or the AVer? AV is more expensive for that single reason.
Fatsuit, repping hives, and a FG.
Immortal fatty, killer of anything within 300m.
But tanks are easy mode apparently.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
GBN: Prof 5 FG, HMG, SMG, AR, LR Prof 4 ScR RR, SR
Proto Logi, Heavy, Assault.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3885
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:43:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:If you can lock on and fire twice before they react they are bad. Considering you can basically fire all 3 volleys in less than 4seconds its quite easy to do Espc if they are behind you, by time 1st hits the 2nd is in the air and the 3rd is about to be launched or you get the invisible missiles Last I checked the only person who thinks you are a good tanker is you. Maybe Spkr, but then again, he wouldn't know a good tanker when he gets blown up by one, because he is too busy screaming about AV being OP.
Doesnt counter point because its true
Last i checked i generally kicked arse in PC with a tank |
GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1369
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Doesnt counter point because its true
Last i checked i generally kicked arse in PC with a tank
I don't counter your points because you are like Atiim, only worse because people mistake you for a real tanker.
Last time I saw you in a PC was on Spine Crescent, where you hung out on your deployment hill with a rail and went 1/3 while you tam got crushed.
That was back when there were still some decent tankers around, so you may be doing fine now, but you were always a third tier pubstar, and nothing more. Glad that the game finally got dumbed down to your level though, good for you.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
GBN: Prof 5 FG, HMG, SMG, AR, LR Prof 4 ScR RR, SR
Proto Logi, Heavy, Assault.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3885
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:33:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Doesnt counter point because its true
Last i checked i generally kicked arse in PC with a tank
I don't counter your points because you are like Atiim, only worse because people mistake you for a real tanker. Last time I saw you in a PC was on Spine Crescent, where you hung out on your deployment hill with a rail and went 1/3 while you tam got crushed. That was back when there were still some decent tankers around, so you may be doing fine now, but you were always a third tier pubstar, and nothing more. Glad that the game finally got dumbed down to your level though, good for you.
lol
Game dumbed down to your level you mean
1.0 tanks beats what we got now, also when i PC tanked i rarely used a rail didnt like it prefered a blaster with a heat sink, it maybe rail now but its got dumbed down that much vehicles are generally worthless in PC and its a gunlogi not with shield but with armor plates and double damage mods with a nitro and who sees who 1st , bit like cod
We had more choice, more hulls, more skills, more skills, more bonuses, more turrets, more mods
Chrome was best days with sag and surya
Keep tryharding tho on a dead game, maybe someone will remember you
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1053
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:59:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained What you consider balanced is a tank raking in 50 kills a match without breaking a sweat If i break 50kills as infantry its classed as fine and im good, if i do it in a vehicle im classed as a scrub and bad lol
No, it comes down to averages, if ALL infantry average a 50:1 KDR then that is a problem, ditto tanks. A fit whose main purpose is slaying should average around 1:1 KDR. In 1.7 tanks probably averaged over 5, and maybe even 10:1. Now they are probably around 2.5:1, which seems acceptable. Can you name any fit that averages better? It certainly isn't infantry AV.
Because, that's why.
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Shooter Somewhere
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:50:00 -
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MattTheRipper One wrote:We need proto HAV's back or the removal of advanced & proto AV.
As a tanker and AV player I know what im talking about as I have fully spec in swarm launchers & forge guns, I can destroy most tanks with 3 - 4 shots from my forge gun & take out Dropships within 10 - 20 seconds with proto swarm launchers.
With my proto swarm launcher I cam lock on and fire twice before HAV or Dropship can react.
HAV's & Dropships are too easy to destroy and are not worth ISK in my opinion.
P.S some must be done soon!
Don't waste your time man I have come to realize CCP has purposely been giving these noobs countless handicaps against tank support because they want easy mode and lovely proto stomping. They don't want to spec into HAV operatin level 1 or vehicle shield/ armor upgrades level 3 at lears because they want to put rail rifle and combat rifle prof 5. They want proto clacks and all the proto assaults/scouts but be damned if they were forced to have to spec into a role such as a tank. The most supportive role the game has to offer. ARGUEABLY aside from logi then again a lodi cant save you from 50 dudes with HMG
HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12986
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:52:00 -
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MattTheRipper One wrote:We need proto HAV's back or the removal of advanced & proto AV.
As a tanker and AV player I know what im talking about as I have fully spec in swarm launchers & forge guns, I can destroy most tanks with 3 - 4 shots from my forge gun & take out Dropships within 10 - 20 seconds with proto swarm launchers.
With my proto swarm launcher I cam lock on and fire twice before HAV or Dropship can react.
HAV's & Dropships are too easy to destroy and are not worth ISK in my opinion.
P.S some must be done soon!
3-4 shots sounds fair to me.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1999
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Posted - 2014.08.21 18:41:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
Who's gonna die more? The tanker or the AVer? AV is more expensive for that single reason.
Fatsuit, repping hives, and a FG. Immortal fatty, killer of anything within 300m. But tanks are easy mode apparently.
I would love to fit a Repping Hive on my Fat suit... Still Have a lot of PG and CPU left... Any suggestions ?! |
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1999
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Posted - 2014.08.21 18:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Except vehicles are balanced with proto AV in mind.
Soooo... They were in chrome when we had a slot layout of 5/2 for the tank or 5/3 for the mararuders and better CPU/PG and also more variety of mods Infantry like you still complained I'd like to see Surya and Sagaris back again... And the Blaster turret Crosshair needs to be fixed... Leave AV the Way it is and bring back Surya and Sagaris with old Stats and All Active Modules to See whats what... Except AV got massive nerfs in 1.7, so they would be more powerful than they used to be.
Reason why i said "Leave AV the way it is and wait till they introduce tanks like Surya's and Sagaris again" .... Read please |
Mudvayne-3324
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.08.21 18:48:00 -
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The AV is fine. If you decide to be a noob and sit there taking forge rounds, you deserve to die. Anyone with common sense knows to run from AV and flank them or keep moving, firing off shots. Most of my tank kills is because idiots sit still thinking they are unkillable and I just run up spamming Lai Dai nades at them with forge rounds.
For the love of god, quit touching AV and vehicles. They are fine. Obviously, someone who is skilled with such weapons/vehicles can make it seem like they are OP. They aren't, it's called skill.
> Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done.
-Linus Torvalds
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
381
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:16:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Oh no an AV gunner can smash my tank! Not fair!
Suck it up cupcake, the forge gun I used to smash 6 tanks between you and your dumb buddy yesterday costs more than the hulls of your Somas.
Nevermind dropping your tanks when you know you are in my field of fire.
And heres why im successful at killing tanks. When they run I chase them down by any means necessary.
Have forge gun. Will steal blue LAV.
I spent to long in BoB and EXE so I don't like many goons, but you..... you I like.
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