Iv stopped running logi because more killing power is needed on the field most of the time.

I find myself being one of the few players per match who are actively trying to make a difference. Blues 9/10 times seem to be more concerned with saving their own skin than actually playing as a team and making a difference.

I also get very aggravated when they are literally all over the map. I don't mind the guys who are clearly exploring because they are new though.

One thing vets do that I hate is when they put uplinks up high in a match full of newbs. You end up with their whole team up high doing nothing until they are orbital striked or they trickle in 1 or 2 at a time vs 8+ and get farmed.

Totally agree my logi gets a lot of rest during some matches now, being a logi is lame. Even lamer when your some heavy's b!tch on a leash. Now I run commando and scouts at least half the round

But I'm totally guilty of putting uplinks all over the map ( strategically tho I think ) better farmed " free range " than in the redzone. At least I think.

Iv stopped running logi because more killing power is needed on the field most of the time.

I find myself being one of the few players per match who are actively trying to make a difference. Blues 9/10 times seem to be more concerned with saving their own skin than actually playing as a team and making a difference.

I also get very aggravated when they are literally all over the map. I don't mind the guys who are clearly exploring because they are new though.

One thing vets do that I hate is when they put uplinks up high in a match full of newbs. You end up with their whole team up high doing nothing until they are orbital striked or they trickle in 1 or 2 at a time vs 8+ and get farmed.

Totally agree my logi gets a lot of rest during some matches now, being a logi is lame. Even lamer when your some heavy's b!tch on a leash. Now I run commando and scouts at least half the round

But I'm totally guilty of putting uplinks all over the map ( strategically tho I think ) better farmed " free range " than in the redzone. At least I think.

I actually do the exact opposite and here's why I feed the enemy team with uplinks poorly place so that one beautiful day comes. They either get tired of spawning in front of heavies and run their own tactical links!

Or I run logi dot the map go back to the redline and get a forge gun. Most of the time a solo artist without squad backup can slow down the onslaught of vehicle spam that happens once all the new guys decide I need to rally in the redline. Help us CCP you're our only hope

We have all heard complaints from corps and squads about random blues being useless and not wanting to help. They are looked down upon for lack of skill/stupidity. In general they really don't care about you or trying to win.

Now let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. Do you really give a rat's ass about blueberries? You never ever ever let them in your vehicles (this one is kind of understandable), many of you who run in squads will never revive someone who is not in your squad. I have been on alts and died next to a logi repping his squadmate sentinel while there was no hostiles anywhere near and rather than stopping for 2 seconds to revive me they will sit there repping the already full hp heavy as he stands there. I have also died with a bunch of people and they will revive everyone who died right around me because they are in a squad and literally leave me there......this one happens A LOT. I have even seen people say here on forums that they have the mindset that everyone outside their squad is garbage and they don't expect anything from them. Yet these are the same people who complain that they lost because of idiot blue's. If your not going give them any credit for a win then you can't give them ALL the credit for every loss.

All i'm saying is that if you want blue to give a damn you have to give a damn too. Maybe revive or cover them every once in a while. It's like we abuse them and ask for their help at the same time and wonder why they only play for themselves. They might not be in your squad but they are still on your team.

Nah, I've got me and my beer. F the leet tryhards that are the real ruin of this game.

Case in point, read the snooty, selfish posts above. I can't believe their are people that actuqlly worry that much about doing stuff in this game. The youtube videos they make are laughably pathetic.

You are my least favorite poster that I can remember for at least a year.

I'm not even very good, but I like to win. If you don't like to win, why play a game? I mean that honestly. Did you develop this attitude because you suck and you feel better by belittling others that don't? It doesn't make sense in any way shape or form that people utilizing the tools within the game to maximize their potential is a bad thing.

If you don't like the way the game has been developed then take that up with CCP, but don't act like everyone is supposed to suck just because you do.

We have all heard complaints from corps and squads about random blues being useless and not wanting to help. They are looked down upon for lack of skill/stupidity. In general they really don't care about you or trying to win.

Now let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. Do you really give a rat's ass about blueberries?

...many of you who run in squads will never revive someone who is not in your squad. I have been on alts and died next to a logi repping his squadmate sentinel while there was no hostiles anywhere near and rather than stopping for 2 seconds to revive me they will sit there repping the already full hp heavy as he stands there. I have also died with a bunch of people and they will revive everyone who died right around me because they are in a squad and literally leave me there......this one happens A LOT.

I have even seen people say here on forums that they have the mindset that everyone outside their squad is garbage and they don't expect anything from them. Yet these are the same people who complain that they lost because of idiot blue's. If your not going give them any credit for a win then you can't give them ALL the credit for every loss.

All i'm saying is that if you want blue to give a damn you have to give a damn too. Maybe revive or cover them every once in a while. It's like we abuse them and ask for their help at the same time and wonder why they only play for themselves. They might not be in your squad but they are still on your team.

We have all heard complaints from corps and squads about random blues being useless and not wanting to help. They are looked down upon for lack of skill/stupidity. In general they really don't care about you or trying to win.

Now let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. Do you really give a rat's ass about blueberries? You never ever ever let them in your vehicles (this one is kind of understandable), many of you who run in squads will never revive someone who is not in your squad. I have been on alts and died next to a logi repping his squadmate sentinel while there was no hostiles anywhere near and rather than stopping for 2 seconds to revive me they will sit there repping the already full hp heavy as he stands there. I have also died with a bunch of people and they will revive everyone who died right around me because they are in a squad and literally leave me there......this one happens A LOT. I have even seen people say here on forums that they have the mindset that everyone outside their squad is garbage and they don't expect anything from them. Yet these are the same people who complain that they lost because of idiot blue's. If your not going give them any credit for a win then you can't give them ALL the credit for every loss.

All i'm saying is that if you want blue to give a damn you have to give a damn too. Maybe revive or cover them every once in a while. It's like we abuse them and ask for their help at the same time and wonder why they only play for themselves. They might not be in your squad but they are still on your team.

Where in my post did you pick that up? All i said was don't treat solo players like crap all the time and maybe they will surprise you by putting in some work. Some of them do suck and don't deserve help but in the situations i mentioned above you literally have to go out of your way not to help them. And i do make it a point to argue a lot of your posts because i don't agree with your elitist attitude towards the game in general.

We have all heard complaints from corps and squads about random blues being useless and not wanting to help. They are looked down upon for lack of skill/stupidity. In general they really don't care about you or trying to win.

Now let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. Do you really give a rat's ass about blueberries? You never ever ever let them in your vehicles (this one is kind of understandable), many of you who run in squads will never revive someone who is not in your squad. I have been on alts and died next to a logi repping his squadmate sentinel while there was no hostiles anywhere near and rather than stopping for 2 seconds to revive me they will sit there repping the already full hp heavy as he stands there. I have also died with a bunch of people and they will revive everyone who died right around me because they are in a squad and literally leave me there......this one happens A LOT. I have even seen people say here on forums that they have the mindset that everyone outside their squad is garbage and they don't expect anything from them. Yet these are the same people who complain that they lost because of idiot blue's. If your not going give them any credit for a win then you can't give them ALL the credit for every loss.

All i'm saying is that if you want blue to give a damn you have to give a damn too. Maybe revive or cover them every once in a while. It's like we abuse them and ask for their help at the same time and wonder why they only play for themselves. They might not be in your squad but they are still on your team.

We have all heard complaints from corps and squads about random blues being useless and not wanting to help. They are looked down upon for lack of skill/stupidity. In general they really don't care about you or trying to win.

Now let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. Do you really give a rat's ass about blueberries? You never ever ever let them in your vehicles (this one is kind of understandable), many of you who run in squads will never revive someone who is not in your squad. I have been on alts and died next to a logi repping his squadmate sentinel while there was no hostiles anywhere near and rather than stopping for 2 seconds to revive me they will sit there repping the already full hp heavy as he stands there. I have also died with a bunch of people and they will revive everyone who died right around me because they are in a squad and literally leave me there......this one happens A LOT. I have even seen people say here on forums that they have the mindset that everyone outside their squad is garbage and they don't expect anything from them. Yet these are the same people who complain that they lost because of idiot blue's. If your not going give them any credit for a win then you can't give them ALL the credit for every loss.

All i'm saying is that if you want blue to give a damn you have to give a damn too. Maybe revive or cover them every once in a while. It's like we abuse them and ask for their help at the same time and wonder why they only play for themselves. They might not be in your squad but they are still on your team.

GREAT TOPIC for posting.
I know, it seems so obvious a situation, but it's still great to revisit and debate it more.

Beastlina, I like your POV and opinion. But the population is a LOT more varied than you might think, and their reasons are worthy of some understanding too.

Please go easy on us:

Many of us are advanced players who, in addition to learning and progressing for ourselves, spent a LOT of time and frustration shopping for our Squads (you really DO have to SHOP). Some of these Squads are composed of players who it took a long time to locate, schedule with and rely on in order to erase the months of frustration trying to excel in the matches on one's own.
Taking on a novice or focusing on helping one, when he/she may only unintentionally slow you or cause another squad member to mouth on you for "stopping to help a noob" is going to be RARE.
I, Celest Aungm, would stop for you, or cover you, or support you any time... but the ironic revelation is that I'm not much a Squad-er, and the dozens of players like myself are the ones who WILL tend to support Newberrys, maybe because we AREN'T dedicated to squading so much and don't have so much to lose by reaching out to you. But to hope for reliable help from Squads in the match,... Beastlina, don't hope. Lots of them do care, but... it's hard to help and teach, AND still win the next objective.. It's just too hard.

Other squads are formed of even more militaristic mindsets---they are vets who settled in from other FPS games, and they take pride in being Delta-Force biased against "inadequate" players. "Inadequate" means even players like me, who may be good at playing the game, but are too-mellow-too-charitable-too-casual to be part of their serious gameplay.
This kind of mindset comes in squad-version or lone wolf-version, it's quite appropriate for the racial/ lore and war-mongering of the New Eden player environment, and is VERY useful for annihilating the enemy in Dust matches. But I just stay out of their way, and I try not to look to them to help me out of any jams. If they won't stop to help an advanced player, they surely won't stop to assist a novice---and they don't want EITHER of us trying to hitch up with them. Those guys are a HeartAttack (...glad to have them only when they're on MY side).

What you have left on the map are the charitable but the very weak (other novice players who get sqoushed every time they try to help revive others or walk as your wingman and eventually unknowingly shoot at someone who responds by killing you both), the very unaware (novices who man our turrets, shoot at the MCC, and don't realize how HARD the return trip is to restock your ammo), and of course the players like myself, who are enthusiastic about the challenge of helping ANY novices we come across (we've built our fortunes, the pressure's off, and we're now just having fun in the game).

We're logi, and artificers, so we're good at spotting you Newberrys. As you can tell in some of the above posts, we WANT to help you guys out. But (no insult to Newberrys) it IS very hard to do. There's a vehicle loss-cost and gear-cost attached to it, that we can somewhat absorb with our wealth, but not repeatedly every match. I look down on some disasterous battles from my DS now and then, and I say, I want to go down and rescue some of those players over there, but this is my last extra vehicle for the night--I'm all out... and they likely won't climb in, now that I'm trying to pick them up.

I know that sounds condescending and cruel... I don't mean to sound mean.
The game was meant to be played with lots of MIC work and constant talk to direct and alert and assist each other. That just didn't catch on with a lot of players, and there's no easy way to reliably help needy Newberrys without voice-communications, once the fighting starts.


I wrote a lot here that Vets and Newberrys may disgree with.

I always pick up blueberries... but maybe that's just me knowing how frustrating it is to not be picked up.

When my squad gets 2000+ WP each and we can't take the objective from a whole team of reds... I think I'm allowed to blame the blueberries.

I don't let blues in my vehicles when I'm playing with a squad because they have no idea what to do and take a space for a squad member. Have had a few die because of that.

I don't revive blues because they often die in the open and in front of a heavy or something. I'd like to help, but the ones worth helping are few. Most are stupid, I will not risk my suit to reward their stupidity, they will never learn.

That or I take an entire objective myself, hack it, 4-5 blueberries are there guarding it, then all of a sudden the objective was taken... what the hell happened?

This is nearly every match...

somebody probable said the same thing about you once...

Well that one is easy. Just like you came and took the objective from the enemy redberries yourself, someone on the enemy team came and took it from your blueberries by themselves. If blue dots could defend better the enemy's blue dots would probably have not let you take the point by yourself either.