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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:24:00 -
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Who can see that ScRs are OP? People ***** and whine about CRs and RRs all day, but I've never been three shotted by a CR before. I hear you say it takes skill to use. Bull. Just spam the R1 trigger until the enemy is dead. It does so much damage you don't have to worry about overheating before they die.
Just the other day, I ran up behind a PRO Amarr Assault while I was in my STD Minmatar heavy frame. I shot him full on in the back with my HMG, about 10m. He didn't even try to strafe, he simply turned around and quadruple shotted me. He still had half armor when I died. My ~1000 eHP gone in about one second.
When I use this thing, I can one shot half of the enemies I encounter. Another quarter of them can be finished off with one or two non charged shots. The last quarter are heavies, and all you need to do then is double charge shot them from a distance.
The only thing that annoys more than the fact this thing is so powerful, is the fact that people still argue that it isn't.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:16:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Would you share with us the ~1000eHP fit in question?
I assume you want shields/armor. 543/462.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:19:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:So your mad your standard heavy didn't insta gib an assault Ak.0
Are you trying to suggest that a STD suit that gets the drop on a PRO suit STILL shouldn't be able to beat them, even if the weapon held by the STD is a CQC weapon, and the weapon held by the PRO is a long range weapon, when the two are separated by about 10m?
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:24:00 -
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rithu wrote:So...u want your little heavy to kill a proto medium suit without effort ?
Logi Bro wrote:Are you trying to suggest that a STD suit that gets the drop on a PRO suit STILL shouldn't be able to beat them, even if the weapon held by the STD is a CQC weapon, and the weapon held by the PRO is a long range weapon, when the two are separated by about 10m?
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:48:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:So your mad your standard heavy didn't insta gib an assault Ak.0 Are you trying to suggest that a STD suit that gets the drop on a PRO suit STILL shouldn't be able to beat them, even if the weapon held by the STD is a CQC weapon, and the weapon held by the PRO is a long range weapon, when the two are separated by about 10m? No, I've done it plenty of times but what I am saying is that you shouldn't be surprised that you lost to an 1000+ armor buffer like most Ak.0's fit. And to say you shouldn't die to a long range weapon in cqc is kinda stupid when you have a large hit box 10m close. No amount of strafing would of saved you.
What I am getting from your post is that you think everything is perfectly balanced if PRO suits can win in just about any scenario against STD gear. I wonder why our NPE is so bad.
And, in the end, you miss the point of my post. That was just one scenario that popped out in my memory. The point is that the ScR is over-the-top. High damage, high RoF, tight hip-fire dispersion, great range. ONE of those things needs removal, preferably the hipfire.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:50:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Would you share with us the ~1000eHP fit in question? I assume you want shields/armor. 543/462. Alright. That was pretty much what I was expecting. With math, I can conclude that the PRO Am assault shot you at least 3 times in the head, with one of those three shots being the charged shot. Whether or not the 4th shot was in the head is unknown, but considering that the other three were, it is very likely. Keep in mind, that if those shots were not in the head, you would have been very likely to win.
I'm curious to know, are you considering proficiency/damage mods?
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:36:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: No I don't, but it's pretty obvious it's the way that it is. But sure go ahead and take away the tight hip fire it'll make it all the better in cqc.
Yes, because when you fire ten shots while hipfiring and only 2 hit because the dispersion cone is so wide, you do so much better.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:11:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote: No I don't, but it's pretty obvious it's the way that it is. But sure go ahead and take away the tight hip fire it'll make it all the better in cqc.
Yes, because when you fire ten shots while hipfiring and only 2 hit because the dispersion cone is so wide, you do so much better. The hmg seems to do just fine :D
The HMG dispersion cone take up about 5% of the screen. I'd say the ScR's should take up more like 25%. Test that out and tell me how well you do.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3242
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:17:00 -
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After reading through the rest of these posts, I'd like to point out that every person defending the ScR has an Amarr profile picture. So you're an Amarr FW player and you think your weapon is just fine? That sounds fine, "bias" isn't in my dictionary anyways.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3265
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:11:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Logi Bro wrote:After reading through the rest of these posts, I'd like to point out that every person defending the ScR has an Amarr profile picture. So you're an Amarr FW player and you think your weapon is just fine? That sounds fine, "bias" isn't in my dictionary anyways. And the people arguing against it have....? I fail to see any point in the " My suit has more duct tape and insect droppings on it; Your argument is invalid" statement. I don't really even use ScR's anymore, I use CR's because of their pathetically low fitting costs, which people also conveniently ignore. Joel II X wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:So... Someone actually survived a volley from your normally instakill burst HMG and managed to pull off sequential headshots with a semi-auto proto weapon and killed you.
Don't see a problem. There aren't any STD burst HMGs. You are confusing me with someone else, I never made any such statement about the HMG. Also, I'm not guessing here. When I have fought Logi bro recently he is typically using a STD Minmatar sentinel with an ADV burst HMG. (He also said as much in this thread)
I don't recall ever stating any form of FW support besides the usual Winmatar trollolol comments. The ScR supporters are, on the other hand, Amarr roleplayers. So yeah, bias. (And yes, the CR is, in its own way, OP, but that's a topic for a different thread)
Also, I was using a STD HMG, never stated I was using ADV. But you are still missing the point of my post. Just one scenario in a hundred is what I referenced, made memorable by the fact that an ScR out-DPSed an HMG at close range.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3265
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:21:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:So your mad your standard heavy didn't insta gib an assault Ak.0 Are you trying to suggest that a STD suit that gets the drop on a PRO suit STILL shouldn't be able to beat them, even if the weapon held by the STD is a CQC weapon, and the weapon held by the PRO is a long range weapon, when the two are separated by about 10m? yes because thats a clear lack of talent and skill on your part if you can't shoot a armor assault suit in the back with a HMG. and for all the people complaing about the scrambler rifle most of you are standing still makeing it very easy to land headshots. if a suit or gun is OP it would be spamed in PC battles but its not. but yes a scrambler rifle will fell OP against a low HP bad player who does not move much in a gunfight. so don't nerf the scrambler buff bad unskilled players.
I will admit that I am no 1337 hax0r professional, but I seeing as I use Minmatar logistics and sentinels (high movement speeds, in case you couldn't figure that out) I am no stranger to strafing.
You see, good sir, bad players have already been buffed. It's called Aim Assistance, ever heard of it? As it just so happens, when a weapon has laser hipfire accuracy and is helped by AA, it turns out a tad bit OP. On a brick tanked suit, it just so happens they would be able to spin and insta-win with a few auto-aimed shots in my general direction, despite the prowess of the HMG in CQC.
So, chap, would you kindly take your ignorant ****-ery elsewhere? Much appreciated.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3265
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:36:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Just the other day, I ran up behind a PRO Amarr Assault while I was in my STD Minmatar heavy frame. I shot him full on in the back with my HMG, about 10m. He didn't even try to strafe, he simply turned around and quadruple shotted me. He still had half armor when I died. My ~1000 eHP gone in about one second. Combat rifle will do the same DPS, in fact better because of the smaller damage penalty. Your problem was you were in a STD dropsuit and the Minmatar laser resistance is to ARMOR, so if you're not in your best suit stacking the best armor you can get on it, don't expect to feel a huge difference. It's the same reason my STD Amarr Heavy gets torn up by PRO HMGs.
The laser resistance is to shields, but that's a moot point since I was using a Minmatar heavy frame, not the sentinel.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3265
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:51:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote: You seem to complain an awful lot with nothing to back it up other than "oh noes it's OP." or "the DPS (which I haven't actually analyzed) is crazy, bro!" If it's so amazing, why do so few people use it? Why don't YOU use it?
Seriously, nothing has changed substantially with the ScR in over a year. In fact, with the shield/armor imbalance and the change to proficiency, it's arguably been nerfed. I don't even use the damn thing and this is all just so ridiculous I can't help but be baffled at it.
Answer me the following questions:
- How have the masses not figured out its OP by now? - Why is it statistically the least used of all the main racial rifles? - Why didn't Nyain San spam it mercilessly? - Why don't you see entire squads running them in every battle (like with the old TAR)? - Why is it not the dominant weapon in PC? (CR is, last I checked) - Why has CCP left this, of all weapons, totally alone all this time while nerfing the flaylock, TAR, beta Viziam LR, all into oblivion at some point?
Well first of all, you're right, it hasn't changed substantially for over a year, because of people like you who refuse to admit they are over the top.
Your questions: -The masses did figure it out, then stopped bothering making posts when the crutch wielders beat them down by repeatedly saying it was ok and spamming threads with useless comments. (a lot like what's happening now in this thread, looking at you Nocturnal) Answer me this: what do you think of the skill multipliers for Electronics and Engineering? It's a core skill, and there was a HUGE uproar on jacking up the SP costs. It's still a steaming pile bull that they did that, nothing has changed, but why do people no longer complain? Because a few defended the SP increase and CCP outright ignored any sort of negative feedback on the change. People gave up because there was no chance in hell of it getting changed. The same can be said for AA, which still has a large amount of bullet magnetism, and people cried like hell when it was first introduced, but now they've given up, no chance of it getting changed.
-Please tell me where you get that information from, because "statistically" when I play my matches, I see more ScRs than the other rifles.
-I hope that question was a joke, if serious, please refer to the guy who made an entire sarcastic post dedicated to that sentence.
-I do, actually. Next question.
-CR is statistically the best choice in a PC match due to versatility. Low fitting costs mean you can equip uplinks with high fitting costs, to spam as many anchor points as possible. Best damage profile makes it a good weapon against both armor and shields. I never said the CR wasn't OP, I said the ScR was.
-Did I mention the part where the users of the ScRs beat down the complaints with trollolololing?
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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