Respect for having the skills to snipe in CQC. But I still don't like the new reticle.

Not gonna lie some of those shots are pretty impressive. Guessing your using a keyboard and mouse though?

How many damage mods do u use because i just didnt seem to do enough with the same rifle. Also do you even aim assist bro(its a YouTube video )... because theres plenty of kills u shouldnt of got in there

Damn dude. Well done. No trash talk here. That is some damn good sniping lol.

Can't even fault your Sniper play here my friend, your really in the thick of it, on the ground with the rest of us.
Is so much more refreshing to see than your average sniper sat in a high eHP suit, in the most inaccessible location possible.

Good Job, though I don't Snipe all that much (so feel free not to count my opinion) I do rather like the new sight.

You know, this is the first vid that ever made me want to try sniping. I didn't realize the sniper rifle could be used in this fashion. Might have to skill into it on my heavy toon, I have a Cal Commando I might want to start trying this on.

Props, you got some nice kills there.

Good vid, but it's not quickscoping.

I have to agree with you Sax. Personally I don't like the new reticle, but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

I noticed that too but he is still shooting under pressure while being shot at and with a ps3 controller. You can see his suits eHP and from the look of his radar he looks to be in a scout suit. They probably could have killed him just as easily because of his low eHP so i don't think him killing milita suits with an advanced tac sniper rifle matters too much. The point is not even many full proto snipers could make shots like that on the field while being shot at.

How high is the sensitivity of your crosshairs?

Yes, this is the kind of sniping I really enjoy watching and am working on doing right now. Though I would have been more impressed without the AA handicap.

What suit were you using? Looked like a cal assault? I'm using a cal scout and a bolt pistol.

There is one serious flaw in your montage however, you are using a tactical variant. I absolutely agree that for the tactical the new scope is good, because the tactical is designed for short range engagements or long range pings. You pretty well highlight the issue for longer range sniping however. It takes a long time (In comparison to the old dot and even your current level of sniper play which is good) to line up long range headshots. You also spam ping on medium distance targets as is intended for the tactical variant often missing your first shot. I would challenge you to use a regular or charged variant (Which imo, favors the old Dot sight) and see if the results are the same as with your tactical.

I am of the opinion that the tactical variant should keep the new scope as its less about precision and more about pinging ASAP. The other variants do perform better under the old scope and suffer greatly. Your shots are impressive in how you have spliced it together, but it is a montage so as it is essentially a camera trick, it can't be relied on as objective proof.

One of the biggest complaints have been the innaccuracy of the circle at long distance on moving targets. One thing you do not do in this montage is exactly that. No one claimed hitting a stationary target at long distance was hard with the new scope. Most of the forum QQ I have seen on the subject was about long distance sniping of moving targets. This is of course also ignoring the fact that 90% of your victims were in militia fits while the few that weren't were either standing perfectly still sniping (hopefully not at you as it takes a while for you to hit them) or they were adv gallente mediums which are, with the exception of light variant gallente suits, the most vulnerable to SR fire (low shield high armor.)

Those are what we call "blueberries/noobs" (the ones in the MLT frontline/sniper fits). They are in no way hard to kill because they stand/sit still quite often, and typically only snipe one area, never checking their surroundings until they get shot.

Not to knock OP's sniping, which was great, but would have been more impressed to see kills against people that aren't stupid (scouts that literally never stop moving, high hp assaults, etc.).

That and you didn't use a lot of damage mods. Guess it's me because with my adv sniper, I put it on my assault with nothing but damage mods.

I like the scope, but can you guys at ccp leave the circle and put a dot in the center,?

You aren't sniping at all. Please tell me how most of these shots would not be outperformed by a Rail Rifle? Oh wait, you're inside RR range, so no. RR has much higher DPS at those ranges...

Every time you took an actual Sniper range shot, you slowed down and had to fidget with the reticule because you couldn't recognize where the center was without wobbling the scope around. You basically then admitted to the problem that other snipers are complaining about, while claiming that it doesn't affect you. Very poorly presented really.

lol, watch the video again, aside from it only being highlights of his best shots it shows quite a few missed shots that were on target and a few that were pretty far off that got a kill.

BTW, gg saxon, that was pretty close to Sleep Zan level of quick/close quarters sniping

Aiming slowly has nothing to do with finding the center. You were unable to do so without the numerical notice you bobbled Over the head several times very clearly. I have learned to identify such patterns because of the time I've used with a sniper. Imagine how it is on smaller screens where the readout is not legible? What do you use to headshot? Pure guesswork.

Just a few questions really, (haven't been able to watch the vid yet, will check it tomorrow)

You said you haven't sniped since beta.
How do you know if it's worse or not then?

You wanted to prove the snipers wrong about the sniping reticule by close range and counter sniping?
1st. Why bother if you don't like sniping and haven't done it for the last year are you so determined to try to prove us wrong?
2nd. Your video, although sounding impressive seems to show you doing the exact opposite sniping to what we are saying is a problem so unless your trying to show that sniping can be done close range then you appear to have gone off track, so do you feel that you have shown this new scope is :
Good to kill using headshots on moving targets 200+ m?
Good for killing heavies quickly using multiple headshots? (although most avoid this with the Sr, it's vital for squad support)
Good for taking into pc battles?

If you were trying to say that it should be left alone because you think it will take snipers away from high places/redline then:
Do you think you could out gun heavies with logibros at close range?
Would you now then say that with your new appreciation of sniper rifles as cqc weapons decide to use it instead of the others available constantly?
Would you take a proto sniper rifle into a pc match to use this way?
As this was a montage I assume it won't show eol results so what were your scores on these maps? And would you be willing to make a video of you doing a full round like this and keep the results screens too?

Lastly just because we like to snipe as a sniper, not a marksman does not mean we all want to red line snipe, and seriously I'm always posting about sniper's outlooks on the red line situation. Immediately jumping to the conclusion that because a player does not want the range nerfed on sniper rifles they must be red line players is not a neutral conclusion and reeks of bias.


Sorry if this seems like I'm being awkward, I know your a good player I've seen in game a few times now but If your trying to get this reticule to stay you should expect some unhappy players that do snipe and have been doing for at least the last year and we will be wanting proof that we are wrong about our way of sniping, not the way you say we should have to do it.

Did you do your homework?

That is to say.. It seems like you missed the multiple posts saying this new off the cuff change could easily be reverted back to the original variant if people were unhappy with it..

They offered.

This was a test.

An uncalled for, nobody asked for it, look what I can do, hey do you guys like this, test.

People aren't complaining about snipers.

Snipers are complaining about the reticle change.. like you initially said.

If you went as far as to snipe for the first time in a year and make a montage to prove the change is fine as is..

It stands to reason you'd know the details surrounding the issue.

I believe your time was wasted if you were trying to affirm the change was beneficial.

(in a very poor manner with quickscoping, point blank range, unconventional use of the weapon)

If anything it wasn't what anyone had asked for, and so feedback here is welcome.

That wasn't sniping.

Calling your bluff, you're just arguing the point to get more views for your video.

Hey Symbioticforks and saxonmish I personally what to know what's the closest you think snipers should shoot from range wise?
For me it should be about 170-max range because of the role it takes.

This is what my squad has been doing, new sniper reticle is good, aslong as the snipers now realise the dont have to camp, you can move now, your freeee!!!!

Nice shooting aswell saxon.

Holy crap. I'm going to replicate your exact fit in an attempt to emulate what you had done in the video.

Be back after I fail miserably.

Lol 16/3. 2 or 3 NK kills in there. Stupid ADS kept killing me if only you could snipe them out the cockpit. Adv gal scout, reactive plate, cardiac, kincat, kaal/knives, light/sidearm damage mod, hive, REs. Pretty fun. Was at 90 sensitivity trying 100 now.

Gonna hook up my old tv & try some white dotting tonight.

Nice video, Sax.

Anyone who's gone against you knows you have skills and it's not surprising to me to find out they extend to the much-hated sniper rifle.

I was rooting for you to melee that heavy. :)

Sorry sax@ video did not prove your point.

Beside that I would like to say what I did when I saw the new 'aim-cross' for the first time - if some want to have different aim-cross he should be allowed to do so in his game settings.

Close range only for a gun that's meant to be long range? Seriously, you don't think something is wrong with that?

What about a shotgun reticule that doesn't let you see targets closer than 15m? You can still use it to kill, but you can't let them get close or you can't target them anymore.



No.. Just because one USES a Sniper rifle does not mean it's magically "Sniping". If you can perform any of these tasks with a Rail Rifle, you are clearly not sniping.
Sniping by definition is shooting from an unnoticed location. In all of your shots you were clearly very noticed by the people you were shooting. That is called "Assaulting" not "Sniping".

I Highly doubt you could use the gun for what it was actually intended for, which is LONG RANGE engagements.

I already do that.

it's okay.. i consider infantry to be meat grinding cogs.

Assault sniper rifle not sniper rifle, i like the way you made the video, made the sniper look awesome.

Still hate the circle though, you got skill i'll give you that, you got my respect, do not want to fight you in a match.

Can you post the complete video of each much, i wanna take some pointers.

What suit you using, fast as a scout but like a medium suit on armor and shields, just curious.

Respect your talent, not the circle though.

I want my sniper rifle x forge gun!