Its crazy the extent we have to go to just to stay alive. dieing is not a problem for us but dieing and getting nothing accomplished is. People hound dropships in this game all the time. I have seen swarms spawn in and target an ADS while there Is a tank below them slaughtering their team mates.

Pythons are flimsy as crap sure this python had 3500 shield on it. At the cost of an afterburner. If the forge guns would have come into the came sooner I probable would have been shot down. I always say you will know a good pilot between how often he goes into orbit to get away from AV and how often he using the map to get away from them.

Not everyone is a 50/0 pilot but those that are have 30mil SP in them and months of practice. Nerfing it dosent hurt anyone but the lower tier drop ship pilots.

caldari vehicles are very hard to use and not often seen outside of rail tanking and even then scrubs prefer armor rail. This buff is needed and if you don't like it

HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SPECING INTO AV AND TRYING USEING VEHICLES?

Nothing kills dropships and tanks better then.... DROPSHIPS AND TANKS (outside of rams and jihads thx CCP)

So your common response can be used against you. Get good scrubs.

Its crazy the extent we have to go to just to stay alive. dieing is not a problem for us but dieing and getting nothing accomplished is. People hound dropships in this game all the time. I have seen swarms spawn in and target an ADS while there Is a tank below them slaughtering their team mates.

Pythons are flimsy as crap sure this python had 3500 shield on it. At the cost of an afterburner. If the forge guns would have come into the came sooner I probable would have been shot down. I always say you will know a good pilot between how often he goes into orbit to get away from AV and how often he using the map to get away from them.

Not everyone is a 50/0 pilot but those that are have 30mil SP in them and months of practice. Nerfing it dosent hurt anyone but the lower tier drop ship pilots.

caldari vehicles are very hard to use and not often seen outside of rail tanking and even then scrubs prefer armor rail. This buff is needed and if you don't like it

HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SPECING INTO AV AND TRYING USEING VEHICLES?

Nothing kills dropships and tanks better then.... DROPSHIPS AND TANKS (outside of rams and jihads thx CCP)

So your common response can be used against you. Get good scrubs.

I certainly think we need 4500EHP ADS roaming around................. with 3500 of that EHP regenerating at 224 Shield per second on a 4 second delay. ADS need to be buffed. They can be easily taken out

HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SPECING INTO AV AND TRYING USEING VEHICLES?

Nothing kills dropships and tanks better then.... DROPSHIPS AND TANKS (outside of rams and jihads thx CCP)

So your common response can be used against you. Get good scrubs.

Aiming on ADS needs to be easier. ADSing is a very hard job and to the people who can you deserve a round of applause. Why can't AV scrubs just accept the fact that ADS's are weak and need buffing?

This reminds of something Taki might say. Or was it Spkr? Whichever one it was, this doesn't bode well for your reputation.


What do you think goes through the mind of a Light Infantry unit when he finally gets fed up enough by your farming to pull out Swarms? Do you really think he wants to trade a near-guaranteed death for a +75 and 45 seconds of cleared airspace?

Let's assume he does.

He stalks you ... gets within his pathetic range ... shoots his three volleys ... begins to reload ... either they're weak and you rush him for an easy OHK, or they're strong and you run.

Let's assume you ran.

Hooray! Fully repped and back in action ... time lapsed: a whopping 30-45 seconds ... you can go back or you can farm somewhere else ... in the mean time, our swarmer's position has been broadcasted to every nearby hostile ... his AV fit is pretty much sh*t against infantry ... so he's dead ... with nothing accomplished. If he really tried hard, he just burned 150k or more Isk in exchange for +75.

what are you proposing? making the python easy mode for even those without skill or SP's?

i have a vehicle alt but i play alot of AV ( swarms, RE, AV grenades) on my main.

from my limited piloting of a ADS i can say i probably get something like 8-1 and the 1 is usually due to my newb flying. i never bothered trying to learn in a regular drop ship so yea its cost me more to get where i am than it should have ever done. saying that i have plenty of isk so meh it does not matter.

the problem with ADS is simple AB is the be all and end all of most peoples survival methods. get hit once....think about moving, twice move, 3rd time to go if you have not already. return when modals off cool down and repeat. unfortunatly this is the level of pilot i am and to be fair alot of pilots out there are not too much ahead of me. the good pilots use terrain instead of the AB and as a result can stay in combat alot longer. there are some amazing vids out there of some of them in action

the cool downs are way too short and the AB is far to strong. being a new pilot i should not live as long as i do and to be fair the only time ill generally die against AV is if i have had the warning yet still go back anyway. really in those situations you should just realize that you need to go play in a different part of the map.

i come from a uncommon school of thought that high level tanks and ADS should be seen as a corporate asset such as a carrier, dreadnought, titan and supper carrier in eve. their potential is huge and unbalances PUBS. keep them for PC and well you can balance them more effectively. there is no point screaming at the 16 people in the pubs most of which are on low SP's to get gud and use proto AV because your ADS is worth 500-600k as in most pubs you will be talking to atleast 9 players who are a long way from getting proto AV and could do with putting their SP's into countering their most common foe, infantry. the negative of going AV in anything bar a commando is that your putting yourself at extreme risk against infantry an is the cost worth the reward?

AV should be effective against vehicles - but i do thing that vehicles need to be reworked

what are you proposing? making the python easy mode for even those without skill or SP's?

i have a vehicle alt but i play alot of AV ( swarms, RE, AV grenades) on my main.

from my limited piloting of a ADS i can say i probably get something like 8-1 and the 1 is usually due to my newb flying. i never bothered trying to learn in a regular drop ship so yea its cost me more to get where i am than it should have ever done. saying that i have plenty of isk so meh it does not matter.

the problem with ADS is simple AB is the be all and end all of most peoples survival methods. get hit once....think about moving, twice move, 3rd time to go if you have not already. return when modals off cool down and repeat. unfortunatly this is the level of pilot i am and to be fair alot of pilots out there are not too much ahead of me. the good pilots use terrain instead of the AB and as a result can stay in combat alot longer. there are some amazing vids out there of some of them in action

the cool downs are way too short and the AB is far to strong. being a new pilot i should not live as long as i do and to be fair the only time ill generally die against AV is if i have had the warning yet still go back anyway. really in those situations you should just realize that you need to go play in a different part of the map.

i come from a uncommon school of thought that high level tanks and ADS should be seen as a corporate asset such as a carrier, dreadnought, titan and supper carrier in eve. their potential is huge and unbalances PUBS. keep them for PC and well you can balance them more effectively. there is no point screaming at the 16 people in the pubs most of which are on low SP's to get gud and use proto AV because your ADS is worth 500-600k as in most pubs you will be talking to atleast 9 players who are a long way from getting proto AV and could do with putting their SP's into countering their most common foe, infantry. the negative of going AV in anything bar a commando is that your putting yourself at extreme risk against infantry an is the cost worth the reward?

AV should be effective against vehicles - but i do thing that vehicles need to be reworked

Like I said stop specing into AV and go into vehicles. you can put the proto suites aside for at least 1month of your 2 years of playing this game.

And as for your first comment. all I have to say is.

Great minds think allot alike. Tankers are a superior race to sad infantry. We simply are better then you in every aspect.

Fixed it for ya

Its crazy the extent we have to go to just to stay alive. dieing is not a problem for us but dieing and getting nothing accomplished is. People hound dropships in this game all the time. I have seen swarms spawn in and target an ADS while there Is a tank below them slaughtering their team mates.

Pythons are flimsy as crap sure this python had 3500 shield on it. At the cost of an afterburner. If the forge guns would have come into the came sooner I probable would have been shot down. I always say you will know a good pilot between how often he goes into orbit to get away from AV and how often he using the map to get away from them.

Not everyone is a 50/0 pilot but those that are have 30mil SP in them and months of practice. Nerfing it dosent hurt anyone but the lower tier drop ship pilots.

caldari vehicles are very hard to use and not often seen outside of rail tanking and even then scrubs prefer armor rail. This buff is needed and if you don't like it

HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SPECING INTO AV AND TRYING USEING VEHICLES?

Nothing kills dropships and tanks better then.... DROPSHIPS AND TANKS (outside of rams and jihads thx CCP)

So your common response can be used against you. Get good scrubs.

Well seeing that I put about 650k? into a skill that helps delay the shield regen yeah 4 seconds ins reasonable nomw event the slightest damage is going to restart that timer so it just go to show how oblivious people are to vehicles. Even guys that claim they are good/

Y'all are fallin' for a troll post.

I'm just sayin'.

And I put the same, and significantly more ISK that you EVER DID into my HAV...... yes I ran Million ISK + Standard HAV...... (981K ISK Proto Turrets, 500K ISK hulls, 250+K ISK module line ups)

I am very familiar with AV mechanics being regularly schooled in them by Atiim, and more oft that not am on the recieving end of AV fire.

However I hazard to say the most lethal thing in the game right now is ADS, lethal, not OP.

They do not need a 500 HP increase to be quite honest with their potential damage output, ability to fly, and very respectable EHP values.

These vehicles are supposed to be something akin to helicopters......you would have them be more like Skytanks....

Don't all/ most Null Sec player own their own carriers rather than use corp assets?

Either way that sound wonderful......... but unfortunately high level tanks/ any vehicle of the scale you are thinking of neither exist nor would be durable enough (Due to AVer bitching) to really be considered a valuable corporate asset.

Its crazy the extent we have to go to just to stay alive. dieing is not a problem for us but dieing and getting nothing accomplished is. People hound dropships in this game all the time. I have seen swarms spawn in and target an ADS while there Is a tank below them slaughtering their team mates.

Pythons are flimsy as crap sure this python had 3500 shield on it. At the cost of an afterburner. If the forge guns would have come into the came sooner I probable would have been shot down. I always say you will know a good pilot between how often he goes into orbit to get away from AV and how often he using the map to get away from them.

Not everyone is a 50/0 pilot but those that are have 30mil SP in them and months of practice. Nerfing it dosent hurt anyone but the lower tier drop ship pilots.

caldari vehicles are very hard to use and not often seen outside of rail tanking and even then scrubs prefer armor rail. This buff is needed and if you don't like it

HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SPECING INTO AV AND TRYING USEING VEHICLES?

Nothing kills dropships and tanks better then.... DROPSHIPS AND TANKS (outside of rams and jihads thx CCP)

So your common response can be used against you. Get good scrubs.

This logic hurts my head.

Great minds think allot alike. Tankers are a superior race to sad infantry. We simply are better then you in every aspect.