Input and feedback is being sought regarding the state of support play within Dust, and how to improve the experience and effectiveness.

When responding to this thread please note your primary role / primary context for use of each item being commented on so that proper context can be applied.

Cheers,
Cross

Reference:Nanohive Alchemy: Nanite Cluster Mysteries <-- Until I get better numbers, use this as a reference point.

EDIT: Proposed changes *WORKING DRAFT*

• 1st iteration
• 2nd iteration
• 3rd iteration<--- Feedback phase in progress, consideration of both concepts and numbers welcome Note: Undergoing updates, document will be made current after the deployment of Patch 1.9

Note: While proposed equipment changes from iteration 1 have currently been tabled discussion is on going, particularly with respects to a more scaled method of the equipment changes
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I honestly do not know what you are saying here, please elaborate because there is clearly a breakdown in communication somewhere (quite possibly on my end).


More HP, or at least eHP is unequivocally required in my studied view. I very much doubt there is a proposal for a rework that could be viable and not include this.

2 Points:

Bandwidth Visibilty & Nanohive WP output increase.



As of right now, players have to try to puzzle together what active equipment they can and can't have on the field pending upon which suit. You can imagine the confusion that can take place when suits maybe switched out at fast pace, one could lose track of what will be lost vs what will be sustained. Visually, having the BW capacitor in the HUD/cluster. I feel that if the player could see on each suit the actual capacity of active equipment bandwith, it could be a very valuable tool to the Logi, as well as any other suit playable. This pont has been on my mind since the patch was instated.

i.e. Proto amarr Logi having a 36 max BW would display something like 36/36 after I place 6 uplinks (4BW each), followed by one allotek nanohive (6BW each) simultaneously. This would be max capacity. Now, switching off to a min Logi (32BW); my first link would pop due to the FIFO [first in first out] laws. This would regulate back to 32/32 max, visibly descending or rising based on suit preference.

Another Idea has to do with the Cal Logi. As of right now it is still not a viable contender to call upon like its three racial peers. With the equipment buff giving a slight edge on the Cal logi, I feel that a WP buff would be sufficient from the standard +10.

Keyword "have". Doesn't mean they can all be deployed at the same time. The amount of carried equipment is equal no matter the suit. This degrades the Logistics role, imo.

We don't want Scouts stepping on the Logi's toes. We do want Scouts to actually use their class bonus and run cloak.

PS: Played lots of Ambush yesterday. Noticed fewer heavies but far more Logis than before. Even a few Battle Logi (had to plug one of 'em 3x with a Creodron SG!). Not sure what's up, but a drop in Scouts and an increase in Logis certainly isn't what I expected to see.

You close your mouth you logi wannabe.

Commandos should've gotten a second equipment slot,not scouts.

They trade eHP and thousands of rounds in a lost heavy weapon,and even slots.

Scouts trade nothing.

Scouts are scrubs,and are supposed to suck with equipment.

You are supposed to be the last resort niche suit,not the go-to first deploy suit.

Learn your place.

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TLDR
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FFS CCP stop half-assing and give assaults 4 equipment,100% dampening,invisibility,and 3 weapons already.
You've effectively gotten to the point where everyone in the logistics community can see you only care about assaults,and feign care for any other class.

Well, if it looks like cow poop and smells like cow poop,it's probably cow poop.
Amirite?


I hate grey.

The whole 'every class is important' malarkey.
Then through their own actions they show that only 1 class is important,assaults.

Actions speak louder than words.

Scouts were given low bandwidth,because they're supposed to suck with equipment.

No other class is supposed to compete effectively with logistics in equipment.
Except maybe commandos.

Scouts were given low rep rate because they're supposed to suck at direct attacks.

No other class is supposed to compete effectively with assaults in directly attacking.
Except maybe commandos.

Scouts are designed for stealth,not deployment.

I was just wondering...

Why do flux grenades destroy equipment?

I mean,hives say in the description that they are shielded from outside interference.(AKA flux grenades,flux OBs)

Equipment has 2 life bars.
An empty shield bar.
A full life bar.

Why do flux grenades destroy armor on equipment yet armor on dropsuits isn't scratched?
Why doesn't equipment have shields despite having a shield bar?

Why is do only REs refill at depots and hives?
Why do REs explode instead of popping harmlessly?
-I've never seen a popped hive expel all its contents to refill as i have seen REs do theirs to kill

Why did scouts get 2 equipment slots instead of commandos?

Why do scouts still have 2 equipment slots?

Who's to say,you ask.
CCP,i exclaim.

Mid post,right above 'Quality over Quantity'.

See my last post to 100% discredit your scouts for support bs.

Are we done yet?

Wow,you can't read.

Go back,and read the paragraph above 'Quality over quantity'.

Above,not below,not beside.
On top of.


Oh yes i called them liars,but that doesn't change the fact they set the rules.

You are a hypocrite,because you say 'respect CCP' and as soon as i link you to a post made by CCP to shut you up you write it off as bunk and worthless.

Cross is there a way to block people from posting scout sympathy requests here?

Logistics is and has been broken for over 7 months and seeing these spoiled brats posting as if they actually have problems is tedious and detracts from the overall discussion.

More like second lowest.

Amarr/Caldari Logi: 20/28/36

Minmatar/Gallente Logi: 16/24/32

Light/Medium/Assault/Commando: 8/12/16

Scout: 6/9/12

Heavy/Sentinel: 0

I'm A-OK with seeing bandwidth and the conditions it creates disappear. If not removing it completely I don't see buffing bandwidth limits for one class and not everyone. More bandwidth for all, I say, or no bandwidth for anyone!

The only thing bandwith changed was the onesidedness of the games.

If you have some dedicated linkers, you have a much better chance to win. If you just have kdr slayers who can't be asked to bring some links, you may end up running a lot...

Just change logi bonus. 5% reduction in equipment fitting and +1 max carried per level.

I'd rather improve the rest of the logi to meet the Mins with level of effective value, not nerf the whole role.

I am actually a strong proponent of exploring what is needed to get a shield repper into the game.

When it comes to racial logi my hope is to add a second layer of skill to each race giving some rep type (shield or armor) to each race.