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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:29:00 -
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So you might be wondering, with this CPU/PG nerf, what should I skill into to get the most out of my fittings?
Well, you might as well spend the SP right now on taking heavy weapon operation from 3 to 5 if you haven't already. It'll be crucial, especially for Forge Guns.
And although it doesn't seem like much to get an extra 1% CPU and PG from taking your Dropsuit Core Upgrades from 4 to 5, if your Sentinel has as much PG as the Amarr you'll wind up increasing your PG by 1 (which is crucial) and you're only getting an extra 3 CPU, it'll be worth it. Especially if you don't have your sidearm proficiency to 5 which gives access to your sidearm fitting optimization.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6443
For my fitting, the Scrambler Pistol is where I'll have to spend my SP - on sidearm operation for that extra CPU and eventually scrambler pistol fitting optimization. This means that although Sentinels will get an inherent 15% bonus to CPU and PG at proto level, you'd still be better off spending it on your ScP because it actually takes up more CPU and PG than the HMG does after you take off that 15%.
I'm not too knowledgeable about the fitting requirements of other sidearms, but I took a look at the SMG, which for some insane reason requires less CPU than a ScP and the post-Sentinel bonus HMG. But it still has more PG, so you'll definitely benefit the most from your sidearm fitting optimization, as you can use your sidearm on both HMG and Forge Gun fits.
Which brings me to the coup de gras. It's going to be a rough time for Forge Gunners especially if you're a more HMG-focused Sentinel. That Forge uses a TON of fitting space and in general is going to make them weaker until they take the time to diligently skill every single fitting book up to 5...
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:33:00 -
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It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting?
Oh, the humanity.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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TechMechMeds
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
5044
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting?
Oh, the humanity.
You should put Tldr in front of that, cheers lol.
Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!.
This is unacceptable!.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
831
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting?
Oh, the humanity.
No, Arkena. It's going to mean I can't use AV grenades and probably downgrade my sidearm. I'll make a fitting in a minute and update you.
Calm your *******.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1944
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:39:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting?
Oh, the humanity.
No it means you will have to likely forego a sidearm to fit proto.
Trying to hit a strafer at 40m with a slow charging weapon only succeeds when his IQ is lower than that of a mentally handicapped amarran (all of them). |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
16735
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:40:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting?
Oh, the humanity. No, Arkena. It's going to mean I can't use AV grenades and probably downgrade my sidearm. I'll make a fitting in a minute and update you. Calm your *******.
"Can't use AV grenades" and needing to downgrade your sidearm?
Downgrade the sidearm to ADV and you can fit proto AV grenades easily. If you don't want to do that you can just use ADV ones instead of the proto ones.
It doesn't mean that you "Can't use AV grenades". You've already fitted a proto grenade...
Breakin Stuff wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting?
Oh, the humanity. No it means you will have to likely forego a sidearm to fit proto. Trying to hit a strafer at 40m with a slow charging weapon only succeeds when his IQ is lower than that of a mentally handicapped amarran (all of them).
Forgo a sidearm entirely?
Hardly. A basic sidearm takes up a miniscule amount of resources.
EDIT: What is the point of having PG/CPU if you can fit anything you want without caring about it?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11632
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:46:00 -
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Welcome to the world of every other suit, where fitting proto comes with sacrifices!
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
831
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:50:00 -
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Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative.
Here's my Forge fit.
I'll update the OP with a new paragraph about it right now.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11330
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:03:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative.
If this post is meant to be informative, you should thank him for doing you a favor.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2984
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:08:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative. Here's my Forge fit.I'll update the OP with a new paragraph about it right now.
Shields over a damage mod
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
831
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:bamboo x wrote:Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative.
If this post is meant to be informative, you should thank him for doing you a favor.
No, it comes off as rude. It's not our fault CCP attempted to bait us all into skilling into heavies with the easy fitting requirements. I didn't choose it for that purpose, and I find it offensive that you think we expect being a Sentinel to be easy mode. Not all of us are FOTM chasers and game exploiters.
And to be completely honest my Logi doesn't have a problem fitting everything proto because he has too many module slots. So your fitting problems must've been a Scout and Assault exclusive problem. Don't speak for Logis if you're not even using one.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
831
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:11:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Shields over a damage mod
Yes because it's my CQC fit that has to worry about other infantry as well as vehicles. The extra damage is what the Lai Dais are for on that fit.
I told you I'd update the OP, perhaps you should try reading.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3889
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:43:00 -
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Shotgunning that suit won't be fun.
Looks like it'd 5 take blasts.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6254
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:47:00 -
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Wait, you guys don't have your fitting skills maxed?
How the hell did you guys survive withou-
Wait. Oh yeah.
FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
831
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:50:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Shotgunning that suit won't be fun. Looks like it'd take 4-5 blasts.
I wouldn't imagine it would be any different than what the Gallente is now.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
754
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:50:00 -
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Basic packed AV does the same dmg as eco-5 without the fitting requirements.
A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
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castba
Merc-0107
551
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:59:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Wait, you guys don't have your fitting skills maxed?
How the hell did you guys survive withou-
Wait. Oh yeah.
Please don't put all heavies in the same whingy category.
Some of us realise that there SHOULD be a need to skill into weapon optimization... regardless of suit |
Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11332
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:01:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:No, it comes off as rude. It's not our fault CCP attempted to bait us all into skilling into heavies with the easy fitting requirements. I didn't choose it for that purpose, and I find it offensive that you think we expect being a Sentinel to be easy mode. Not all of us are FOTM chasers and game exploiters.
Umm... what?
First off, CCP didn't bait anyone with anything. Nowhere did they say "Hey man, why not skill into some Sentinels? They've got so much CPU/PG that you'll instantly regret investing into something as arbitrary as Core Skills!". Players made that decision at their own discretion, without influence from CCP.
Furthermore, not once in this thread have I accused you of wanting Sentinels to be easy-mode, nor did I accuse Sentinel users as being FoTM chasers and game exploiters.
bamboo x wrote:And to be completely honest my Logi doesn't have a problem fitting everything proto because he has too many module slots. So your fitting problems must've been a Scout and Assault exclusive problem. Don't speak for Logis if you're not even using one.
Everything PRO? Let me show you an example of what you're claiming:
[Logistics] Boundless CR*
As you can see, every single module is at the Prototype/Complex tier, and the Character is maxed (272m SP). I even took the liberty of placing a Specialist CR (the easiest-to-fit rifle in DUST), and Reactive Plates (lower CPU/PG than the base variants, but decent buffer and HP/s in Charlie). The suit is still 40 CPU and 13 PG over the limit.
I don't remember speaking for Logistics users in this thread, but I've been a Logi for over a year now. 
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3911
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:37:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Shotgunning that suit won't be fun. Looks like it'd take 4-5 blasts. I wouldn't imagine it would be any different than what the Gallente is now.
Indeed.
GalSentinels are the toughest of nuts to crack.
Damn Shotgun Proficiency.
What good is +efficiency vs shields when chewing through 1,500 points of armor?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
834
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Posted - 2014.08.12 05:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Everything PRO? Let me show you an example of what you're claiming: [Logistics] Boundless CR*As you can see, every single module is at the Prototype/Complex tier, and the Character is maxed (272m SP). I even took the liberty of placing a Specialist CR (the easiest-to-fit rifle in DUST), and Reactive Plates (lower CPU/PG than the base variants, but decent buffer and HP/s in Charlie). The suit is still 40 CPU and 13 PG over the limit. I don't remember speaking for Logistics users in this thread, but I've been a Logi for over a year now.
Look. I'm not talking about making my Logi a perfect, module stacking killing machine.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463
This is my scanner fit. I was talking about I have every slot except one proto without even having any fitting optimization skills. For me that fitting has 503/507 CPU and 114/115 PG. So as you can see, my Gal Logi has NO trouble fitting everything proto, because I'm not focused on MODULES, I'm focused on EQUIPMENT and using that equipment as efficiently as possible.
It quite honestly wouldn't be worth it to me to skill into Assault Rifle Fitting Optimizaiton, because what's 15% of the 6 PG the Federation Specialist gets? Hardly even 1 PG for all that SP? Maybe the option not to run Gallente anymore and use the ISK Duvolle instead? No thanks.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
159
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Posted - 2014.08.12 05:37:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Atiim wrote:bamboo x wrote:Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative.
If this post is meant to be informative, you should thank him for doing you a favor. No, it comes off as rude. It's not our fault CCP attempted to bait us all into skilling into heavies with the easy fitting requirements. I didn't choose it for that purpose, and I find it offensive that you think we expect being a Sentinel to be easy mode. Not all of us are FOTM chasers and game exploiters. And to be completely honest my Logi doesn't have a problem fitting everything proto because he has too many module slots. So your fitting problems must've been a Scout and Assault exclusive problem. Don't speak for Logis if you're not even using one.
What Logi do you have? Because i cant go all proto on my logi CK.0 |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
834
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Posted - 2014.08.12 05:38:00 -
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Jack you are the worst kind of troll. Go back and look at the post I JUST MADE BEFORE YOURS.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463
There's only one slot missing that's not being used. Every other slot has a proto module in it.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
387
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Posted - 2014.08.12 08:32:00 -
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If there's one slot not being used, then it isn't a full proto fit is it? |
Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
327
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Posted - 2014.08.12 09:30:00 -
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Just with core skills maxed (as every have), without any optimization skills.
You can fit : (ill write, cant post protofits link on my phone)
Amarr sentiniel Ak.0
2x complex plates
2x complex repps
1x complex dmg mod
Boundless HMG
Six Kin SMG
flux.
Everything proto. Flux is flux, makes no differnce.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
994
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Posted - 2014.08.12 09:41:00 -
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I think it's so stupid CCP switched the Gal Heavy and Amarr Heavy slots... if I wanted a 2/3 layout I would have gone Amarr... |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1950
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Posted - 2014.08.12 09:50:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:I think it's so stupid CCP switched the Gal Heavy and Amarr Heavy slots... if I wanted a 2/3 layout I would have gone Amarr...
Amarr sentinels were originally 1/4 and should never have been changed |
I-Shayz-I
I----------I
4541
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Posted - 2014.08.12 10:12:00 -
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It's called forge gun fitting optimization
and Sentinel level 4/5
Before these skills were useless to me...now I'll actually have to skill into them.
My biggest issue will be trying to fit a complex kin cat with an assault forge on a minmatar sentinel...so much pg drain.
7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1951
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Posted - 2014.08.12 11:43:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:It's called forge gun fitting optimization
and Sentinel level 4/5
Before these skills were useless to me...now I'll actually have to skill into them.
My biggest issue will be trying to fit a complex kin cat with an assault forge on a minmatar sentinel...so much pg drain.
Run damage mods with kincats or cardiac regulators. Its freaking hilarious.
Plus damage mods are cpu-heavy, PG lite. It means you have to stay mobile and keep your distance. But I love my minsent fast atrack suits even though I suck with them
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1933
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Posted - 2014.08.12 11:55:00 -
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I don't see what the fuss is all about... I have a Proto Heavy with Proto everything and i'm sure i'll have the same fittings Post charlie... Then again i have all Core skills and necessary skills to level 5... One good thing though... We will see less L33Ts with HEAVY + Rifle fittings. |
Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
754
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:33:00 -
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3 scanners, an empty slot, a pg module and a specialist weapon? Oh sooooo very proto.
A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
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