DUST Search - Fitting breakdown for Sentinels in Charlie

bamboo x wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Everything PRO? Let me show you an example of what you're claiming:

[Logistics] Boundless CR*

As you can see, every single module is at the Prototype/Complex tier, and the Character is maxed (272m SP). I even took the liberty of placing a Specialist CR (the easiest-to-fit rifle in DUST), and Reactive Plates (lower CPU/PG than the base variants, but decent buffer and HP/s in Charlie). The suit is still 40 CPU and 13 PG over the limit.

I don't remember speaking for Logistics users in this thread, but I've been a Logi for over a year now. Roll

Look. I'm not talking about making my Logi a perfect, module stacking killing machine.

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463

This is my scanner fit. I was talking about I have every slot except one proto without even having any fitting optimization skills. For me that fitting has 503/507 CPU and 114/115 PG. So as you can see, my Gal Logi has NO trouble fitting everything proto, because I'm not focused on MODULES, I'm focused on EQUIPMENT and using that equipment as efficiently as possible.

It quite honestly wouldn't be worth it to me to skill into Assault Rifle Fitting Optimizaiton, because what's 15% of the 6 PG the Federation Specialist gets? Hardly even 1 PG for all that SP? Maybe the option not to run Gallente anymore and use the ISK Duvolle instead? No thanks.

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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 831	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:29:00 - [1] - Quote So you might be wondering, with this CPU/PG nerf, what should I skill into to get the most out of my fittings? Well, you might as well spend the SP right now on taking heavy weapon operation from 3 to 5 if you haven't already. It'll be crucial, especially for Forge Guns. And although it doesn't seem like much to get an extra 1% CPU and PG from taking your Dropsuit Core Upgrades from 4 to 5, if your Sentinel has as much PG as the Amarr you'll wind up increasing your PG by 1 (which is crucial) and you're only getting an extra 3 CPU, it'll be worth it. Especially if you don't have your sidearm proficiency to 5 which gives access to your sidearm fitting optimization. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6443 For my fitting, the Scrambler Pistol is where I'll have to spend my SP - on sidearm operation for that extra CPU and eventually scrambler pistol fitting optimization. This means that although Sentinels will get an inherent 15% bonus to CPU and PG at proto level, you'd still be better off spending it on your ScP because it actually takes up more CPU and PG than the HMG does after you take off that 15%. I'm not too knowledgeable about the fitting requirements of other sidearms, but I took a look at the SMG, which for some insane reason requires less CPU than a ScP and the post-Sentinel bonus HMG. But it still has more PG, so you'll definitely benefit the most from your sidearm fitting optimization, as you can use your sidearm on both HMG and Forge Gun fits. Which brings me to the coup de gras. It's going to be a rough time for Forge Gunners especially if you're a more HMG-focused Sentinel. That Forge uses a TON of fitting space and in general is going to make them weaker until they take the time to diligently skill every single fitting book up to 5... *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16731	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting? Oh, the humanity. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
TechMechMeds Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5044	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:36:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting? Oh, the humanity. You should put Tldr in front of that, cheers lol. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 831	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:36:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting? Oh, the humanity. No, Arkena. It's going to mean I can't use AV grenades and probably downgrade my sidearm. I'll make a fitting in a minute and update you. Calm your *****. Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1944	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:39:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting? Oh, the humanity. No it means you will have to likely forego a sidearm to fit proto. Trying to hit a strafer at 40m with a slow charging weapon only succeeds when his IQ is lower than that of a mentally handicapped amarran (all of them).
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16735	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:40:00 - [6] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting? Oh, the humanity. No, Arkena. It's going to mean I can't use AV grenades and probably downgrade my sidearm. I'll make a fitting in a minute and update you. Calm your ******. "Can't use AV grenades" and* needing to downgrade your sidearm? Downgrade the sidearm to ADV and you can fit proto AV grenades easily. If you don't want to do that you can just use ADV ones instead of the proto ones. It doesn't mean that you "Can't use AV grenades". You've already fitted a proto grenade... Breakin Stuff wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's going to be a rough time because instead of fitting full proto with no compromises you have to downgrade one module, having a net effect of 2% on your overall fitting? Oh, the humanity. No it means you will have to likely forego a sidearm to fit proto. Trying to hit a strafer at 40m with a slow charging weapon only succeeds when his IQ is lower than that of a mentally handicapped amarran (all of them). Forgo a sidearm entirely? Hardly. A basic sidearm takes up a miniscule amount of resources. EDIT: What is the point of having PG/CPU if you can fit anything you want without caring about it? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11632	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:46:00 - [7] - Quote Welcome to the world of every other suit, where fitting proto comes with sacrifices! Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 831	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:50:00 - [8] - Quote Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative. Here's my Forge fit. I'll update the OP with a new paragraph about it right now. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11330	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:03:00 - [9] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative. If this post is meant to be informative, you should thank him for doing you a favor. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2984	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:08:00 - [10] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative. Here's my Forge fit. I'll update the OP with a new paragraph about it right now. Shields over a damage mod Tanker/Logi/Assault

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 831	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:10:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: bamboo x wrote: Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative. If this post is meant to be informative, you should thank him for doing you a favor. No, it comes off as rude. It's not our fault CCP attempted to bait us all into skilling into heavies with the easy fitting requirements. I didn't choose it for that purpose, and I find it offensive that you think we expect being a Sentinel to be easy mode. Not all of us are FOTM chasers and game exploiters. And to be completely honest my Logi doesn't have a problem fitting everything proto because he has too many module slots. So your fitting problems must've been a Scout and Assault exclusive problem. Don't speak for Logis if you're not even using one. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 831	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:11:00 - [12] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Shields over a damage mod Yes because it's my CQC fit that has to worry about other infantry as well as vehicles. The extra damage is what the Lai Dais are for on that fit. I told you I'd update the OP, perhaps you should try reading. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3889	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:43:00 - [13] - Quote Shotgunning that suit won't be fun. Looks like it'd 5 take blasts. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6254	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote Wait, you guys don't have your fitting skills maxed? How the hell did you guys survive withou- Wait. Oh yeah. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 831	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:50:00 - [15] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Shotgunning that suit won't be fun. Looks like it'd take 4-5 blasts. I wouldn't imagine it would be any different than what the Gallente is now. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 754	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote Basic packed AV does the same dmg as eco-5 without the fitting requirements. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
castba Merc-0107 551	Posted - 2014.08.11 22:59:00 - [17] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Wait, you guys don't have your fitting skills maxed? How the hell did you guys survive withou- Wait. Oh yeah. Please don't put all heavies in the same whingy category. Some of us realise that there SHOULD be a need to skill into weapon optimization... regardless of suit
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11332	Posted - 2014.08.12 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote bamboo x wrote: No, it comes off as rude. It's not our fault CCP attempted to bait us all into skilling into heavies with the easy fitting requirements. I didn't choose it for that purpose, and I find it offensive that you think we expect being a Sentinel to be easy mode. Not all of us are FOTM chasers and game exploiters. Umm... what? First off, CCP didn't bait anyone with anything. Nowhere did they say "Hey man, why not skill into some Sentinels? They've got so much CPU/PG that you'll instantly regret investing into something as arbitrary as Core Skills!". Players made that decision at their own discretion, without influence from CCP. Furthermore, not once in this thread have I accused you of wanting Sentinels to be easy-mode, nor did I accuse Sentinel users as being FoTM chasers and game exploiters. bamboo x wrote: And to be completely honest my Logi doesn't have a problem fitting everything proto because he has too many module slots. So your fitting problems must've been a Scout and Assault exclusive problem. Don't speak for Logis if you're not even using one. Everything PRO? Let me show you an example of what you're claiming: [Logistics] Boundless CR* As you can see, every single module is at the Prototype/Complex tier, and the Character is maxed (272m SP). I even took the liberty of placing a Specialist CR (the easiest-to-fit rifle in DUST), and Reactive Plates (lower CPU/PG than the base variants, but decent buffer and HP/s in Charlie). The suit is still 40 CPU and 13 PG over the limit. I don't remember speaking for Logistics users in this thread, but I've been a Logi for over a year now. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3911	Posted - 2014.08.12 01:37:00 - [19] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Shotgunning that suit won't be fun. Looks like it'd take 4-5 blasts. I wouldn't imagine it would be any different than what the Gallente is now. Indeed. GalSentinels are the toughest of nuts to crack. Damn Shotgun Proficiency. What good is +efficiency vs shields when chewing through 1,500 points of armor? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 834	Posted - 2014.08.12 05:23:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Everything PRO? Let me show you an example of what you're claiming: [Logistics] Boundless CR* As you can see, every single module is at the Prototype/Complex tier, and the Character is maxed (272m SP). I even took the liberty of placing a Specialist CR (the easiest-to-fit rifle in DUST), and Reactive Plates (lower CPU/PG than the base variants, but decent buffer and HP/s in Charlie). The suit is still 40 CPU and 13 PG over the limit. I don't remember speaking for Logistics users in this thread, but I've been a Logi for over a year now. Look. I'm not talking about making my Logi a perfect, module stacking killing machine. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463 This is my scanner fit. I was talking about I have every slot except one proto without even having any fitting optimization skills. For me that fitting has 503/507 CPU and 114/115 PG. So as you can see, my Gal Logi has NO trouble fitting everything proto, because I'm not focused on MODULES, I'm focused on EQUIPMENT and using that equipment as efficiently as possible. It quite honestly wouldn't be worth it to me to skill into Assault Rifle Fitting Optimizaiton, because what's 15% of the 6 PG the Federation Specialist gets? Hardly even 1 PG for all that SP? Maybe the option not to run Gallente anymore and use the ISK Duvolle instead? No thanks. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.

Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 159	Posted - 2014.08.12 05:37:00 - [21] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Atiim wrote: bamboo x wrote: Will you people stop turning this into a debate? It's meant to be informative. If this post is meant to be informative, you should thank him for doing you a favor. No, it comes off as rude. It's not our fault CCP attempted to bait us all into skilling into heavies with the easy fitting requirements. I didn't choose it for that purpose, and I find it offensive that you think we expect being a Sentinel to be easy mode. Not all of us are FOTM chasers and game exploiters. And to be completely honest my Logi doesn't have a problem fitting everything proto because he has too many module slots. So your fitting problems must've been a Scout and Assault exclusive problem. Don't speak for Logis if you're not even using one. What Logi do you have? Because i cant go all proto on my logi CK.0
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 834	Posted - 2014.08.12 05:38:00 - [22] - Quote Jack you are the worst kind of troll. Go back and look at the post I JUST MADE BEFORE YOURS. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463 There's only one slot missing that's not being used. Every other slot has a proto module in it. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 387	Posted - 2014.08.12 08:32:00 - [23] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Jack you are the worst kind of troll. Go back and look at the post I JUST MADE BEFORE YOURS. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463 There's only one slot missing that's not being used. Every other slot has a proto module in it. If there's one slot not being used, then it isn't a full proto fit is it?
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 327	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:30:00 - [24] - Quote Just with core skills maxed (as every have), without any optimization skills. You can fit : (ill write, cant post protofits link on my phone) Amarr sentiniel Ak.0 2x complex plates 2x complex repps 1x complex dmg mod Boundless HMG Six Kin SMG flux. Everything proto. Flux is flux, makes no differnce. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 994	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:41:00 - [25] - Quote I think it's so stupid CCP switched the Gal Heavy and Amarr Heavy slots... if I wanted a 2/3 layout I would have gone Amarr...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1950	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:50:00 - [26] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: I think it's so stupid CCP switched the Gal Heavy and Amarr Heavy slots... if I wanted a 2/3 layout I would have gone Amarr... Amarr sentinels were originally 1/4 and should never have been changed
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4541	Posted - 2014.08.12 10:12:00 - [27] - Quote It's called forge gun fitting optimization and Sentinel level 4/5 Before these skills were useless to me...now I'll actually have to skill into them. My biggest issue will be trying to fit a complex kin cat with an assault forge on a minmatar sentinel...so much pg drain. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1951	Posted - 2014.08.12 11:43:00 - [28] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: It's called forge gun fitting optimization and Sentinel level 4/5 Before these skills were useless to me...now I'll actually have to skill into them. My biggest issue will be trying to fit a complex kin cat with an assault forge on a minmatar sentinel...so much pg drain. Run damage mods with kincats or cardiac regulators. Its freaking hilarious. Plus damage mods are cpu-heavy, PG lite. It means you have to stay mobile and keep your distance. But I love my minsent fast atrack suits even though I suck with them
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1933	Posted - 2014.08.12 11:55:00 - [29] - Quote I don't see what the fuss is all about... I have a Proto Heavy with Proto everything and i'm sure i'll have the same fittings Post charlie... Then again i have all Core skills and necessary skills to level 5... One good thing though... We will see less L33Ts with HEAVY + Rifle fittings.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 754	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:33:00 - [30] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Jack you are the worst kind of troll. Go back and look at the post I JUST MADE BEFORE YOURS. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463 There's only one slot missing that's not being used. Every other slot has a proto module in it. 3 scanners, an empty slot, a pg module and a specialist weapon? Oh sooooo very proto. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 837	Posted - 2014.08.13 00:15:00 - [31] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Just with core skills maxed (as every have), without any optimization skills. You can fit : (ill write, cant post protofits link on my phone) Amarr sentiniel Ak.0 2x complex plates 2x complex repps 1x complex dmg mod Boundless HMG Six Kin SMG flux. Everything proto. Flux is flux, makes no differnce. Running 2 complex reps with your HMG is for Pub matches. You might want one for some extra assurance in case your Logi dies or you want that extra kick when a Min Logi isn't around, but... No. Plates over damage mod any day of the week. And as I said in the OP, for some screwed up reason SMGs take up less CPU than ScPs, with the same PG. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16831	Posted - 2014.08.13 00:30:00 - [32] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Atiim wrote: Everything PRO? Let me show you an example of what you're claiming: [Logistics] Boundless CR* As you can see, every single module is at the Prototype/Complex tier, and the Character is maxed (272m SP). I even took the liberty of placing a Specialist CR (the easiest-to-fit rifle in DUST), and Reactive Plates (lower CPU/PG than the base variants, but decent buffer and HP/s in Charlie). The suit is still 40 CPU and 13 PG over the limit. I don't remember speaking for Logistics users in this thread, but I've been a Logi for over a year now. Look. I'm not talking about making my Logi a perfect, module stacking killing machine. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/337/6463 This is my scanner fit. I was talking about I have every slot except one proto without even having any fitting optimization skills. For me that fitting has 503/507 CPU and 114/115 PG. So as you can see, my Gal Logi has NO trouble fitting everything proto, because I'm not focused on MODULES, I'm focused on EQUIPMENT and using that equipment as efficiently as possible. It quite honestly wouldn't be worth it to me to skill into Assault Rifle Fitting Optimizaiton, because what's 15% of the 6 PG the Federation Specialist gets? Hardly even 1 PG for all that SP? Maybe the option not to run Gallente anymore and use the ISK Duvolle instead? No thanks. That hardly counts as a full proto, uncompromised fit, which is what sentinels could do. 1. You are using a specialist rifle. That represents a fitting compromise. 2. You have left a slot empty. Not just sub-complex, downgraded a module, or anything like that. Empty. 3. You are using a PG upgrade. Uncompromised full proto fitting that is not. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 755	Posted - 2014.08.13 00:51:00 - [33] - Quote Not to mention sentinels could do it on adv suits A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 837	Posted - 2014.08.13 02:32:00 - [34] - Quote Well, I think if I was a no-life douche who wanted to throw something like a shield recharger or precision enhancer that doesn't take up any PG, I could skill into things like Light Weapons Operation and Explosives to get the extra CPU, if it's even possible to get enough to fit a proto one. Matter of fact I think I do have one that's got a basic shield energizer or something... Hold on and I'll find it. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 839	Posted - 2014.08.13 19:14:00 - [35] - Quote Update now that Charlie's dropped. Here's what heavies will have to do now. I've spent around 3/4 of a million SP to get that fitting with 335/335 CPU and 76/76 PG. Basically you keep the complex mod, you stack four plates, and you use a basic flux. No need for the pro flux. I basically did exactly what I said in my previous posts with the Forge fit, except on my damage mod one I downgraded my ScP to a iA5 Tactical, with a Wyrkomi AV, 2 reps and 1 plate. I'll update you guys as I get my more detailed fittings worked out, but for now it looks like I only need to take my Sidearm Operation to level 2. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 858	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:31:00 - [36] - Quote bump because ccp gives us tiny signatures *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 758	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:15:00 - [37] - Quote Gk.0 HMG post Charlie Downgraded my SMG and thats about it. Had room for the switch between DMG mod and Complex plate. I will have to update this in game when I log in. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 862	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:38:00 - [38] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Gk.0 HMG post Charlie Downgraded my SMG and thats about it. Had room for the switch between DMG mod and Complex plate. I will have to update this in game when I log in. You're gonna want to get that HMG proficiency to 5 and put a point or two in fitting optimization because it'll let you use a pro SMG or a better flux. I can see you've already got some spare CPU to help you with it. Right now I'm kind of in a bind whether or not I want to dump any more SP into my heavy fitting. I'll probably do it on forge guns because quite honestly I've already spent almost a mil on pro grenades and I've spent 3/4 of a mil on hotfix charlie sentinels... Not sure I really want to sacrifice any more SP just for a ***** flux grenade. But I could possibly get myself another proto module if I put some points into Forge fitting optimization and things like Sidearm Operation. Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.


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