The real reason people complain about scouts is they are OP. They fulfill every role so that means you can run scout for every need you would need.

AV- Cloaked Scout with swarms and AV grenade or RE+LAV

Assault- cloaked scout with cr or sg

CQC- cloaked scout with sg, cr, and re

Logi- scout with rep tool and hive or rep hive with ammo hive or rep tool with needle

So by this you do not need a heavy for CQC or AV. You do not need an assault for the scout is better at this. CQC a scout can frisbee an RE, cloak SG to the back, or weave back and forth with cr. Even a logi is not safe for they can out perform do to scouts having as much or more CPU/PG and also 2 equipment slots.

CCP has created a stale environment. I understand charlie is supposed to bring more balance, but unless certain measures are taken the scout class will still be better at everything than one class is at one thing.

Seems about right. All my logi fittings have slowly turned to scout fittings.
Uplinks, scout can get there faster & easily undetected.
Swarms, again can get around faster & carry a sidearm.
Scans, well still best on my logi but hey no cooldown on passive scans.
Slaying, not even comparable.
It goes on & on. I went from around 20 different logi fittings to just a few, all scout fittings now.

Calscout with Combat rifle fits any role.

Calscout with Combat rifle fits any role.

Not for long.

It's about to rival the flaylock for biggest fall after nerf.

Salutations,... and Congratulations!!

You've just re-certified what CCP always sold as the chain-breaking difference between Dust 514 and other FPS games: ZERO Role constraints.

Maybe most of us (kind of like I did at first) expected to find the "Artificer", "Sentinel", "Arbiter", "Enforcer" roles meant 'You are choosing a fighting specialist in this game (medic, scout, special-weap guy, sniper...designed to function with a pre-designed purpose).

...Wrong.

You're training a "character" in this game (like a pet you buy, supposed to be thinking up a perfect name for it, supposed to be deciding which sex and breed you want, teaching it some skills and tricks, but ultimately long-term raising it to be a great runner or fetcher or attacker or cuddle-protector for your little kids).

You're the merc--you have you own fighting techniques that attract you in combat and your own ways of doing things,... so YOU pick your custom gear---every suit has enough wiggle room to accommodate SOME amount of mixed-up contradictory gear--so YOU create whatever "mutt" suit works for you. No shoebox combat roles.

Some players adapted to that well: 'sniper-ing with heavy armour suit in case of ambush', 'scout-ing with an Forge gun to get an early drop on the reds's RDV staging area while you're sneaking around his yard', 'repping friends with your medic suit--but high on kinetic drugs and a cloak so you can assassinate enemy hackers from behind" (I myself drive blatantly loud vehicles for a living---I don't "scout" at all...but I wouldn't be caught dead in anything but an advance-scout SUIT because it accommodates my gameplay).
This "freedom" to pimp your fitting is what drives other players to bancruptcy---they can't understand what they are doing wrong!!

It's what Dust was designed to be---no role constraints.

This doesn't mean they wouldn't a put small menu of "role" fit-outs on the table for those players who have to have their comforting classic pick-from-the-menu battle roles. It just means these pick-from roles understandably WON'T be as diehard dependable and well-refined as what you'd find in another FPS.... because CCP really wouldn't want to spend time making the same molds they are trying to break out of.

So I'm afraid your idea that CCP messed up by making the role-suit too adaptable is just an old idea, that Dust DELIBERATELY wanted to defy. I'm one of the players who feel they deserve congrats for doing it.... others will always feel they shouldn't have messed with the Colonel's Down-home Recipe...

Todays ignorant fan boy award goes to....

inb4 half assed retort with a smug veneer trying to say we just dont get it

[Todays ignorant fan boy award goes to....

inb4 half assed retort with a smug veneer trying to say we just dont get it

This is pretty true, but there are other things about the scoutsuit to learn. Scoutsuits have no functions for team based roles, although the only reason why they can act as a catalyst for other roles because they can carry two pieces of equipment instead of just their cloak that they need for survival. Another thing for scouts is that they are a major playerbase that use the game's features unconventionally, and bringing ambush style gameplay to other gamemodes. A great game can make players use features in diversity, but sometimes unconventional use of features is a bad thing. An example being forge gunners, which they can use the splash damage of their guns to kill players alongside get to a high place and call in for a logi to resupply them. Not many ways to combat this and these players can get immense amount of kills. Scouts are also a catalyst for major unconventional uses of the suit such as using a shotgun with cloak, powerful kincats with shotguns or same thing with nova knives. These weapon uses are very hard to counter unless you are a scout yourself, and no one wants to be forced to play in specific ways. If they were limited in unconventional weapon methods and re-purposed for some useful teambased play, but only in a slight ay it would be a huge change for this game in the right direction.

Not for long.

It's about to rival the flaylock for biggest fall after nerf.

No, that would be the Gallente scout that lost 20 percent off its scan radius bonus and 10 percent of its damps.

Caldari still has a massive radius bonus and gained damps.

Now Caldari actually have to run precision mods.

Caldari without 2 damps = dead caldari
Caldari without amps = **** caldari that wont detect much.

Learn how to use line breaks and indentations.

This hurts my eyes.

Enter the matrix

OP thinks he's better at slaying than my heavy and better at using equipment than my logi...

Sure buddy. You know I picked the Logi that can SCAN YOUR ASS right? Matter of fact I went Scout hunting today. Poor Gal Scout was so frustrated I kept scanning him... He almost got me with that shotty too. It was cute.

You have a 45 meter scan radius with max skills. The only suit you really have to worry about is the new Amarr scout which only needs 1 amp to have your range and starts out with a really low db.