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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:16:00 -
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Litterally 12 of the 16 sat in a building shooting out and not killing a damn thing. even a bad team can take the caliber of stupid these people are. its hard to play a 4v16 game. Why do people play if they just camp and circle jerk the whole time? My squad was the only one that had any kind of imitative to do anything. we held one point best we could do with 25% of the power of the other team. Me and my trusty scrambler making them think twice about poping in to say hi luckily we had at least one heavy backing us up. the other three were camping with the turds. x.x |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1055
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:39:00 -
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because dust has the biggest population of pussys of any FPS game.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
325
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:08:00 -
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That doesn't bother me near as much as the trolling to be honest. If they want to hide in a corner like a little ***** that's their business. What drives me up the wall is the faggots that troll:
1. The ******* that calls in a tank at the start of the match and proceeds to smash into any dropships and LAVs he can. I'm not talking when tankers accidently smash into an LAV or an LAV is coming around a corner too fast and runs into a tank, that's absolutely understandable. I'm talking about the guys that watch their teamates call in vehicles then proceed to ram them.
2. Faction Warfare TK hazing. Again, not accidental friendly fire but when people are either intentionally handicapping your side for the other or just awoxing cuz it's cool. Left a corp for that, I advocate people having fun and not just always FOTM chasing, I'm a huge advocate of whacky builds like myrofibril stacking punch builds and what not but use it on the other team.
3. The guy that takes my LAV for a joy ride. I don't want you in my LAV when I set up to blast away at the objective or shoot at enemy AV. LAVs are actually incredibly good and can get tucked away in a corner away from the vulnerability to everything that can shoot up that the Assault Dropship has, not that I'm knocking the ADS it still has superior maneuverability and survivability. Most people wouldn't know that LAV turrets are actually quite good because there is always some ****** that will jump in your LAV and drive around like a madman ruining any chance for you to shoot something. Sometimes players jump in and actually know to stop moving, but they still lack the reaction times to saving the gunner and the time setting up is often far outweighed by the slow reaction to the gunner taking fire. In other words, just please stop getting in other players LAVs if they are sitting alone on the turret. They don't want you being their chauffeur, call down your own LAV if you want to go joyride. If this was halo where you have to climb out and into the different seats that would be one thing, but since you can teleport around, there should never be more than one person in a LAV unless it's acting as transport.
4. The guy that shoots at or punches their teammates in some effort to mime something. This one isn't a big deal and is just a pet peeve. If I can drop ammo for our team I will, and if I want to snipe from a perch I will. If you want to get the main hack bonus you should of got there first. Go do something productive like kill the enemy team.
5. Last but certainly not least, the guy that keeps reviving me into enemy fire. This shouldn't be a thing that we can't deny a respawn if its going to just lock us out from playing when two people decide to WP/Kill boost.
Edit: As a side note, sometimes I want those guys to hide though. I'm talking the guys that go 0/16. They just hurt your team. |
Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
191
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:11:00 -
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At this point its just best to assume its you/your squad vs 16 no matter who you actually have on the team. Blues aren't there and you have to hack/link/AV/kill everything yourself. They cant disappoint you if they never existed.
Opus Arcana | TBD Ringleader | Yep Squad Spokesman
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
325
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:17:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:At this point its just best to assume its you/your squad vs 16 no matter who you actually have on the team. Blues aren't there and you have to hack/link/AV/kill everything yourself. They cant disappoint you if they never existed.
That is pretty much how I play. If we need av I'm the av, if we need logi I'm the logi, if we need a heavy, I'm the heavy, etc. etc. Majority of the players will spam one fit over and over regardless of whether or not its useful in the current match. |
J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
528
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:32:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:At this point its just best to assume its you/your squad vs 16 no matter who you actually have on the team. Blues aren't there and you have to hack/link/AV/kill everything yourself. They cant disappoint you if they never existed.
That is pretty much how I play. If we need av I'm the av, if we need logi I'm the logi, if we need a heavy, I'm the heavy, if we need a counter sniper I'm the counter sniper etc. etc. Majority of the players will spam one fit over and over regardless of whether or not it's useful in the current match. I had to explain that to a squadmate once when he laughed at me having 30 fittings. It's not that I'll die 30 times in a match I've never died that many times in a match, it's preparation. If something is happening and I need to change my strategy drastically, I have a fit for that. QFFT.
Most smurfs are to stupid to realize this. They keep coming in with the same damn fits, get slaughtered, wonder why it's not working, then give up and go snipe.
If you see something that need's doing, then do it. Don't wait for your stupid teammates. Adaptability is everything in this game.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2833
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:41:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:That doesn't bother me near as much as the trolling to be honest. If they want to hide in a corner like a little ***** that's their business. What drives me up the wall is the faggots that troll:
1. The ******* that calls in a tank at the start of the match and proceeds to smash into any dropships and LAVs he can. I'm not talking when tankers accidently smash into an LAV or an LAV is coming around a corner too fast and runs into a tank, that's absolutely understandable. I'm talking about the guys that watch their teamates call in vehicles then proceed to ram them.
2. Faction Warfare TK hazing. Again, not accidental friendly fire but when people are either intentionally handicapping your side for the other or just awoxing cuz it's cool. Left a corp for that, I advocate people having fun and not just always FOTM chasing, I'm a huge advocate of whacky builds like myrofibril stacking punch builds and what not but use it on the other team.
3. The guy that takes my LAV for a joy ride. I don't want you in my LAV when I set up to blast away at the objective or shoot at enemy AV. LAVs are actually incredibly good and can get tucked away in a corner away from the vulnerability to everything that can shoot up that the Assault Dropship has, not that I'm knocking the ADS it still has superior maneuverability and survivability. Most people wouldn't know that LAV turrets are actually quite good because there is always some ****** that will jump in your LAV and drive around like a madman ruining any chance for you to shoot something. Sometimes players jump in and actually know to stop moving, but they still lack the reaction times to saving the gunner and the time setting up is often far outweighed by the slow reaction to the gunner taking fire. In other words, just please stop getting in other players LAVs if they are sitting alone on the turret. They don't want you being their chauffeur, call down your own LAV if you want to go joyride. If this was halo where you have to climb out and into the different seats that would be one thing, but since you can teleport around, there should never be more than one person in a LAV unless it's acting as transport.
4. The guy that shoots at or punches their teammates in some effort to mime something. This one isn't a big deal and is just a pet peeve. If I can drop ammo for our team I will, and if I want to snipe from a perch I will. If you want to get the main hack bonus you should of got there first. Go do something productive like kill the enemy team.
5. Last but certainly not least, the guy that keeps reviving me into enemy fire. This shouldn't be a thing that we can't deny a respawn if its going to just lock us out from playing when two people decide to WP/Kill boost.
Edit: As a side note, sometimes I want those guys to hide though. I'm talking the guys that go 0/16. They just hurt your team. I love stealing LAVs! I mostly always wait to see if you're going to use it or not. Most don't.
If you're in the turret though, the car is mine. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:55:00 -
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I do tend to take multiple roles. most of my fits have the nanostick and I have a AV with swarmers instead of the scrambler. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
328
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:08:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:I do tend to take multiple roles. most of my fits have the nanostick and I have a AV with swarmers instead of the scrambler.
I don't put the nano stick on suits unless it's coupled with a repper on a scout or logi. Problem with the nanostick only is that unless its at least adv the amount of armor it reps is probably just going to lead to a lot of suits dying shortly after again. Its okay on minmitar and Caldari but armor tanking with Amarr or Gallente are more popular and on them the nanite injector usually ends in frustration. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
328
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:09:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:That doesn't bother me near as much as the trolling to be honest. If they want to hide in a corner like a little ***** that's their business. What drives me up the wall is the faggots that troll:
1. The ******* that calls in a tank at the start of the match and proceeds to smash into any dropships and LAVs he can. I'm not talking when tankers accidently smash into an LAV or an LAV is coming around a corner too fast and runs into a tank, that's absolutely understandable. I'm talking about the guys that watch their teamates call in vehicles then proceed to ram them.
2. Faction Warfare TK hazing. Again, not accidental friendly fire but when people are either intentionally handicapping your side for the other or just awoxing cuz it's cool. Left a corp for that, I advocate people having fun and not just always FOTM chasing, I'm a huge advocate of whacky builds like myrofibril stacking punch builds and what not but use it on the other team.
3. The guy that takes my LAV for a joy ride. I don't want you in my LAV when I set up to blast away at the objective or shoot at enemy AV. LAVs are actually incredibly good and can get tucked away in a corner away from the vulnerability to everything that can shoot up that the Assault Dropship has, not that I'm knocking the ADS it still has superior maneuverability and survivability. Most people wouldn't know that LAV turrets are actually quite good because there is always some ****** that will jump in your LAV and drive around like a madman ruining any chance for you to shoot something. Sometimes players jump in and actually know to stop moving, but they still lack the reaction times to saving the gunner and the time setting up is often far outweighed by the slow reaction to the gunner taking fire. In other words, just please stop getting in other players LAVs if they are sitting alone on the turret. They don't want you being their chauffeur, call down your own LAV if you want to go joyride. If this was halo where you have to climb out and into the different seats that would be one thing, but since you can teleport around, there should never be more than one person in a LAV unless it's acting as transport.
4. The guy that shoots at or punches their teammates in some effort to mime something. This one isn't a big deal and is just a pet peeve. If I can drop ammo for our team I will, and if I want to snipe from a perch I will. If you want to get the main hack bonus you should of got there first. Go do something productive like kill the enemy team.
5. Last but certainly not least, the guy that keeps reviving me into enemy fire. This shouldn't be a thing that we can't deny a respawn if its going to just lock us out from playing when two people decide to WP/Kill boost.
Edit: As a side note, sometimes I want those guys to hide though. I'm talking the guys that go 0/16. They just hurt your team. I love stealing LAVs! I mostly always wait to see if you're going to use it or not. Most don't. If you're in the turret though, the car is mine.
As long as you are willing to accept that you are scrubbing it up when you do that, by all means go ahead. Can't stop people trolling, can just remind you of how useless you are being. I'll be sure if I ever see you which I don't think we are in the same region anyways, I'll stear clear of you. Could give you a ride but obviously being a blueberry deters people from helping you.
Edit: That comes off as more aggressive then I meant it to be. What I mean is essentially "As long as you are willing to accept the consequences." The only ones I actually mess with are the tankers anyways that run over peoples stuff. I then follow them around in my own tank and shove them into the enemies redline and bump them upwards when they are trying to aim at things. I've gotten a couple of them killed that way. |
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
695
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:12:00 -
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It's not about the team. It's about you. Stop worrying about your team mates and your enjoyment will soar.
Peace.
A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected.
channel: blitz
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
183
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Posted - 2014.08.08 22:43:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:Litterally 12 of the 16 sat in a building shooting out and not killing a damn thing. even a bad team can take the caliber of stupid these people are. its hard to play a 4v16 game. Why do people play if they just camp and circle jerk the whole time? My squad was the only one that had any kind of imitative to do anything. we held one point best we could do with 25% of the power of the other team. Me and my trusty scrambler making them think twice about poping in to say hi luckily we had at least one heavy backing us up. the other three were camping with the turds. x.x Best advice I ever got in Dust was from my only CEO Bleeding Gums Murphy. Never count on a bluedot to do a damn thing.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
5699
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Posted - 2014.08.08 23:10:00 -
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'Those times you end up joining team no nuts.''
This happens to me a lot, me preferring solo play and not being an ace level killer.
it is pretty bad.
I've been in games where im running TOWARDS ''the city'' and i see 6-7 blues running AWAY from 'the city'...
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
282
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Posted - 2014.08.08 23:12:00 -
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its kind of pathetic.. i go slayer logi just to push up to the objective and lay down supplies and uplinks so those retards can PTFO but NOOOOO there is one little tank or one little ADS in the way.. they dont realise they could insta blap them if they all switched to heavy forgeunner and aimed at the same target.. or even swarm launcher.. then switch back PTFO and win...
that said.. i just had an excellent game not too many vehicles nor proto punks or even scrub cloaky scouts and.. not even a redline sniper to be seen!.. and it came down to each team having like less then 5 clones left and 1 single bar each on MCC armor.. damn good round!.
> LogiBro in Training
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
331
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Posted - 2014.08.10 16:37:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:its kind of pathetic.. i go slayer logi just to push up to the objective and lay down supplies and uplinks so those retards can PTFO but NOOOOO there is one little tank or one little ADS in the way.. they dont realise they could insta blap them if they all switched to heavy forgeunner and aimed at the same target.. or even swarm launcher.. then switch back PTFO and win...
that said.. i just had an excellent game not too many vehicles nor proto punks or even scrub cloaky scouts and.. not even a redline sniper to be seen!.. and it came down to each team having like less then 5 clones left and 1 single bar each on MCC armor.. damn good round!.
Pretty much this, I hate the games where literally one tank or dropship wrecks your team because your teammates figure if they ignore it, it will go away!
I blame the overwhelming amount of bad advice that was good in beta but continues to get perpetuated. IE the new guys are pumping cores, (Which isn't a bad idea), and then pumping one fit to proto (Which is a bad idea), so for months they are literally useless in 90% of the matches due to inflexibility.
Rushing for dat +400 ehp and dat 3% less dispersion and 2% more damage on dat proto weapon isn't going to help when the scout shotguns your face off, heavy mows you down, or vehicles blasts you to pieces. This is 95% of your enemy, so you should skill accordingly. Besides nextt hotfix your proto fit my blow chunks anyways.
At this point, with you at 2mil SP and your opponents at 50+ mil sp, versatility = specialty. |
Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:38:00 -
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This is all well and great if you have a lot of sp. If you don't, not really many different fits you can make. And please don't tell them to use that **** militia av fit that can't kill a decent tank even with 5 people. |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2441
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:20:00 -
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KDR matchmaking fixes this.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1864
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:29:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR matchmaking fixes this.
no it does not. You can utterly spoof KDR matchmaking by being a redline twit. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4222
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:02:00 -
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This crap makes me go to team chat and rage.
I just don't understand the point in playing. It would be like turning on Gran Tourismo and not driving fast.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
337
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:22:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:This is all well and great if you have a lot of sp. If you don't, not really many different fits you can make. And please don't tell them to use that **** militia av fit that can't kill a decent tank even with 5 people.
I'll give you a fit that is roughly 2.7k isk and if enough players use it IE 5 it will blow apart any vehicle in no time:
Step 1. Pick out your favorite militia heavy suit. Step 2. Fit it with one militia heavy damage mod and some militia rep if you can. Step 3. Put a militia forge gun on the fit. Step 4. Put a militia smg or scrambler pistol (whichever you prefer) on the fit. Step 5. Slap on some AV grenades if you can or just don't worry about the grenade slot (Not a big deal) Step 6. ????? Step 7. Profit!
or for those that don't like fatties: Step 1. Pick out your favorite Light or Medium militia suit. Step 2. Fit it with whatever modules you feel will help you whether it's speed or survival. Step 3. Put a militia Plasma Cannon on the fit. Step 4. Put a militia smg or scrambler pistol (whichever you prefer) on the fit. Step 5. Slap on some AV grenades if you can or just don't worry about the grenade slot (Not a big deal) Step 6. ????? Step 7. Profit!
If you are fighting dropships stick to the forge gun fit as swarms and plasma cannons are useless against seasoned pilots.
The problem that newberry av has is as the person I quoted astutely pointed out, militia swarms are garbage. Don't use them, in fact don't ever use swarm launchers unless you are packing the proto launchers. Swarm launchers are pretty useless in their current form and because of their auto locking potential the most absurd weapon to balance. In the past when they were stronger, they rendered vehicles pointless, so there isn't much that can be done without hurting av/vehicle balance.
So I'll reiterate, when someone says use av, they specifically do not mean your ****** frontline/militia swarmer. They actually mean the other av options that exist even to someone with no sp. For balance reasons your militia forge/plc isn't going to ohko vehicles (Because my proto forge would **** all vehicles if the militia variants were potent enough) but since anyone and I mean literally anyone can fit a militia forge or plasma cannon there is no reason a focused assault couldn't wreck tanks. If players were not so lazy tanks would never stop QQing until all forms of av are abolished. Why? Because tanks are massive targets that when the players aren't brain dead, will get focus fired to death as long as av is viable.
Versatility is key, I use militia gear plenty to great effect, it's laziness that leads to teams getting rolled by a single tank or drop ship. And if the enemy team spams vehicles it only makes sense that half your team would spam av, but I rarely see people think in matches with their brains and just spam the same fit over and over.
It's a compounding problem when your team doesn't use its brain, because at the end of the day, 3 guys thinking real hard will get trashed every time if their 13 teammates pick their noses the whole match. It happens time and time again. |
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
638
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:43:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:This is all well and great if you have a lot of sp. If you don't, not really many different fits you can make. And please don't tell them to use that **** militia av fit that can't kill a decent tank even with 5 people. Respectfully, I disagree. This is exactly what Militia fits are for -- it's better to bring in a low-level relevant mil fit than an irrelevant proto fit most of the time.
On this toon J4yne, he's primarily a logi, but I have a number of fits that are completely mil -- Cal forge gun, for instance, scout fittings with uplinks, and some mil tank and DS fittings. Granted, my mil forge fitting is nowhere near as effective as my Prof 5 Kaal forge fit on my heavy toon Punch, but it's still better than spawning in with an irrelevant fit. If more mercs weren't afraid to switch out when necessary, a bunch of low-level fits suddenly become effective, due to force multiplication.
I think that most mercs think that when the going gets tough, they need to start spawning in with their best stuff. But that's not always the case.
The most important thing to develop in this game is situation awareness, something which (I personally think) has been lost in the last 6 months or so after Fanfest, when a lot of beta vets decided to move on. 'Situation awareness' is the in-the-moment awareness of how the enemy team is currently kicking your ass, and what needs to be done to effectively counter it. Development of this skill is the most important asset to acquire -- it frequently (not always) beats gear. The reason is that it allows you to frequently get the drop on the enemy, because they either weren't aware of the counter, or are too engrossed with protostomping 'bloodlust' to be able to switch gears in time to realize what is happening and counter back. It's also not an easy thing to acquire, because it's easy to get lost in the heat of battle or frustration -- but the skill allows you to step out of that and examine objectively what the current situation is, and how to improve it. It is, honestly, the most valuable skill to have.
I'm basically talking about the ability to outplay your opponent. I know it may seem impossible when you are getting stomped, but it is possible -- when the enemy is trying to overrun you with vehicles, I've spawned crappy mil tanks and taken them out, before they even knew what hit them. I've flanked better equipped squads in mil fittings, and been able to take a few with me -- and my gun game is by no means the best; it's all due to flanking and surprising the enemy when they least suspect you.
If you are getting stomped, try anything else, even if you think it's crazy. Anything is better than spawning in with the same damn fitting you know won't work. If half the people who give up and snipe instead started playing with classes outside their comfort zone, this game (and everyone's experience of it) would improve greatly.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
9151
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:54:00 -
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For realz though. I had a team earlier that was just awful. I dropped a bunch of links, they spawned on them, but didn't do anything! Meanwhile I was taking the point and killing a **** ton of people. 40ish kills, 8 deaths, and 4000 war points. At least we won. :\
King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3107
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:02:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:because dust has the biggest population of pussys of any FPS game. Ehh.. Can't argue with that. Well maybe cod, corner camping shotguns .
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.08.11 07:52:00 -
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To be honest it doesn't feel like winning when your team makes you win like that. It feels like getting a tooth pulled. You don't like it but you did what was needed. Sometimes you scrape by other times you get pounded into the ground. Honestly I see people stare out one window sometimes like they have no idea what getting flanked it or even dumber they see you doing well and assume you can take all 16 people by yourself. its a team game act like it people. x.x |
xavier zor
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 11:25:00 -
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PET HATES: When I empty a clip using my GLU-5 Tactical AR on somebody, pull out my submachine gun and just as I pull it out...+25 kill assist. The noob with 7 deaths gets his first kill, stolen.
Also those who revive you into enemy fire....way to ruin a good Kill/Death AND if playing ambush good way to lose a game. Whenever I do it I have ALWAYS cleared the are first. Then check for cloaked shotgun faggots and revive.
Last and least, cloak shotgun pussies. Why go invisible?? And shoot at point blank range to kill somebody!?!! In my opinion they have no kill and are to ***** to 1v1 somebody. It is a nice strategy but a lot of people hate it.
I would respect someone who killed me when I had a big advantage over them. Always happens when I shoot someone with 1 bullet left in clip, he turns around and fucks me up when I am reloading :( >:( |
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