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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:46:00 -
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First of all, I'm sorry if this in the wrong section.
How does the smg compare with the light weapons, specifically the combat rifle? I ask because I want to fit knives in my primary slot so that I can access them quickly from cloak. The weapon wheel is just too faffy. Obviously I can't put the Combat Rifle in my sidearm slot, so I'm asking how does the smg compare with it? Is the range and dps similar (for the acr)? Is the smg viable to use as a sort of 'light weapon in a sidearm slot'? Does anybody have any experience with using the smg as a main? If so, how does it work for you? Is it as effective as a light weapon?
Thanks!
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2285
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:52:00 -
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Things may have been tweaked recently, but from my experience the SMG is a buzzsaw. smg/knife fits are pretty effective.
This baller has some great videos featuring them.
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
285
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:57:00 -
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In my experience, an assault SMG is a solid CQC weapon, but it simply doesn't have the range of any of the rifles. I assume you'll be using sidearm damage mods, so your SMG should tear people up at close range.. The DPS of the two is fairly comparable, just remember you're giving up ~20-25m in effective range by swapping out an aCR in favor of an SMG. During the sidearm event, I used a dual assault SMG fit to good effect. You won't have much diversity in the range you can engage targets from (close and closer), but the SMG works fine as a main weapon inside compounds, closed sockets, etc. |
Spectre-M
The Generals
Anime Empire.
608
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Posted - 2014.08.08 15:58:00 -
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If you're using knives, having a longer range weapon is better. If you're close enough and you're spotted, you'll want a better secondary than an SMG.
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Vulpes Dolosus
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1811
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:02:00 -
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If you want a more reliable weapon at range, use the Magsec. It functions similarly to the SMG but has better range. Downsides are the charge up time, shallow clip, longish reload, and higher fitting requirements. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1257
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:03:00 -
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SMG's will always be my go to weapon.
Went 25/0 on a match yesterday with them and 5 knife kills.
The key is knowing the effective range. Don't try to outperform rifles at distance. I see that all too often.
Also watch out for Amarr sentinels. Their resistances can surprise you if you don't have high proficiency to counteract it.
I prefer to keep SMG in primary though. In a pinch its easier to switch to. I don't want to be surprised and have to cycle out the knives first.
Edit:
All this is map dependant though. You'll never catch me on Manus Peak with SMG's
"The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun"
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:05:00 -
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Bite the bullet and learn how to deal with the selection wheel.
Eventually it won't be too bad.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:09:00 -
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If you get your SMG SS up to level 5 you will have decent range with the Assault variants. You may not be able to kill someone at extreme range but you can back them off and evade. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:11:00 -
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I run nova knives and smg as my main fit on my min scout. As long as you upgrade them both fully with profi skills to 5 and the smg sharpshooter skill to 5 it is very deadly at range. It has a lower effective range then the cr but its just as deadly.
My main fit usaully looks something like this
Minmtar Scout MK.0
proto nova knives
proto assault smg
flux nade
1 complex shield extender
1 complex side arm damage mod
1 complex range/persion mod ( forget which goes on the shield side )
1 complex dampner
1 complex feroscale armor plate ( little extra hp with no movement penelity )
1 advanced reper
1 adv r/e
1 adv/proto cloak
with this build i can usually see every thing and hide from eveything eWAR related, while having a little extra hp and doing great damage with both my weapon.
Before anyone says i can't fit all that proto stuff i have maxed out fitting skills, and if i wanted to i could fit a advanced flux nade on my suit for the shield tankers. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2691
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:48:00 -
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I've actually found the SMG has surprisingly good range when aiming down the sights. I mean the best way to see is to try out a Standard one yourself and see if performs how you like. |
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:04:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:If you want a more reliable weapon at range, use the Magsec. It functions similarly to the SMG but has better range. Downsides are the charge up time, shallow clip, longish reload, and higher fitting requirements.
Don't use the magsec, thats for caldari scum. SMG is a beast.
Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
279
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:11:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:First of all, I'm sorry if this in the wrong section.
How does the smg compare with the light weapons, specifically the combat rifle? I ask because I want to fit knives in my primary slot so that I can access them quickly from cloak. The weapon wheel is just too faffy. Obviously I can't put the Combat Rifle in my sidearm slot, so I'm asking how does the smg compare with it? Is the range and dps similar (for the acr)? Is the smg viable to use as a sort of 'light weapon in a sidearm slot'? Does anybody have any experience with using the smg as a main? If so, how does it work for you? Is it as effective as a light weapon?
Thanks!
firstly SMG is a great weapon but only the assault variants are worth useing but they are at L4 and L5 but NEED sharpshooter to tighten the spread and gain some effective range..it has a sight unlike magsec which only has ironsights.
magsec is the Cheaper(SP) alternative with more dps then standard (non assault) SMGs at L1 L3 and L5.. needs less SP spent as it already has long range and tight spread.. only thing it lacks is a Scope/sight. costs less CPU but slightly more PG then SMG
hope this helps
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RayRay James
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
342
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:15:00 -
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I have a new suit I've been playing with that is 2x SMGs on a scout suit
Nothing like running through a full clip only to pop up another full clip instantly
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
316
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:18:00 -
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I always end up getting people with my SMG rather than my main weapon for some reason. Toxin FTW!
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2833
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:36:00 -
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It's SUPER effective! |
Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
311
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:42:00 -
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OP the smg doesn't work well at all.
Nothing to see here.
This isn't the sidearm you are looking for.
Move along, move along.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1469
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:44:00 -
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My new thing is knives and a bolt pistol!
Smg is wicked and mines fully maxed out but nothing says FAKU like a proficient bolt one shot in the head from 60 m out!
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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Michael Arck
5200
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:57:00 -
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Trust me brother, you want to skill up the SMG. It is very very good as a secondary.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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mollerz
4762
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Posted - 2014.08.08 18:59:00 -
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I like the sound it makes as it cuts into armor.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
219
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:10:00 -
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Breach smg is my go to sidearm. Slower rof comes out to higher accuracy. Less spray & pray, more shots on target.
Burning through clones like Rusty Venture.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
180
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:31:00 -
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2Berries wrote:Breach smg is my go to sidearm. Slower rof comes out to higher accuracy. Less spray & pray, more shots on target.
Breach is ok but the slow RoF is quite a draw back, while you hit me with 1 bullet i can hit you with 3-4-5 bullets in the same time as your 1. so the damage is quite different in the long run. |
mollerz
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Posted - 2014.08.08 23:46:00 -
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Breach is good outside of CQC. Otherwise it's a liability.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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