Are the scouts, logistics, and commandos going to get new slot layouts according to that matrix? Or just assault and sentinel for now?

disappointed that module efficacy bonuses could've replaced straight ewar bonuses

I don't understand if Large blaster dispersion is getting nerfed or if small blaster dispersion is getting nerfed, the numbers are without units...

Are im on drugs or did i just saw a militia HMG in the spreadsheet?

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You're still here with us!
Any word on Vehicles in Ambush OMS?

The PG on a min scout is still not there despite these meager changes.

On the slot layout table for sentinels, prototype suits are standardized to 4 slots as standard assaults? or is that an error?

No change for heavy damage mods?
Also you nerfed the assualt scrambler? Who complains about it?
Also on your Dropsuit graph it shows caldari has only 109 armor currently, but it has 120 currently
Concerning the balacs, who has those? I've never seen one.
Also Good for the increase orbitals
You're killing me with caldari heavy cpu/pg nerf, gotta change my AV fit and don't even get a low slot till proto... but i guess since SL got a buff/nerfI outta use them more now. No real reason to use proto,100 damage above adv wouldn't really be worth money.

Forgot to add how grateful I am for installation reps, also please explain to me what AI range is? why is it at 75m?

Of all the weapons to tweak, you chose the assault scrambler?? Arguably the most balanced rifle in the game and you nerf it?


Ok.........seems to me people need to get their priorities straight...(yes, I'm pointing to you combat rifle...) >.>

I am pretty pessimistic about this update. Alpha and Bravo were marked by bringing very conservative changes to things that were obviously imbalanced. Charlie is making very aggressive changes to things that are not clearly imbalanced but in need of tweaking. Page by page.

Assaults Dropsuit changes-needed and seems to be in line with what is needed.

Sentinel Dropsuit-WTF? dropping CPU and PG by 40 or 50% is drastic. Yes, they needed to be nerfed in fitting ability but only a 15% change or so was called for.

Scout suits- IDK, the subtleties of ewar I will leave to others, what is clear is that the suit most in need of change, the Min suit, with the easiest change to make, adding PG, was left out in the cold, establishing it clearly as the worst scout suit in the game.

Various-Seems OK to me.

Vehicles-Increasing shields by 500? Why? Bad idea that will haunt us all. Increased recall time is a small improvement. Entry/exit time is more important but we have gone over that as not being fixable.

Slot layout- IDK

Dropsuit eHP-Looks fine to me

Weapons-Like the changes to 4 missiles and leveling of the tiers but the nerf to proto was completely unnecessary, it makes proto pretty much pointless. HMG changes, well, we'll see. I like the approach.

Turrets-Seems Ok.

Modules-I think the greater difference in tier for damage mods was needed. Why not Heavy Damage Mods though?

Turrets-Yes, and something I have long advocated. HP on installations seems excessive to me though, but after clamoring for this change since I started the game I don't feel I can criticize it.

My personal opinion on this is that you seem to have a grudge against me personally this update. I am pretty close to a dedicated AV guy. My forge suit will be much harder to fit now and I don't know if I can make it both effective and survivable. My nemesis, the Python, will be made 500 shield points harder to kill, while I find them near impossible to kill already. My swarm suit will be getting a significant nerf as well. While I have spent a lot of time and SP investing on going AV, anyone willing to go to ADV swarms will now essentially be as effective as I am. While I approve of the turrets, they will now also be competing with me for AV points, so there will be much less incentive for me to run AV and be killable by everyone else on the field. In short, this update seems poised to hurt the only playstyle I truly enjoy.

why has the caldari sentinel slot layout changed, exactly? I think the suit was just fine with 4 highs, since it's frakking pointless to stack 4 damage mods in highs and they need the shield buffer. I'm currently getting shield regen and regulation up and was hoping that the suits would not become more viable for dual-tank. with the shift to minmatar slot layouts it might be more effective to drop a pair of reactive armors in the lows instead of regulators. This is bad. Dualtanking should be harder please, especially with suits that have nightmarishly large shield buffers.

Second: why were Heavy Damage mods capped at 5%? They're pretty crappy (to the point of near-worthlessness), and there are weapon variants (Assault HMG) that utterly lack efficacy because of it, and the boundless isn't going to kill much faster. maybe .02 seconds. I'm not noticing much difference in efficacy between a caldari sentinel with three damage mods and an amarr sent with 1 damage mods in actual combat situations. In both cases it still takes the same number of shots to kill each class of vehicle.

PG/CPU adjustments I'm bluntly happy with, encouraging heavies to fit accordingly weapon-wise is a good thing.

Assault buffs: MASSIVE GORRAM BUFFS! Bout goddamn time. I should fear running into a full squad of caldari shield suits with my tub of ice cream and HMG. This may cause it. Hopefully the buffs balance out well. Are the Templar and ancient basic BPOs being adjusted accordingly?

Swarms: Pretty much get a damage nerf at the proto level. I understand the light damage mods are getting a buff but are the numbers really that high? The performance of swarms is largely lackluster so far. Not as bad as four patches ago, but still lacking. Especially for a weapon class that cannot be targeted at anything smaller than an LAV. I can blap infantry with the forge.

Heat increase for HMG: Will test, not bitching because I can hold that trigger down for damn near ever currently, want to see how the dynamic changes.

Proto HMG reduction in range: Meh. again, will see if the dynamic changes.

Assault Scrambler: Why was the heat increased? Bluntly the weapon is underused if anything. I see that weapon in play rarely at best.

Reactive plates: My gut says the armor rating on them should be 80 at PRO, not 60. Will test.

Dropship shields: Are we going to be introducing shield-cracking AV weapons that can HIT a dropship? You have to be a dumbass for a plasma cannon to connect.

Recall times: You just sealed the fate of a lot of tanks. Thank you.

Loyalty point increases: Please tell me you've increased the base payouts for losing teams as well. currently there is little reason to play FW on sides that habitually lose. Further: Heavy Weapons, Sentinels, Commandos and scouts are almost entirely unrepresented in FW stores. I want assault suits like I want a hole in the head.

Damage before overheat on the Assault SCR is at 1,787.5

For reference:
The AR's damage per clip is 2099.4.
The ACR's damage per clip is 1,400.8.
The ARR's damage per clip is 1,680.



As you can see, the ASCR isn't far behind at all, it's only beaten by the AR, but compared to the AR it has a better ADS, tighter hipfire, faster reloads and around 30~ more meters of range.

And if you regulate your fire, the damage output is at 2,574.

Introducing a militia hmg will only encourage the continued spam of heavy suits. Heavies should continue being a very specialized and heavy SP costing endeavor for an individual to use in any battle.

Granted with the new buffs to assaults, it may not matter if a militia variant is released but I'm a little apprehensive at the moment without experiencing the new dynamics come hot fix Charlie.

What you are not going to change it to a 3-2 layout on proto? God damnit and there i was saving SP for regulators and hoping for a quick recharging shield heavy. I really wanted that 1.6 recharge delay and 0.5 depleted. Ah well there goes my hope and im not gonna us a regulator on my caldari sentinel.

So.... back to Uprising 1.0-1.6 for vehicle vs. AV but kinda ****** vehicle combat as well? kk.

EDIT: Oh, I see that you're putting further nerfs to blasters, as well as making turrets even harder to kill, without taking the AI away. Good job. This is why I can't play dust anymore. Bullshit like this.

Now, I don't know if this was asked or not, but in terms of the AI range, I'm a bit confused. It says the range is 75 meters. Does that mean turrets won't fire on you at all if you're out of that range? Will they start firing on you immediately once you enter that range? If you shoot a rail turret from 80 meters out with a forge gun, will it fire on you, or do you have to enter its' effective range before it does anything?

Rattati please consider increasing the HP for Minmatar Sentinel, there's really not much reason to use it other than chasing Assaults and low EHP Heavies. Giving it 450 Shields with 410 Armor would be fair and it should convince more people to skill into it.

Putting down my drink again :

Would CCP Rattati or the Community be against putting in a AUR/LP variant of the Caldari Heavy Suit with the proposed 3 High and 2 Low Caldari Sentinel CK.0? I know it just got removed a few posts ago, but think about it for community testing purposes. It would be interesting to see something different we could choose to spent AUR or LP. That AUR and LP can be used to test a prototyped design variant. Don't add any new skins or anything just the new prototype item with the 3 / 2 layout.