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DMH Bond
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:18:00 -
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Sooooo im a logi and i have to ask CCP, what is the drawback to being a scout again? They're fast as hell, strafe like nothing else and can tank to rediculousness. an 800 or 900 eHP am scout really? just asking. lol |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:22:00 -
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DMH Bond wrote:Sooooo im a logi and i have to ask CCP, what is the drawback to being a scout again? They're fast as hell, strafe like nothing else and can tank to rediculousness. an 800 or 900 eHP am scout really? just asking. lol
They can fit a rep tool too. ;)
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:23:00 -
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Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something.
-~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~-
Markiplier fan.
Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:25:00 -
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Drawback is 249 HP
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:27:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something.
That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going?
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:28:00 -
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DMH Bond wrote:Sooooo im a logi and i have to ask CCP, what is the drawback to being a scout again? They're fast as hell, strafe like nothing else and can tank to rediculousness. an 800 or 900 eHP am scout really? just asking. lol
EHP.
A tanked scout looses all of its advantages except for the Slight E-war they possess and cloak.
I say slight because any tanked scout can be avoided by dampened scouts and detected by precision enhanced ones.
Cloak is not that much of an advantage if you cant move fast.
a 800 HP scout will run very slow, so where is the danger of that?
Running slow while having less EHP than medframes and Heavies? Pfft.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Vethosis
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:29:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something.
we're still op |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:31:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going?
Or less. My Gal scout Gk.0 has 2 precision enhancers, 2 radar range amps, 2 profile damps, thats exactly NO EHP modules.
This is around 240ish EHP,a Scout that costs 190k....
$ is the drawback, and the fact that if you want to fully run E-war/Speed tank you need to sacrifice a lot of tank,probably run proto for full efficiency...so much than 2 bursts of a basic Combat rifle kills you.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:34:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going?
Hit detection makes things harder for scouts.
Hitbox doesnt matter. You can aim/ pray and spray dont you?
You have 4 eq, whats the point?
And lastly. Scout can be killed by anything in blink of a eye.
-~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~-
Markiplier fan.
Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:34:00 -
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DMH Bond wrote:Sooooo im a logi and i have to ask CCP, what is the drawback to being a scout again? They're fast as hell, strafe like nothing else and can tank to rediculousness. an 800 or 900 eHP am scout really? just asking. lol
They aren't both fast as hell AND tanking to 800 or 900.
That being said, the HP tanking is an issue, and I think it is being slowly remedied, starting with Charlie.
This is how a minja feels
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DMH Bond
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:38:00 -
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first off, please dont lecture me a full proto min logi about ISK. you dont know ISK pain.
secondly, when I constantly run into tanked out scouts that strafe like no ones business and wildly small hit box then youll find no sympathy here. and its funny that something that "slow" can still move that fast huh. smh.  |
Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Drawback is 249 HP
You're practically a heavy!
My take on 514:
Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:40:00 -
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It seems as if people need to be reminded that if the player can negate it, it's not a weakness.
For example, Assault users can't complain about having low HP because they can fit their suit to negate their low base HP; in the same sense that a Sentinel can't complain about having low speed because when their outside of their niche, they can use LAVs to negate that speed.
If I don't, who will?
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Mr Hakyou
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:40:00 -
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.... you can't be fast and be massively tanked. |
BLOOD Ruler
The Lionheart Coalition
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:42:00 -
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What scout are you talking about,the min scouts because that is a joke sense they have the lowest,or the amarr but they are allowed to do that sense they are a light assault.Only one I see is bad is caldari(but not if their shield tanking)and gallente(but not if their armored tanking)because their bonus is voided.
Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
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DMH Bond
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:48:00 -
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ok. then why the high tanking and high strafing speed. the heavy argument means nothing. they are another problem in themselves. high eHP, resistances out the azz, the highest flexibility with weapon choice, bla bla bla.
i look at the forums once in a while and i already know that im not the only one that believes that the med fits get sh#tted on. the assaulters are extremely pissed. the scout fit has become the new assaulter fit. no youre not supposed to be able to tank and be fast at the same time, but tanking and being as fast as an assaulter or faster is an issue. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:52:00 -
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DMH Bond wrote:ok. then why the high tanking and high strafing speed. the heavy argument means nothing. they are another problem in themselves. high eHP, resistances out the azz, the highest flexibility with weapon choice, bla bla bla.
i look at the forums once in a while and i already know that im not the only one that believes that the med fits get sh#tted on. the assaulters are extremely pissed. the scout fit has become the new assaulter fit. no youre not supposed to be able to tank and be fast at the same time, but tanking and being as fast as an assaulter or faster is an issue.
Med frames will be buffed soon. Assaults be assaulting again.
People will still whine.
The fact people cry like scrubs about something doesnt mean they are right.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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DMH Bond
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:55:00 -
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you did see the "eat my azz" part right. cool. you can proceed |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:56:00 -
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If you stopped by the forums more often you would know Rattati is looking into make a scout specific penalty on armor plates.
Possibly in Delta.
This is how a minja feels
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
249
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:57:00 -
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DMH Bond wrote:ok. then why the high tanking and high strafing speed. the heavy argument means nothing. they are another problem in themselves. high eHP, resistances out the azz, the highest flexibility with weapon choice, bla bla bla.
i look at the forums once in a while and i already know that im not the only one that believes that the med fits get sh#tted on. the assaulters are extremely pissed. the scout fit has become the new assaulter fit. no youre not supposed to be able to tank and be fast at the same time, but tanking and being as fast as an assaulter or faster is an issue.
If youre calling 300-400ehp tanking, youre a moron.
If scout have massive hp and speed.. how about you use scanner? No dams, easy kill.
Side note. Charged ScR OHk most scouts.
About isks (and sp). To play as a good scout you need more sp than logi needs. Also scout fit costs from 120-180isks.
You sit behind wall of meat (sentiniel).
We die more often if we want to achive our goal.
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Markiplier fan.
Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.05 02:59:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:DMH Bond wrote:ok. then why the high tanking and high strafing speed. the heavy argument means nothing. they are another problem in themselves. high eHP, resistances out the azz, the highest flexibility with weapon choice, bla bla bla.
i look at the forums once in a while and i already know that im not the only one that believes that the med fits get sh#tted on. the assaulters are extremely pissed. the scout fit has become the new assaulter fit. no youre not supposed to be able to tank and be fast at the same time, but tanking and being as fast as an assaulter or faster is an issue. If youre calling 300-400ehp tanking, youre a moron. If scout have massive hp and speed.. how about you use scanner? No dams, easy kill. Side note. Charged ScR OHk most scouts. About isks (and sp). To play as a good scout you need more sp than logi needs. Also scout fit costs from 120-180isks. You sit behind wall of meat (sentiniel). We die more often if we want to achive our goal.
TRue:
I can check all my fittings and at PROTO level the MOST EHP i have is 160 Shields and 260 armor, thats, 420 EHP at 8.4 speed.
THIS IS NOT HP TANKING, yet people fail to 1HKO me with any weapon and whine, OMG So speed,much invisible so Tanker,VERY OP....
people are just trying to hide their shame. they know they got owned by a dude with 300-400 HP and the only thing they think is: It must be OP.
Instead of: im a moron.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:04:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mejt0 wrote:DMH Bond wrote:ok. then why the high tanking and high strafing speed. the heavy argument means nothing. they are another problem in themselves. high eHP, resistances out the azz, the highest flexibility with weapon choice, bla bla bla.
i look at the forums once in a while and i already know that im not the only one that believes that the med fits get sh#tted on. the assaulters are extremely pissed. the scout fit has become the new assaulter fit. no youre not supposed to be able to tank and be fast at the same time, but tanking and being as fast as an assaulter or faster is an issue. If youre calling 300-400ehp tanking, youre a moron. If scout have massive hp and speed.. how about you use scanner? No dams, easy kill. Side note. Charged ScR OHk most scouts. About isks (and sp). To play as a good scout you need more sp than logi needs. Also scout fit costs from 120-180isks. You sit behind wall of meat (sentiniel). We die more often if we want to achive our goal. TRue: I can check all my fittings and at PROPTO level the MOST EHP i have is 160 Shields and 260 armor, thats, 420 EHP at 8.4 speed.
THIS IS NOT HP TANKING, yet people fail to 1HKO me with any weapon and whine, OMG So speed,much invisible so Tanker,VERY OP....
Even funnier.
I run with 308shields + 87armor with mass driver and nova knives.
Try to play that op (guy who started this thread). Lets see how you manage that OP beast called scout :3.
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Markiplier fan.
Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
2955
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:18:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going? Hit detection makes things harder for scouts. Hitbox doesnt matter. You can aim/ pray and spray dont you? You have 4 eq, whats the point? And lastly. Scout can be killed by anything in blink of a eye.
I run assault but nice try.. If you didn't know assaults have 1 eq. A scout can kill anything in a blink of an eye as well. Don't miss with your shotgun
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:24:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going? Hit detection makes things harder for scouts. Hitbox doesnt matter. You can aim/ pray and spray dont you? You have 4 eq, whats the point? And lastly. Scout can be killed by anything in blink of a eye. I run assault but nice try.. If you didn't know assaults have 1 eq. A scout can kill anything in a blink of an eye as well. Don't miss with your shotgun
Assuming SHOTGUN works in EVERY map,and EVERY area,like Rifles do....
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
2955
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:33:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going? Hit detection makes things harder for scouts. Hitbox doesnt matter. You can aim/ pray and spray dont you? You have 4 eq, whats the point? And lastly. Scout can be killed by anything in blink of a eye. I run assault but nice try.. If you didn't know assaults have 1 eq. A scout can kill anything in a blink of an eye as well. Don't miss with your shotgun Assuming SHOTGUN works in EVERY map,and EVERY area,like Rifles do....
I'm just returning the favor considering he assumed I use a logi to make his point.. Sorry but I'm not chasing fotm I have all 4 assaults proto 
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:56:00 -
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I'm just returning the favor considering he assumed I use a logi to make his point.. Sorry but I'm not chasing fotm I have all 4 assaults proto [/quote]
Im not saying you are a FOTM chaser BUT:
You sure do look good in this patch. But for people like me, well, Assaults have ALWAYS been the FOTM. Just because they got surpassed by scouts and heavies in ONE version of the game doesnt make them that less FOTM.
As soon as they get buffed most people go back to it...
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
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Posted - 2014.08.05 04:14:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going?
Since when does Nyain San care about balance or drawbacks? You all have been masters of exploiting the most OP **** in this game since I got here. Hell just keep doing it, dont stop now. Its almost over.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.05 05:22:00 -
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aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Drawbacks?
How about that 300ehp, and everything one shoot you.
Play as a scout. Then think when you write something. That's a good one.. 300hp? Even if you fit it like that the hit detection being off even a little with your small hitbox makes them hard to kill plus the speed, 2 equipment slots. Should I keep going? Since when does Nyain San care about balance or drawbacks? You all have been masters of exploiting the most OP **** in this game since I got here. Hell just keep doing it, dont stop now. Its almost over.
Since I stepped in with my assault suits, go away care bear
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.05 06:08:00 -
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People (scrubs) complaining about squishy people. Too funny. If a 'scout' has 800hp (also scrub) he would be extremely slow.
So if you opened your eyes or got good headphones so you can hear footsteps you could counter him easily.
Just telling.
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Full time scout, part time logi, full time awesome mute, full time autistic
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Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
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Posted - 2014.08.05 06:22:00 -
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For that % decrease in speed how many KinCats PG/CPU and SP would it take to get that as a positive increase ie
20% decrease in speed is going to take about 3 proto KinCats to get a +20%
My take on 514:
Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
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