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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.05 01:26:00 -
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Now is it just me or has the breach mass drvier not been broken since closed beta? I mean i can hit a medium suit in the face and it does not kill them at all, sh!t it just about gets through half their armor.
Am I doing it wrong, I mean when you get hit in the face with an exploding round you would expect to get your head blown off . Even if i hit them in the chest it does not kill them on impact.
I'm not wearing anything less then a proto minmtar commando suit so i get the extra passive damage from it as well as using a couple of damage mods as well with a core breach mass driver with profi 5, so im doing max damage that it can do but it still doesn't kill anything with a direct hit to the head or chest.
The numbers just don't add up
core breach mass driver with profi 5 = 584.43 direct damage + 10% ( minmtar commando bonus ) = 642.87 + 9.56% ( 2 x complex damage mods ) = 704.33 total damage.
How can that not kill a medium suit with a direct head shot? |
Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4858
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Posted - 2014.08.05 01:30:00 -
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ive ohk'd a medium suit
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
169
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Posted - 2014.08.05 01:34:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:ive ohk'd a medium suit
But how often does it happen? It happens like 1 out of every 30 kills for me. |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.08.05 05:17:00 -
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The only thing I can think of is that what the server registered was different to what you saw
AKA
massive latency
I'll see you guys on Legion when the Steambox is released
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pegasis prime
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.05 06:52:00 -
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Because of its higher direct hit dammage the breech md variants are actually quite good as a support av wepon. Iv blown countless lavs and aided in the destruction of many tanks and low flying dropships with the adv breech md .
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.08.05 06:58:00 -
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I have used the breach more for anti vehicle purposes; while it wont kill many vehicles it can make quite a few vehicles regret sticking around too long.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4863
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Posted - 2014.08.05 07:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I have used the breach more for anti vehicle purposes; while it wont kill many vehicles it can make quite a few vehicles regret sticking around too long.
Yeah but they nerfed vehicle efficiency so it's definitely not it's purpose.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
169
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I have used the breach more for anti vehicle purposes; while it wont kill many vehicles it can make quite a few vehicles regret sticking around too long.
Okay but that has nothing to do with what I'm asking, why is it that a medium suit can take a maxed damage breach md to the face and walk away, not only is it 700+ damage plus the head shot bonus, the person that I hit should be in microscopic bits and pieces being scraped off the ground, not be able to fire back at me |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
16126
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:22:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I have used the breach more for anti vehicle purposes; while it wont kill many vehicles it can make quite a few vehicles regret sticking around too long. Okay but that has nothing to do with what I'm asking, why is it that a medium suit can take a maxed damage breach md to the face and walk away, not only is it 700+ damage plus the head shot bonus, the person that I hit should be in microscopic bits and pieces being scraped off the ground, not be able to fire back at me
Overall the entire family is a suppression weapon; still wrecks up heavies. Had a heavy play murder taxi against me the other day empty the mag at him while playing ring around the lav and finished him off with the combat rifle before he got his hmg on me. Breaches you just have to be more precise with.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
171
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:843-Vika wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I have used the breach more for anti vehicle purposes; while it wont kill many vehicles it can make quite a few vehicles regret sticking around too long. Okay but that has nothing to do with what I'm asking, why is it that a medium suit can take a maxed damage breach md to the face and walk away, not only is it 700+ damage plus the head shot bonus, the person that I hit should be in microscopic bits and pieces being scraped off the ground, not be able to fire back at me Overall the entire family is a suppression weapon; still wrecks up heavies. Had a heavy play murder taxi against me the other day empty the mag at him while playing ring around the lav and finished him off with the combat rifle before he got his hmg on me. Breaches you just have to be more precise with.
How much more precise you have to be at 30m and getting a head shot on the red dot and have him laugh it off?
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4876
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Overall the entire family is a suppression weapon; still wrecks up heavies. Had a heavy play murder taxi against me the other day empty the mag at him while playing ring around the lav and finished him off with the combat rifle before he got his hmg on me. Breaches you just have to be more precise with.
This is....exaggerated
Precision with a slow moving round and a strafing/moving individual is more of a "fun thought". In an open area, using a breach mass driver, you are far far more likely to use splash damage over direct damage. In an open area the target has mobility freedom, they can perceive the round, as it's traveling, and change their movement to avoid it. Basic strafing. You can't predict with enough accuracy, how an individual will react to your shot, to place a shot with enough precision, consistently, to land direct shots.
No, the Breach Mass Driver is the most extremely environmental niche weapon. I have found that it is only reliable in areas with closed lateral space. It's situational to hallways, stairs, and footbridges. These are areas where strafing is very limited so margin for error is decreased thus the breach mass driver becomes a viable choice.
However, you look at other weapons, with much higher DPS, much less margin of error....they can compete toe to toe if not further in the same environment that the breach MD exceeds in. I love the breach MD, it's a classy weapon that sends a message, but it's not as simple as "precision". It's a closed situation weapon where it is still a risky to use because overall, it's unreliable.
Overall if you are lucky enough to land a direct hit, you are even luckier if they died in that one hit.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
4459
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:50:00 -
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If they gave breach mass drivers 100% efficiency against vehicles, they would actually have a reason to be used.
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4882
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Posted - 2014.08.05 23:27:00 -
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oh yeah I don't think that mass drivers deal headshot bonus. I think that that is purely a hitscan thing
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
132
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:11:00 -
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I think the mass driver round requires at least a small speed increase, I mean it flys so slow that with even a 10% increase in speed I would most likely have 5000 more lifetime kills fewer people would be able to steal my kills while the round is in transit.
I'm here to drop links and rep bitches, and I'm just about outta links.
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Smoky The Bear
THE SMOKIN GUNZ
Dark Taboo
148
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Posted - 2014.08.09 19:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:843-Vika wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I have used the breach more for anti vehicle purposes; while it wont kill many vehicles it can make quite a few vehicles regret sticking around too long. Okay but that has nothing to do with what I'm asking, why is it that a medium suit can take a maxed damage breach md to the face and walk away, not only is it 700+ damage plus the head shot bonus, the person that I hit should be in microscopic bits and pieces being scraped off the ground, not be able to fire back at me Overall the entire family is a suppression weapon; still wrecks up heavies. Had a heavy play murder taxi against me the other day empty the mag at him while playing ring around the lav and finished him off with the combat rifle before he got his hmg on me. Breaches you just have to be more precise with.
Stop lying to the people you tard.. The MD still has the SAME hit detection issues it had since the big nerf a year ago.. Nothing has changed.. It WILL NEVER REGISTER A DIRECT HIT.. period.. get it? good.. cuz im the MD king of the fricken world.. and I know ok lol.. And to say a MD wrecks heavies is yet another misleading comment.. in fact stupid comment.. They nerfed the MD out of existance just as I said they were doing over a year ago when I started the longest MD thread to date.. Now here you are making **** up like that never happened.. and since you were a part of it, sounds VERY dubious..
They nerfed the damage.. they changed the ARC in the shot to a more flat straight shot.. which ruined worse that any nerf could have.. THey took the smoke cloud away... lowered the rounds per clip.. straight screwed the MD out of usage.. im here a year later to say I FRICKEN TOLD YOU SO MOOOOFS! |
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