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Aeon Amadi wrote:

Bormir1r wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides.

Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but...

Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug

Begin flame war.

the CR is just about right.. if you want lazor accuracy go whine about Rail Rifles

Pssh, nah dude, rail rifle has some pretty hefty kick to it... That thing takes some skill to utilize and anyone worth their salt can just utilize cover to their advantage and counter the charge-time; it's small, but it makes a huge difference when you're dipping in and out of cover.

Combat Rifle is just good at everything. No counter to it.

You're right about the CR, but the RR in CQC is pretty ridiculous too.

Right, but there has already been some talk about tweaking that. Think there was mention of the Rail Rifle receiving a sort of damage 'hill' like the Laser Rifle, doing less damage at closer ranges. I'm not going to argue about the lore of it but, yanno, whatever if it balances it out, I'm game.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the Rail Rifle in CQC, but I use the Plasma Rifle so it's sort of my element anyway. Just don't get caught out in the open and there's really nothing the guy can do if you're good with your strafing.

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Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6516	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:30:00 - [1] - Quote Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. No More Excuses
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3786	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:36:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4844	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:38:00 - [3] - Quote This is common knowledge Users can't complain about the CR at all. There is no defense to its current state. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6920	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:42:00 - [4] - Quote If you can easily mow through both Defenses (Shield and Armor wi) without a nice noticeable difference. Then your weapon is OP. A lot of weapons can fall into this category. see you space cowboy...
BL4CKST4R LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 2861	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:14:00 - [5] - Quote I use it on all my fits except my Gallente Assault because of the bonus, or the Gallente commando although it is my secondary weapon there. Not saying it's OP but it sure is close to OP. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3123	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:15:00 - [6] - Quote A) Would like to see hipfire accuracy greatly reduced. B) Would like to see fitting costs increased, and then give minmatar racial suits a bonus. My reasoning being that the low fitting costs is due to the CR being Minamatar and most Minmatar suits have reduced fitting capacity. This not only allows Minamatar suits to use the weapon, but it inadvertently gives other suits an advantage in terms of fitting ability when they equip one. This is how a minja feels
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 237	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:32:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. the CR is just about right.. if you want lazor accuracy go whine about Rail Rifles Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 237	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:34:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: A) Would like to see hipfire accuracy greatly reduced. B) Would like to see fitting costs increased, and then give minmatar racial suits a bonus. My reasoning being that the low fitting costs is due to the CR being Minamatar and most Minmatar suits have reduced fitting capacity. This not only allows Minamatar suits to use the weapon, but it inadvertently gives other suits an advantage in terms of fitting ability when they equip one. A. nowp. B. not gonna happen Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6521	Posted - 2014.08.04 19:54:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. the CR is just about right.. if you want lazor accuracy go whine about Rail Rifles Pssh, nah dude, rail rifle has some pretty hefty kick to it... That thing takes some skill to utilize and anyone worth their salt can just utilize cover to their advantage and counter the charge-time; it's small, but it makes a huge difference when you're dipping in and out of cover. Combat Rifle is just good at everything. No counter to it. No More Excuses
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3123	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:06:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: One Eyed King wrote: A) Would like to see hipfire accuracy greatly reduced. B) Would like to see fitting costs increased, and then give minmatar racial suits a bonus. My reasoning being that the low fitting costs is due to the CR being Minamatar and most Minmatar suits have reduced fitting capacity. This not only allows Minamatar suits to use the weapon, but it inadvertently gives other suits an advantage in terms of fitting ability when they equip one. A. nowp. B. not gonna happen Excellent feedback. Very helpful. This is how a minja feels

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 687	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. Agreed. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p is my Minja Brother.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 687	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:43:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. the CR is just about right.. if you want lazor accuracy go whine about Rail Rifles Pssh, nah dude, rail rifle has some pretty hefty kick to it... That thing takes some skill to utilize and anyone worth their salt can just utilize cover to their advantage and counter the charge-time; it's small, but it makes a huge difference when you're dipping in and out of cover. Combat Rifle is just good at everything. No counter to it. You're right about the CR, but the RR in CQC is pretty ridiculous too. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p is my Minja Brother.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4456	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:51:00 - [13] - Quote After two nerfs, the ACR is in a really good place now (looking back on my old footage shows some insane dps against sentinels with it). But yes I agree about the standard CR. As long as you know how to use it, a basic one can tear through proto suits pretty easily. I feel that the Burst PR should be the more accurate of the two, while the CR is more similar to the HMG...i.e. bigger dispersion and more kick. The CR does have quite a bit of kick of you try and rapid fire it, but that takes some serious skill and dedication. It resets the barrel climb way too quickly. In other words, the best way to balance it would be to increase the time needed to reset the kick angle. The faster you fire, the more it kicks upward, but if you slow down a bit you can have complete control over the weapon. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
taxi bastard jihad taxi co. 185	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:56:00 - [14] - Quote my favorite 2 guns CR and breach AR. personally i think all rifles should get a 10% damage nerf, then every racial suit bar sentinels should get a 10% damage bonus to that races rifle.
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6522	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:17:00 - [15] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. the CR is just about right.. if you want lazor accuracy go whine about Rail Rifles Pssh, nah dude, rail rifle has some pretty hefty kick to it... That thing takes some skill to utilize and anyone worth their salt can just utilize cover to their advantage and counter the charge-time; it's small, but it makes a huge difference when you're dipping in and out of cover. Combat Rifle is just good at everything. No counter to it. You're right about the CR, but the RR in CQC is pretty ridiculous too. Right, but there has already been some talk about tweaking that. Think there was mention of the Rail Rifle receiving a sort of damage 'hill' like the Laser Rifle, doing less damage at closer ranges. I'm not going to argue about the lore of it but, yanno, whatever if it balances it out, I'm game. Personally, I don't have a problem with the Rail Rifle in CQC, but I use the Plasma Rifle so it's sort of my element anyway. Just don't get caught out in the open and there's really nothing the guy can do if you're good with your strafing. No More Excuses
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 578	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:24:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: A) Would like to see hipfire accuracy greatly reduced. B) Would like to see fitting costs increased, and then give minmatar racial suits a bonus. My reasoning being that the low fitting costs is due to the CR being Minamatar and most Minmatar suits have reduced fitting capacity. This not only allows Minamatar suits to use the weapon, but it inadvertently gives other suits an advantage in terms of fitting ability when they equip one. this is pretty much what i want as a CR user I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 398	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:49:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I use it on all my fits except my Gallente Assault because of the bonus, or the Gallente commando although it is my secondary weapon there. Not saying it's OP but it sure is close to OP. yay. someone else who knows what wepaons to put on the gall assault. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 691	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:12:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Just saying, thing has excellent DPS (outranks most automatics), outstanding damage profile, half-decent range, and no-one can really complain about it's fitting cost. Really powerful weapon with not a lot of down-sides. Now, this is just an opinion I've held onto since 1.7... but... Anyway, I personally want to see it's dispersion or recoil looked at. Given it's lightning fast burst ratio, I don't think it really deserves it's laser accuracy. /shrug Begin flame war. the CR is just about right.. if you want lazor accuracy go whine about Rail Rifles Pssh, nah dude, rail rifle has some pretty hefty kick to it... That thing takes some skill to utilize and anyone worth their salt can just utilize cover to their advantage and counter the charge-time; it's small, but it makes a huge difference when you're dipping in and out of cover. Combat Rifle is just good at everything. No counter to it. You're right about the CR, but the RR in CQC is pretty ridiculous too. Right, but there has already been some talk about tweaking that. Think there was mention of the Rail Rifle receiving a sort of damage 'hill' like the Laser Rifle, doing less damage at closer ranges. I'm not going to argue about the lore of it but, yanno, whatever if it balances it out, I'm game. Personally, I don't have a problem with the Rail Rifle in CQC, but I use the Plasma Rifle so it's sort of my element anyway. Just don't get caught out in the open and there's really nothing the guy can do if you're good with your strafing. I would be fine with that change. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p is my Minja Brother.
Cass Caul 327	Posted - 2014.08.05 15:04:00 - [19] - Quote Only thing I see wrong with the CR is the 95%/110% issue. That, and you know, the Sharpshooter skill existing. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 59	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:02:00 - [20] - Quote That hipfire. Its pointless to ads with the cr. All rifles need a hipfire adjustment

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3614	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:20:00 - [21] - Quote Hipfire effectiveness for should be inversely related to damage potential at range: * AR hipfire dispersion should be reliable * CR hipfire dispersion should be unreliable * ScR and RR hipfire dispersion should be god-awful Additionally, one's rate of movement should affect his accuracy from the hip, though I imagine this would require a client-side update. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1525	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:39:00 - [22] - Quote 0.1 to 0.2 seconds between burst. Whabam. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Cass Caul 327	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:58:00 - [23] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Hipfire effectiveness for should be inversely related to damage potential at range: * AR hipfire dispersion should be reliable * CR hipfire dispersion should be unreliable * ScR and RR hipfire dispersion should be god-awful Additionally, one's rate of movement should affect his accuracy from the hip, though I imagine this would require a client-side update. The game's design philosophy on dispersion is: the longer the range the tighter the spread. So Rail Rifles have the least dispersion (although the greatest kick), The Scrambler Rifle sits at a point somewhere in the middle, the Combat Rifle has the greatest dispersion. Cass Caul wrote: ... [T]he Combat Rifle has the greatest dispersion. Um, wait, what? No way is that true! Oh, riiiiiiiiight, Sharpshooter skill on the Assault Rifle and Combat Rifle negates this issue. So in the end, the downside of the Combat Rifle, SMG, and AR is that it is a higher SP investment to max it out but as soon as you put SP into Sharpshooter you're breaking the balance. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3616	Posted - 2014.08.05 18:12:00 - [24] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: The game's design philosophy on dispersion is backasswards. FTFY Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1865	Posted - 2014.08.05 18:21:00 - [25] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Hipfire effectiveness for should be inversely related to damage potential at range: * AR hipfire dispersion should be reliable * CR hipfire dispersion should be unreliable * ScR and RR hipfire dispersion should be god-awful Additionally, one's rate of movement should affect his accuracy from the hip, though I imagine this would require a client-side update. This^^ "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 567	Posted - 2014.08.05 20:57:00 - [26] - Quote Poor CR has been needed the most and people still want more nerfs- because they aren't Minny. The weapon is the way it is because it makes up for what the matar lack but on other suits it's just icing. A fitting penalty to others could work but also a 100 - 200 rpm reduction on non-minmatar suits would be ideal "Shine bright like a diamond"
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4889	Posted - 2014.08.06 04:04:00 - [27] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Poor CR has been nerfed the most and people still want more nerfs- because they aren't Minny. The weapon is the way it is because it makes up for what the matar lack but on other suits it's just icing. A fitting penalty to others could work but also a 100 - 200 rpm reduction on non-minmatar suits would be ideal Minmatar suits suck, so their weapons should be OP..... Look it would be ridiculous to lock out other races from a single gun and it's not reasonable to say that "it was nerfed before, thus not OP". The weapon is the blatant win out over all others. It has the single highest accuracy rating of any rifle, even the laser rifle has less of an accuracy rating, much less. The weapon should exemplify pray & spray yet it's just better than every rifle in all but one domain. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6531	Posted - 2014.08.06 07:42:00 - [28] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Poor CR has been nerfed the most and people still want more nerfs- because they aren't Minny. The weapon is the way it is because it makes up for what the matar lack but on other suits it's just icing. A fitting penalty to others could work but also a 100 - 200 rpm reduction on non-minmatar suits would be ideal What I got from this was: "People want it nerfed because they aren't Minmatar. The weapon should get a nerf to all suits but Minmatar." Yeah, no. This isn't a true scotsman argument at all. No More Excuses
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 567	Posted - 2014.08.06 14:20:00 - [29] - Quote All I am saying is if the weapon is nerfed more then the Minmatar suits suffer the most. Now if the suits are normalized enough for them to use diverse weapon combinations as others then go for it. Currently other suits can get more out of a CR than Minmatar Also I think some of you are overstating the strengths of the CR over the others "Shine bright like a diamond"
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4896	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:01:00 - [30] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: All I am saying is if the weapon is nerfed more then the Minmatar suits suffer the most. Now if the suits are normalized enough for them to use diverse weapon combinations as others then go for it. Currently other suits can get more out of a CR than Minmatar Also I think some of you are overstating the strengths of the CR over the others Combat Rifle has the best DPS, the best fitting ability, the best damage profile, better range than an assault rifle, best hipfire accuracy of all the rifles.... These are not overstatements This has absolutely nothing to do with suits. I don't care if your minnow suit is lacking, take it up with the judge. We are talking about fixing a rifle that really destroyed diversity. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!



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