DUST Search - Headshot Bug

Temias Mercurial wrote:

Raven Tarmiskis wrote:

[quote=Hector Carson]I have a concern about headshots, why is it that

1. There is no reason that this should be a major or small issue when it's such a simple action/mechanic

2. The question is why have greater damage for headshots if, in actuality, it does nothing to the clone, such as automatic termination?

3. Why did you feel it was necessary to bring up points that were rather... feeble or pointless in such a discussion? That isn't logic, that's opinion.

4. It's common in fps games to not allow someone to be revived (when they have that mechanic) when shot in the head.

5. It would make sense to have headshot damage IF it actually terminated the clone, yet it doesn't. It has little regard with 'realism', but just simple sense.

6. You can't apply the argument of realism when it's a sci-fi... but basic biological functions and vitals are not going to change (unless we develop or discover that technology otherwise). For all we know 'realism' is our future in concept, utilizing similar technologies. We're already developing holograms, lasers, nanite technology and etc.

7. "Please refer to the cases where people have really been shot in the head, or have suffered other serious head trauma that do not die instantly. Your logic is flawed good sir."... How was the OP's logic flawed -_-? You just made an entirely contradictory thought...

8. In consideration that the ammunition used can indeed penetrate the shielding and armour of dropsuits, wouldn't it also make sense that they could also penetrate the head area/helmet? When armour has been breached, your vitals are clearly exposed. When shot at the head, that area should eventually be exposed once the players health has reached zero, and resulting in instant death when the brain has been destroyed, which would force their consciousness to be transferred into another clone. That makes sense, and should be implemented. Nanites may be able to repair and restore functions to the brain and the rest of the body, but it would be nothing short of a vegetable, as the brain received far too much damage, and forced the transfer of it's present consciousness.

9. Differences between realism and logical thinking my friend. Your opinion isn't logic.


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Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 347	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:33:00 - [1] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Raven Tarmiskis wrote: [quote=Hector Carson]I have a concern about headshots, why is it that 1. There is no reason that this should be a major or small issue when it's such a simple action/mechanic 2. The question is why have greater damage for headshots if, in actuality, it does nothing to the clone, such as automatic termination? 3. Why did you feel it was necessary to bring up points that were rather... feeble or pointless in such a discussion? That isn't logic, that's opinion. 4. It's common in fps games to not allow someone to be revived (when they have that mechanic) when shot in the head. 5. It would make sense to have headshot damage IF it actually terminated the clone, yet it doesn't. It has little regard with 'realism', but just simple sense. 6. You can't apply the argument of realism when it's a sci-fi... but basic biological functions and vitals are not going to change (unless we develop or discover that technology otherwise). For all we know 'realism' is our future in concept, utilizing similar technologies. We're already developing holograms, lasers, nanite technology and etc. 7. "Please refer to the cases where people have really been shot in the head, or have suffered other serious head trauma that do not die instantly. Your logic is flawed good sir."... How was the OP's logic flawed -_-? You just made an entirely contradictory thought... 8. In consideration that the ammunition used can indeed penetrate the shielding and armour of dropsuits, wouldn't it also make sense that they could also penetrate the head area/helmet? When armour has been breached, your vitals are clearly exposed. When shot at the head, that area should eventually be exposed once the players health has reached zero, and resulting in instant death when the brain has been destroyed, which would force their consciousness to be transferred into another clone. That makes sense, and should be implemented. Nanites may be able to repair and restore functions to the brain and the rest of the body, but it would be nothing short of a vegetable, as the brain received far too much damage, and forced the transfer of it's present consciousness. 9. Differences between realism and logical thinking my friend. Your opinion isn't logic. 1.depends on your for or against stance i guess, if you meant technically then probably not no. 2.It does do something, it hits a weaker point of the clones armour/shields and therefore is reflected by increased damage. 3.the logic involved with the helmets being designed to survive bullets irl... yes they are and they do but i think it depends on the weapons involved, a long range pistol bullet or shotgun pellet would ping off harmlessly enough, but a 50. cal or an rpg i rather doubt it. 4.it is common in other fps games, but then being in a universe that includes shifting into a new body and evading death, as well as nanite injectors, futuristic shields etc are not so common. 5. Again it shows that heads are still the weakest point of armour and shielding which does make sense but i don't really want to go too into that one. 6.does biological function changes include the technology to have a living cloned body ready for your "awareness" to jump into upon death? 7.once again i think this probably depends upon the damage done and by what weapon, people frequently survive headshots from pellet guns, nail guns, (potato guns), even things like rifle bullets have been saved by helmets etc, but i'm also relatively sure that anybody shot in the face by a tank or who chews on a live grenade has just ran out of luck. 8.It would also make sense that a bullet which penetrates both shields and armour in the same shot would not penetrate armour as successfully as a shot which only had to go through the armour. less layers, inertia, resistances, etc. if you are thinking of the damaged armour exposing vitals then don't forget that would require you to hit the same spot more than once to go through the "hole" also as we don't know exactly how effective nanites are yet there is no reason to believe that they wouldn't be able to reconstruct neural pathways and grey matter as long as they could retrieve enough bio matter, with all the dead clones disappearing it would make sense if they were collected by the nanites whilst they aren't busy or some such. (It's also possible that they could collect the grey matter trapped by the clones shields.) Although i'm not certain about headshots vs armour, i think that they do in fact terminate nearly all clones, but you need to get the extra damage of headshots with no shields. (which would also mean the brains were not caught by the shield). that said i don't have any problem with headshots terminating clones, it would help not getting picked back up whilst under sniper fire. n.b to the person who argued that helmets will be designed to stop bullets.. sniper rifles are designed to pierce helmets, there is always escalation.