DUST Search - Underperforming Suits and Suggested Buffs

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Take note: These suits are underperforming relative to other suits in their own class (i.e. assault, commando, logi, scout, etc.). This is not about inter-role relations, but rather intra-role relations.

Ill start from the heaviest and go to the lightest--

Sentinel: Minmitar
Reasoning-Shield based sentinel with lowest HP, useless resistances, and poor recharge.

Suggested buffs-Give it the minmitar heavy frame sprint/move speed, and switch the bonus Hp that is given because of the sentinel role to shield rather than armor, and switch the plasma resist to shields, so that it helps with shotgunners more effectively. Perhaps increase shield recharge rate by X amount.

Commando: ? (I believe the commandos are all relatively balanced with each other, but perhaps tell me if you believe otherwise, as i have little knowledge about inter-commando balance)

Logistics: Gallente and Caldari
Reasoning-In a more competitive environment, the Am and Min logis will be the better choice each and every time due to more EQ slots/ SA/ better bonuses

Suggested buffs: The Gal-logi will be better come Charlie (will have to see how that plays out), but perhaps a better secondary AS bonus may be in order, such as CDR. For the Cal-logi, i would suggest simply increasing the nano-hive bonuses to the point that the repair hives can compete with a min-logi repair tool to a certain extent.

Assaults(post-Charlie): Gallente and maybe Caldari
Reasoning-Am and Min assaults will keep their amazing bonuses while still getting equal buffs to the Gal and Cal assaults in terms of slots and HP, which makes Gal and Cal assaults much less appetizing.

Suggested buffs: Switch Gal assault bonus to a 1-2% RoF increase with plasma weaponry, and Cal to 3-5% increased range/ zoom with rail weaponry or 10-15% reduced spool up time. (Waiting on HF Charlie to see how the assaults play out, don't read too much into this right now)

Scouts (post-Charlie): Maybe Minmitar
Reasoning: All other scouts receive an eWar bonus, while minmitar does not. The min-scout viability is dependent on 1. If the Am scout is abused and 2. If the gal-logi is abused and 3. The substantiality of the NK buffs.

Suggested buffs: To make the Minja more of an assassin type scout, give it an eWar bonus on par with other scouts with an active dampening bonus that gives an amount of dampening while the cloak is active enough that they can have two low slots instead of one available for code breakers/kincats.

Thanks for reading guys!

If you agree with me, tell me!

If you disagree, tell me as well, but please be civil!

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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1739	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:02:00 - [1] - Quote Take note: These suits are underperforming relative to other suits in their own class (i.e. assault, commando, logi, scout, etc.). This is not about inter-role relations, but rather intra-role relations. Ill start from the heaviest and go to the lightest-- Sentinel: Minmitar Reasoning-Shield based sentinel with lowest HP, useless resistances, and poor recharge. Suggested buffs-Give it the minmitar heavy frame sprint/move speed, and switch the bonus Hp that is given because of the sentinel role to shield rather than armor, and switch the plasma resist to shields, so that it helps with shotgunners more effectively. Perhaps increase shield recharge rate by X amount. Commando: ? (I believe the commandos are all relatively balanced with each other, but perhaps tell me if you believe otherwise, as i have little knowledge about inter-commando balance) Logistics: Gallente and Caldari Reasoning-In a more competitive environment, the Am and Min logis will be the better choice each and every time due to more EQ slots/ SA/ better bonuses Suggested buffs: The Gal-logi will be better come Charlie (will have to see how that plays out), but perhaps a better secondary AS bonus may be in order, such as CDR. For the Cal-logi, i would suggest simply increasing the nano-hive bonuses to the point that the repair hives can compete with a min-logi repair tool to a certain extent. Assaults(post-Charlie): Gallente and maybe Caldari Reasoning-Am and Min assaults will keep their amazing bonuses while still getting equal buffs to the Gal and Cal assaults in terms of slots and HP, which makes Gal and Cal assaults much less appetizing. Suggested buffs: Switch Gal assault bonus to a 1-2% RoF increase with plasma weaponry, and Cal to 3-5% increased range/ zoom with rail weaponry or 10-15% reduced spool up time. (Waiting on HF Charlie to see how the assaults play out, don't read too much into this right now) Scouts (post-Charlie): Maybe Minmitar Reasoning: All other scouts receive an eWar bonus, while minmitar does not. The min-scout viability is dependent on 1. If the Am scout is abused and 2. If the gal-logi is abused and 3. The substantiality of the NK buffs. Suggested buffs: To make the Minja more of an assassin type scout, give it an eWar bonus on par with other scouts with an active dampening bonus that gives an amount of dampening while the cloak is active enough that they can have two low slots instead of one available for code breakers/kincats. Thanks for reading guys! If you agree with me, tell me! If you disagree, tell me as well, but please be civil! "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12358	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:13:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar fanboi alert! "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4661	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:17:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Minmatar fanboi alert! Was surprised Minmatar Assault was not on list Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1739	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:18:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Minmatar fanboi alert! Hey man, telling it like it is. That was 100% unbiased honesty right there. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 103	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:20:00 - [5] - Quote You made me feel better. If my suits are not performing well then I may have some mediocre talent. Fatty Fat Fat gk.0 - HMG / Duvolle Noob DS Ferryman
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 607	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:24:00 - [6] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Take note: These suits are underperforming relative to other suits in their own class (i.e. assault, commando, logi, scout, etc.). This is not about inter-role relations, but rather intra-role relations. Ill start from the heaviest and go to the lightest-- Sentinel: Minmitar Reasoning-Shield based sentinel with lowest HP, useless resistances, and poor recharge. Suggested buffs-Give it the minmitar heavy frame sprint/move speed, and switch the bonus Hp that is given because of the sentinel role to shield rather than armor, and switch the plasma resist to shields, so that it helps with shotgunners more effectively. Perhaps increase shield recharge rate by X amount. Commando: ? (I believe the commandos are all relatively balanced with each other, but perhaps tell me if you believe otherwise, as i have little knowledge about inter-commando balance) Logistics: Gallente and Caldari Reasoning-In a more competitive environment, the Am and Min logis will be the better choice each and every time due to more EQ slots/ SA/ better bonuses Suggested buffs: The Gal-logi will be better come Charlie (will have to see how that plays out), but perhaps a better secondary AS bonus may be in order, such as CDR. For the Cal-logi, i would suggest simply increasing the nano-hive bonuses to the point that the repair hives can compete with a min-logi repair tool to a certain extent. Assaults(post-Charlie): Gallente and maybe Caldari Reasoning-Am and Min assaults will keep their amazing bonuses while still getting equal buffs to the Gal and Cal assaults in terms of slots and HP, which makes Gal and Cal assaults much less appetizing. Suggested buffs: Switch Gal assault bonus to a 1-2% RoF increase with plasma weaponry, and Cal to 3-5% increased range/ zoom with rail weaponry or 10-15% reduced spool up time. (Waiting on HF Charlie to see how the assaults play out, don't read too much into this right now) Scouts (post-Charlie): Maybe Minmitar Reasoning: All other scouts receive an eWar bonus, while minmitar does not. The min-scout viability is dependent on 1. If the Am scout is abused and 2. If the gal-logi is abused and 3. The substantiality of the NK buffs. Suggested buffs: To make the Minja more of an assassin type scout, give it an eWar bonus on par with other scouts with an active dampening bonus that gives an amount of dampening while the cloak is active enough that they can have two low slots instead of one available for code breakers/kincats. Thanks for reading guys! If you agree with me, tell me! If you disagree, tell me as well, but please be civil! Lol my active dampening shall prevail! "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11390	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:30:00 - [7] - Quote Minmatar Heavies are quite amazing tbh. A militia suit with 1200 eHP, sprint speed of an assault (7~ m/s with a kincat), dat HMG. It's one thing to face a bricked heavy that sprints slower than my movement speed, it's another to meet a heavy that matches my speed while still wielding that beast of a weapon called the HMG and with quite a bit of HP. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12361	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:31:00 - [8] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: True Adamance wrote: Minmatar fanboi alert! Hey man, telling it like it is. That was 100% unbiased honesty right there. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dk7pYCj9QrM/T8ej21UKkbI/AAAAAAAAAp8/9Wf42CzPT8o/s1600/AmarrBinky.jpg This illustrates in my mind the Amarr feel about the current situation. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1750	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:40:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Minmatar Heavies are quite amazing tbh. A militia suit with 1200 eHP, sprint speed of an assault (7~ m/s with a kincat), dat HMG. It's one thing to face a bricked heavy that sprints slower than my movement speed, it's another to meet a heavy that matches my speed while still wielding that beast of a weapon called the HMG and with quite a bit of HP. Speed tanking heavies is better with the Gal sentinel, as shown by Skeletor and Lags. I do agree with you though...Love kincats+shields/ damage on my minnie heavy "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
MINA Longstrike 1074	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:51:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Assaults(post-Charlie): Gallente and maybe Caldari Reasoning-Am and Min assaults will keep their amazing bonuses while still getting equal buffs to the Gal and Cal assaults in terms of slots and HP, which makes Gal and Cal assaults much less appetizing. Suggested buffs: Switch Gal assault bonus to a 1-2% RoF increase with plasma weaponry, and Cal to 3-5% increased range/ zoom with rail weaponry or 10-15% reduced spool up time. (Waiting on HF Charlie to see how the assaults play out, don't read too much into this right now) The current gallente bonus is fine, once the suit itself is a viable option the bonus will shine a bit more. But in regards to you giving caldari weapons even MORE range, all I have to say is go yourself. The rail rifle is already at a range where other weapons don't even have a chance to compete because the rail rifle outranges them so drastically - so much so that getting closer isn't even an option. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

zDemoncake Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 183	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:09:00 - [11] - Quote Are there another other areas that you believe are under performing? CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Zindorak 1.U.P 193	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:11:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Take note: These suits are underperforming relative to other suits in their own class (i.e. assault, commando, logi, scout, etc.). This is not about inter-role relations, but rather intra-role relations. Ill start from the heaviest and go to the lightest-- Sentinel: Minmitar Reasoning-Shield based sentinel with lowest HP, useless resistances, and poor recharge. Suggested buffs-Give it the minmitar heavy frame sprint/move speed, and switch the bonus Hp that is given because of the sentinel role to shield rather than armor, and switch the plasma resist to shields, so that it helps with shotgunners more effectively. Perhaps increase shield recharge rate by X amount. Commando: ? (I believe the commandos are all relatively balanced with each other, but perhaps tell me if you believe otherwise, as i have little knowledge about inter-commando balance) Logistics: Gallente and Caldari Reasoning-In a more competitive environment, the Am and Min logis will be the better choice each and every time due to more EQ slots/ SA/ better bonuses Suggested buffs: The Gal-logi will be better come Charlie (will have to see how that plays out), but perhaps a better secondary AS bonus may be in order, such as CDR. For the Cal-logi, i would suggest simply increasing the nano-hive bonuses to the point that the repair hives can compete with a min-logi repair tool to a certain extent. Assaults(post-Charlie): Gallente and maybe Caldari Reasoning-Am and Min assaults will keep their amazing bonuses while still getting equal buffs to the Gal and Cal assaults in terms of slots and HP, which makes Gal and Cal assaults much less appetizing. Suggested buffs: Switch Gal assault bonus to a 1-2% RoF increase with plasma weaponry, and Cal to 3-5% increased range/ zoom with rail weaponry or 10-15% reduced spool up time. (Waiting on HF Charlie to see how the assaults play out, don't read too much into this right now) Scouts (post-Charlie): Maybe Minmitar Reasoning: All other scouts receive an eWar bonus, while minmitar does not. The min-scout viability is dependent on 1. If the Am scout is abused and 2. If the gal-logi is abused and 3. The substantiality of the NK buffs. Suggested buffs: To make the Minja more of an assassin type scout, give it an eWar bonus on par with other scouts with an active dampening bonus that gives an amount of dampening while the cloak is active enough that they can have two low slots instead of one available for code breakers/kincats. Thanks for reading guys! If you agree with me, tell me! If you disagree, tell me as well, but please be civil! I tell you having that faster reload time is great for a cal assault because their weapons have a low clip size so if you are in cqc that assault RR will be more deadly Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1946	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:54:00 - [13] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Minmatar Heavies are quite amazing tbh. A militia suit with 1200 eHP, sprint speed of an assault (7~ m/s with a kincat), dat HMG. It's one thing to face a bricked heavy that sprints slower than my movement speed, it's another to meet a heavy that matches my speed while still wielding that beast of a weapon called the HMG and with quite a bit of HP. Speed tanking heavies is better with the Gal sentinel, as shown by Skeletor and Lags. I do agree with you though...Love kincats+shields/ damage on my minnie heavy Fun Fact Time! A Minmatar Sentinel with one compleat Kin-Cat has the same sprinting speed as an Amarr Sentinel with two. Provided neither are using Plates with penalties. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1177	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:01:00 - [14] - Quote The Amarr logi's bonus isn't better than the Caldari's bonus. Your suggestion is buffing the Caldari bonus so it's rep hives can compete with the Min rep tool but I wonder if you realize that these bonuses only make the equipment perform as good as they did before the equipment was nerfed and logi's got these bonuses; and the rep hives had no problem competing with rep tools before the nerf Kill Scotty
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 670	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:08:00 - [15] - Quote Skipped to the end so I dont know if this has been responded to, The Amarr and Caldari have the lowest EQ slots at 3 VS the Minmatar and Gallente having 4. The Amarr bonus only slightly outperforms the Gallente, if at all, as proto scanning bonus is pretty useful, maybe not MORE so than uplinks but its up there, Caldari is definitely the worst bonus, but even then it isnt bad. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11079	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:57:00 - [16] - Quote Honestly, the main problem with the Gallente and Caldari Logistics is that the bonuses are utter garbage, and unfairly favor the Matari and Amarr Logistics. In my opinion, the Logi bonus should be changed to +5% Equipment Efficiency per Level and +5% Reduction to Equipment CPU/PG per level. Then we could give them all a new bonus. -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15500	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:35:00 - [17] - Quote Gal/Cal assault bonuses are just lol. 25% more range is a little excessive though... You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 235	Posted - 2014.07.30 12:08:00 - [18] - Quote Matar scout shouldnt have ewar bonuses. Because you should not focus ont that. If you want, eqiup 2 damps as every other scout that want to be invisible. About logis. Every will have 4 eq, and same H and L slots. Amarr will have sidearm... they will have 15 total slots. They will sacrafise nothing for sidearm, like they do now. Matar logis are just slaves with repair tools. Let them fullfill that role, they are good slaves. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3717	Posted - 2014.07.30 12:23:00 - [19] - Quote I have to disagree with the matar heavy being "weak" there's nothing more disheartening than laying waste to its shields and then coming upon 500+ armor against a beast that runs just as fast as you and carries a hmg the damn suit is like finding fools gold it's never what you had in mind. Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 710	Posted - 2014.07.30 14:53:00 - [20] - Quote Caldari Assault with more Rail Range? ** that. RoF on Gallente Assault? ** that, too. Over-accentuating the given abilities is bad. Making the Bonuses work to bring them closer together at Proto should be the goal. Like bringing the Range Bonus to Gallentes with ARs (where it's needed) and give the Caldari a Hack Bonus (or something) to bring them closer to the battles on objectives. Minmatar Heavies are ****** awesome. A Shield Recharge Bonus would only be more awesome. Thanks. Who farted?

Lanius Pulvis SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 328	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:11:00 - [21] - Quote I would disagree with a range bonus for rail weaponry as the RR is already the range king but a spool up reduction makes sense compared to the other assaults. The Gallente bonus would be more in line if it was a range increase. Not new, just new to you.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1758	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:45:00 - [22] - Quote Ok so the overall idea is that range bonus=bad. Will edit out. Also, just as a question for the people saying that the minmitar sentinel is in a good place, why have i never seen one in a single PC? Ive seen caldari, amarr and lots of gallente, but no minmitar. Just food for thought. So is the spool up reduction a good idea? Also, what do people think about the gal-assault bonus? Finally, to the person who commented on this, please explain why giving the minmitar scout an eWar bonus equivalent to other scouts eWar bonuses would not be ok. Id like to hear the explanation. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1811	Posted - 2014.07.30 17:27:00 - [23] - Quote Cal Assault is by far one of the hardest to run and I feel it is behind Gal Assault, why? Simple, shields are not in a good place for they placed shield penalties when you stack, but armor has three choices and one has no penalty the other are minor. Second shields take more CPU and PG then armor. I can get more out of a basic armor plate than I would out of a complex shield extender. So shields are lacking IMO. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 718	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:14:00 - [24] - Quote Why don't you see Minmatar Sentinels in PC? Because I've been labeled "pub scrub". Also, Minmatar Sentinels must keep moving. Logis ***** hate to run. If you're not participating in the DPS/Rep circle jerk at the bottleneck, and actually pushing the next point, then people actually get pissy. As if they thought they could win a match by securing the out of 1 lousy objective. Yes, I'm completely ***** serious. Who farted?


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