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OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 203	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:21:00 - [1] - Quote there are countless in-game people i talk to who are against the idea of a heavy nerf... because they're actually good players and can kill heavies easily... even my Minja friend thought it was stupid they just have a real life and don't come on forums come on CCP. don't listen to these cry babies and ruin the game even more... ridiculous. just nerf the range and if that doesn't shut them up, nothing will Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 145	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:24:00 - [2] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: there are countless in-game people i talk to who are against the idea of a heavy nerf... because they're actually good players and can kill heavies easily... even my Minja friend thought it was stupid they just have a real life and don't come on forums come on CCP. don't listen to these cry babies and ruin the game even more... ridiculous. just nerf the range and if that doesn't shut them up, nothing will Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 204	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:34:00 - [3] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. im just gonna say this one thing, and i'm done with this thread. i hate these flame war arguments We need that high DPS because of how quickly the scouts can kill us. because of how high their DPS is with shotties, remotes, and knives. those three things right there. if you nerf DPS, it can't affect the way we defend ourselves against scouts because it will make the heavy under powered we are talking about very fast, very powerful engagements here. a shotgun scout can get me with 3 hits to the back or 2 headshots if we're both in full proto. if you upset that balance you make scouts even more OP than they are right now. that's all i've been trying to warn people about. now I'm done. do whatever the hell you want because this game is dying anyway so **** it Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
MINA Longstrike 1068	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:45:00 - [4] - Quote Stop whining about scouts with stuff like 'but but but scouts!', while many of them are very powerful that has no bearing on many of the things that make your suit overpowered. You are making logical fallacies, confusing arguments and obscuring the actual point. This game isn't scouts vs heavies there's a lot more diversity than that, and honestly a scout is your natural predator due to their low profiles. The reasons a heavy nerf are justified is because they currently don't have to make any actual choices while fitting practically any heavy can easily fit full proto on practically any suit (the only one that can't really is the cal heavy). In regards to the HMG, it does 720 dps against shields, without factoring in proficiency it does 950+ dps against armor and it fires longer than any other gun. If you think that's too low to 'defend yourself against scouts' you've got some serious issues with your thinking - while it may help you 'defend yourself' it also does so much damage per second that it can murder every other suit in the game non-stop with no real issue at ~ 40m. You are not 'warning' people about scouts, you are using them as an excuse to plead for an unbalanced status-quo. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 146	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:05:00 - [5] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. im just gonna say this one thing, and i'm done with this thread. i hate these flame war arguments We need that high DPS because of how quickly the scouts can kill us. because of how high their DPS is with shotties, remotes, and knives. those three things right there. if you nerf DPS, it can't affect the way we defend ourselves against scouts because it will make the heavy under powered we are talking about very fast, very powerful engagements here. a shotgun scout can get me with 3 hits to the back or 2 headshots if we're both in full proto. if you upset that balance you make scouts even more OP than they are right now. that's all i've been trying to warn people about. now I'm done. do whatever the hell you want because this game is dying anyway so **** it No, you don't need it. It's way too ppwerful, and easy. It instaganks every suit and you can't really run away if you see one, it's a forced death, if it had 600 dps or so it'd be fine I guess. You can't have tank and gank. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4643	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:16:00 - [6] - Quote You didn't get the memo Heavies will now have an all time high HP ceiling since the Amarr is now getting 4 lows it will surpass the currently dominate Gallente Heavy. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4643	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:17:00 - [7] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: We need that high DPS because of how quickly the scouts can kill us. because of how high their DPS is with shotties, remotes, and knives. those three things right there. if you nerf DPS, it can't affect the way we defend ourselves against scouts because it will make the heavy under powered Fun fact heavies can use shotguns too! So if you think so high and mighty about it you can use it too. Fight fire with fire, they always say. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 172	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: OP FOTM wrote: there are countless in-game people i talk to who are against the idea of a heavy nerf... because they're actually good players and can kill heavies easily... even my Minja friend thought it was stupid they just have a real life and don't come on forums come on CCP. don't listen to these cry babies and ruin the game even more... ridiculous. just nerf the range and if that doesn't shut them up, nothing will Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. heavy dps is actually low compaired to the other non heavy weapons how much ammo you spend to have to kill some one their low mobility and so on.. Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 172	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:19:00 - [9] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: OP FOTM wrote: We need that high DPS because of how quickly the scouts can kill us. because of how high their DPS is with shotties, remotes, and knives. those three things right there. if you nerf DPS, it can't affect the way we defend ourselves against scouts because it will make the heavy under powered Fun fact heavies can use shotguns too! So if you think so high and mighty about it you can use it too. Fight fire with fire, they always say. shotgun dosnt work on any one but scout cause you need SPEED to get in close to actually CONNECT the damage noob Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4643	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:26:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: shotgun dosnt work on any one but scout cause you need SPEED to get in close to actually CONNECT the damage noob You be the noob Skeletor Voltron & God Hates Lags speed tank their heavies and although they use HMGs (because HMGs are far better than shotguns as weapons) there is hardly anything that can stop a heavy suit that fast. They sprint faster than medium frames while wearing 1000+ HP. If you slow yourself down with armor that's your own problem, fact remains heavies can use shotguns too and if they are so concerned about shotgun scouts why not let the scout come to you and shotgun them back? Because you don't have a Caldari Scout in your squad you can't detect them? Not the scout's problem. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!

JACKAL ZER0 OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 19	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:41:00 - [11] - Quote I have proto levels in every skill set for the heavy. At perfect skills, I am beaten daily. I can only rely on my dps to give me a fighting chance.
JACKAL ZER0 OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 19	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:42:00 - [12] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: shotgun dosnt work on any one but scout cause you need SPEED to get in close to actually CONNECT the damage noob You be the noob Skeletor Voltron & God Hates Lags speed tank their heavies and although they use HMGs (because HMGs are far better than shotguns as weapons) there is hardly anything that can stop a heavy suit that fast. They sprint faster than medium frames while wearing 1000+ HP. If you slow yourself down with armor that's your own problem, fact remains heavies can use shotguns too and if they are so concerned about shotgun scouts why not let the scout come to you and shotgun them back? Because you don't have a Caldari Scout in your squad you can't detect them? Not the scout's problem. I don't think your numbers are right for the heavies. I should know.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3377	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:45:00 - [13] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Stop whining about scouts with stuff like 'but but but scouts!', while many of them are very powerful that has no bearing on many of the things that make your suit overpowered. You are making logical fallacies, confusing arguments and obscuring the actual point. This game isn't scouts vs heavies there's a lot more diversity than that, and honestly a scout is your natural predator due to their low profiles. The reasons a heavy nerf are justified is because they currently don't have to make any actual choices while fitting practically any heavy can easily fit full proto on practically any suit (the only one that can't really is the cal heavy). In regards to the HMG, it does 720 dps against shields, without factoring in proficiency it does 950+ dps against armor and it fires longer than any other gun. If you think that's too low to 'defend yourself against scouts' you've got some serious issues with your thinking - while it may help you 'defend yourself' it also does so much damage per second that it can murder every other suit in the game non-stop with no real issue at ~ 40m. You are not 'warning' people about scouts, you are using them as an excuse to plead for an unbalanced status-quo. SNAP! PS: Scouts are working hard to get their over-powered skinny arses nerfed. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
JACKAL ZER0 OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 19	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:46:00 - [14] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: OP FOTM wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. im just gonna say this one thing, and i'm done with this thread. i hate these flame war arguments We need that high DPS because of how quickly the scouts can kill us. because of how high their DPS is with shotties, remotes, and knives. those three things right there. if you nerf DPS, it can't affect the way we defend ourselves against scouts because it will make the heavy under powered we are talking about very fast, very powerful engagements here. a shotgun scout can get me with 3 hits to the back or 2 headshots if we're both in full proto. if you upset that balance you make scouts even more OP than they are right now. that's all i've been trying to warn people about. now I'm done. do whatever the hell you want because this game is dying anyway so **** it No, you don't need it. It's way too ppwerful, and easy. It instaganks every suit and you can't really run away if you see one, it's a forced death, if it had 600 dps or so it'd be fine I guess. You can't have tank and gank. And it's very very very annoying, for me to have to keep dying because I couldn't run away or kill them in time in objective areas, I don't die all the time though, and I'm FORCED to bring out my heavy to deal with them otherwise I'd just keep dying in important areas. I don't use remotes, mostly because I can't fit them. The hmg kills every non heavy in almost an instant, and say a galogi with 500 armor, he's forced to die because he can't run, nor can he do enough dps to kill a non brain dead heavy, I haven't used the cr in a long time so idk. Go heavy and then talk. When you appear around a corner, and you are face to face with a heavy, should you expect to live? No, you shouldn't. Maybe if you had teamwork, maybe you dont have team work. But if you are crossing a field and a heavy is out there, why don't you try keeping range and popping him. Or avoid him, and shoot him in the back. Why whine on the forums like some manbaby and ruins someone elses game experience after they've put in months of training. If heavies get nerfed any worse, I will go and buy a ps4 and play a different game. And everyone else probably would too. Heavies have finally been balanced and feels like it should have felt like a year ago.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4645	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:47:00 - [15] - Quote JACKAL ZER0 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: shotgun dosnt work on any one but scout cause you need SPEED to get in close to actually CONNECT the damage noob You be the noob Skeletor Voltron & God Hates Lags speed tank their heavies and although they use HMGs (because HMGs are far better than shotguns as weapons) there is hardly anything that can stop a heavy suit that fast. They sprint faster than medium frames while wearing 1000+ HP. If you slow yourself down with armor that's your own problem, fact remains heavies can use shotguns too and if they are so concerned about shotgun scouts why not let the scout come to you and shotgun them back? Because you don't have a Caldari Scout in your squad you can't detect them? Not the scout's problem. I don't think your numbers are right for the heavies. I should know. My Amarr Skinweave has 960 EHP without fitting so throw a comp shield extender on it and that's over 1000 HP and then factor in the splash resistance and the other resistances.....yeah well over 1000 HP Militia Gallente Heavy frame has 1045 unfitted and that's what Skeletor Voltron uses so I am most definitely correct Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 146	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:51:00 - [16] - Quote JACKAL ZER0 wrote: JRleo jr wrote: OP FOTM wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. im just gonna say this one thing, and i'm done with this thread. i hate these flame war arguments We need that high DPS because of how quickly the scouts can kill us. because of how high their DPS is with shotties, remotes, and knives. those three things right there. if you nerf DPS, it can't affect the way we defend ourselves against scouts because it will make the heavy under powered we are talking about very fast, very powerful engagements here. a shotgun scout can get me with 3 hits to the back or 2 headshots if we're both in full proto. if you upset that balance you make scouts even more OP than they are right now. that's all i've been trying to warn people about. now I'm done. do whatever the hell you want because this game is dying anyway so **** it No, you don't need it. It's way too ppwerful, and easy. It instaganks every suit and you can't really run away if you see one, it's a forced death, if it had 600 dps or so it'd be fine I guess. You can't have tank and gank. And it's very very very annoying, for me to have to keep dying because I couldn't run away or kill them in time in objective areas, I don't die all the time though, and I'm FORCED to bring out my heavy to deal with them otherwise I'd just keep dying in important areas. I don't use remotes, mostly because I can't fit them. The hmg kills every non heavy in almost an instant, and say a galogi with 500 armor, he's forced to die because he can't run, nor can he do enough dps to kill a non brain dead heavy, I haven't used the cr in a long time so idk. Go heavy and then talk. When you appear around a corner, and you are face to face with a heavy, should you expect to live? No, you shouldn't. Maybe if you had teamwork, maybe you dont have team work. But if you are crossing a field and a heavy is out there, why don't you try keeping range and popping him. Or avoid him, and shoot him in the back. Why whine on the forums like some manbaby and ruins someone elses game experience after they've put in months of training. If heavies get nerfed any worse, I will go and buy a ps4 and play a different game. And everyone else probably would too. Heavies have finally been balanced and feels like it should have felt like a year ago. Shoot him in the back? Turns around and instaganks, I use shield suits so.... Teamwork? If there's someone with me I can easily kill them. Range? Every heavy is in cqc areas so that's impossible and they have too much hp to kill before they get to cover anyways...and when I try to run I'm around 10m away, I instantly turn around yet somehow a boundless manages to instakill me... And heavies are not balanced until the hmg gets a proper nerf. Oh and I have a proto heavy. Most scouts that I see with shotty die. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 207	Posted - 2014.07.30 01:08:00 - [17] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Stop whining about scouts with stuff like 'but but but scouts!', while many of them are very powerful that has no bearing on many of the things that make your suit overpowered. You are making logical fallacies, confusing arguments and obscuring the actual point. This game isn't scouts vs heavies there's a lot more diversity than that, and honestly a scout is your natural predator due to their low profiles. The reasons a heavy nerf are justified is because they currently don't have to make any actual choices while fitting practically any heavy can easily fit full proto on practically any suit (the only one that can't really is the cal heavy). In regards to the HMG, it does 720 dps against shields, without factoring in proficiency it does 950+ dps against armor and it fires longer than any other gun. If you think that's too low to 'defend yourself against scouts' you've got some serious issues with your thinking - while it may help you 'defend yourself' it also does so much damage per second that it can murder every other suit in the game non-stop with no real issue at ~ 40m. You are not 'warning' people about scouts, you are using them as an excuse to plead for an unbalanced status-quo. Bullshit. I'm trying to keep you from nerfing them into the ground. Did you EVEN SEE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR? TURNING SPEED NERF?! HELL THE NO. Now I am absolutely, utterly DONE with this discussion. Goodbye. Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 147	Posted - 2014.07.30 01:39:00 - [18] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Stop whining about scouts with stuff like 'but but but scouts!', while many of them are very powerful that has no bearing on many of the things that make your suit overpowered. You are making logical fallacies, confusing arguments and obscuring the actual point. This game isn't scouts vs heavies there's a lot more diversity than that, and honestly a scout is your natural predator due to their low profiles. The reasons a heavy nerf are justified is because they currently don't have to make any actual choices while fitting practically any heavy can easily fit full proto on practically any suit (the only one that can't really is the cal heavy). In regards to the HMG, it does 720 dps against shields, without factoring in proficiency it does 950+ dps against armor and it fires longer than any other gun. If you think that's too low to 'defend yourself against scouts' you've got some serious issues with your thinking - while it may help you 'defend yourself' it also does so much damage per second that it can murder every other suit in the game non-stop with no real issue at ~ 40m. You are not 'warning' people about scouts, you are using them as an excuse to plead for an unbalanced status-quo. Bullshit. I'm trying to keep you from nerfing them into the ground. Did you EVEN SEE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR? TURNING SPEED NERF?! HELL THE NO. Now I am absolutely, utterly DONE with this discussion. Goodbye. Everybody just wants the hmg nerfed, that's the only issue. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
MINA Longstrike 1073	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:06:00 - [19] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Stop whining about scouts with stuff like 'but but but scouts!', while many of them are very powerful that has no bearing on many of the things that make your suit overpowered. You are making logical fallacies, confusing arguments and obscuring the actual point. This game isn't scouts vs heavies there's a lot more diversity than that, and honestly a scout is your natural predator due to their low profiles. The reasons a heavy nerf are justified is because they currently don't have to make any actual choices while fitting practically any heavy can easily fit full proto on practically any suit (the only one that can't really is the cal heavy). In regards to the HMG, it does 720 dps against shields, without factoring in proficiency it does 950+ dps against armor and it fires longer than any other gun. If you think that's too low to 'defend yourself against scouts' you've got some serious issues with your thinking - while it may help you 'defend yourself' it also does so much damage per second that it can murder every other suit in the game non-stop with no real issue at ~ 40m. You are not 'warning' people about scouts, you are using them as an excuse to plead for an unbalanced status-quo. Bullshit. I'm trying to keep you from nerfing them into the ground. Did you EVEN SEE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR? TURNING SPEED NERF?! HELL THE NO. Now I am absolutely, utterly DONE with this discussion. Goodbye. I'm not the one nerfing them, and I have heavy suits on three characters, even if you're a scout there are a great many situations when heavies are outright impossible to deal with. "Well blah blah blah, contrived situation to make heavies seem less powerful than they are", Yeah sure sometimes things are like that, and other times there's 4 heavies on a socket with a cal-scout providing passive scans as well as a cal-logi with nanohives and nothing can be done to remove them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 147	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:07:00 - [20] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: OP FOTM wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Stop whining about scouts with stuff like 'but but but scouts!', while many of them are very powerful that has no bearing on many of the things that make your suit overpowered. You are making logical fallacies, confusing arguments and obscuring the actual point. This game isn't scouts vs heavies there's a lot more diversity than that, and honestly a scout is your natural predator due to their low profiles. The reasons a heavy nerf are justified is because they currently don't have to make any actual choices while fitting practically any heavy can easily fit full proto on practically any suit (the only one that can't really is the cal heavy). In regards to the HMG, it does 720 dps against shields, without factoring in proficiency it does 950+ dps against armor and it fires longer than any other gun. If you think that's too low to 'defend yourself against scouts' you've got some serious issues with your thinking - while it may help you 'defend yourself' it also does so much damage per second that it can murder every other suit in the game non-stop with no real issue at ~ 40m. You are not 'warning' people about scouts, you are using them as an excuse to plead for an unbalanced status-quo. Bullshit. I'm trying to keep you from nerfing them into the ground. Did you EVEN SEE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR? TURNING SPEED NERF?! HELL THE NO. Now I am absolutely, utterly DONE with this discussion. Goodbye. I'm not the one nerfing them, and I have heavy suits on three characters, even if you're a scout there are a great many situations when heavies are outright impossible to deal with. "Well blah blah blah, contrived situation to make heavies seem less powerful than they are", Yeah sure sometimes things are like that, and other times there's 4 heavies on a socket with a cal-scout providing passive scans as well as a cal-logi with nanohives and nothing can be done to remove them. Ccp needs to buff assault mass driver... Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.

TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 3980	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:49:00 - [21] - Quote I run both at proto. They are fine. The problem is 99% of players from both sides do nothing but rambo. Bad scouts feed my heavy. Bad heavies feed my scout. Likewise if I fk up with either, I feed them. I run proto min heavy on this char and proto amarr scout on my alt. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Spectre Black Vortex State Empire 1	Posted - 2014.07.31 03:45:00 - [22] - Quote Heavies are doing their job scouts are doing their job can we please stop with the constant nerfing I mean cmon it's getting ridiculous
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2014.07.31 05:30:00 - [23] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: OP FOTM wrote: there are countless in-game people i talk to who are against the idea of a heavy nerf... because they're actually good players and can kill heavies easily... even my Minja friend thought it was stupid they just have a real life and don't come on forums come on CCP. don't listen to these cry babies and ruin the game even more... ridiculous. just nerf the range and if that doesn't shut them up, nothing will Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. slaps range nerf will do! let us transfer our BPOs,stats,gear,ISK and SP to legion pl0x! Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 158	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:27:00 - [24] - Quote tander09 wrote: JRleo jr wrote: OP FOTM wrote: there are countless in-game people i talk to who are against the idea of a heavy nerf... because they're actually good players and can kill heavies easily... even my Minja friend thought it was stupid they just have a real life and don't come on forums come on CCP. don't listen to these cry babies and ruin the game even more... ridiculous. just nerf the range and if that doesn't shut them up, nothing will Nerf thier way too high dps and that's all that's needed. slaps range nerf will do! They instamelt suits in cqc a tad too fast, 100 or 200 les dps will do. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 558	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:48:00 - [25] - Quote I warned the heavies about a month ago there will be a nerf. Not because I was hating on them, just warning them. I was right, there is a nerf, poor caldari and minmatar sentinels...


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