DUST Search - How to improve sniper rifles

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Hmmm I wonder if the change to the damage profile would really matter that much. Considering the idea is to kill the enemy in a single shot, that means you need to deplete their armor and shields at the same time. Since its a -10% to shields and a +10% to armor, and the enemy has say 100 shields and 100 armor for a total of 200HP, your shot will do 90 and 110 to shields and armor respectfully, for a total of 200. So really the damage profile only comes into play for the difference in armor vs shield HP.

That being said, suits base stats are typically somewhat normalized, and all suits have a fair amount of armor and shields, despite tanking type, with the Amarr being the biggest outlyer. So essentially the difference in armor vs shields is quite a bit smaller than the HP total. Also, because armor tends to have more HP that shields, by normalizing the damage, you gain a much smaller amount of Shield HP damage than you lose Armor HP damage.

So by normalizing, you'll do a little bit more to shields, but a lot less to armor, and since you need to cut through both armor and shields on all suits, in most cases making it 0%/0%, you're actually nerfing the damage overall.


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Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 108	Posted - 2014.07.28 15:36:00 - [1] - Quote 1 The damage profiles need to be adjusted to 100/100 vs shield/armor. Let's face it, we won't be getting racial snipers ever, and this would make them viable against every race. 2 Actual crosshairs instead of a dot or the new circle that has been suggested. Snipers need better tools to be more acurate. 3 After zoomed ih using the left stick to help line up a shot should not cause sway. Using the ds3 requires the use of both sticks to aim properly in every game ever. This i s probably the #1 thing that needs addressed. If this isn't fixed, I have to say the only fair fix would be aim assist added, which I don't think anybody would be happy about. Aiming with only half the tumb sticks is just rediculous. 4 The zoom profiles on all weapons need adjusted with a possible multi zoom function. a. Thale left alone and charge gets the same. These weapons should be the long range killers. b. Tactical reduced to what the charge has currently. This rifle should be used by mobile snipers shadowing their squad/ team. It would also need a clip increase to 7 to perform this role properly. c. The regular sniper rifles (ishukone) should have get multi zoom. This would be make them the jack of all trade weapon. long range but not over the top damage or close range but slower rate of fire than the tac. 5 Small adjustment of the redline would also be fair for some maps. I hate not coming out of the red, but manus peek is a good example of a bad redline. moving the red at least to the tops of some huge maps gives the enemy a fair chance to to get into small arms range. This would not remove redline sniping, but at least would push them so deep in their red they would be unlikely to get more than 2-4 kills on any given map (pretty much pointless). 6 There needs to be incentive to come out of the red for everyone. Have an isk/sp cap that can be earned by time played as we have now but at a reduved isk/sp. Once out of the red your time is recorded and has a isk/SP multiplier. This would reward players for getting somewhere usefull and penalize stat padders. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2014.07.28 17:01:00 - [2] - Quote Forgot a few things: 7 change the hud color so it isn't obscured by similar background colors. You cant kill if you cant see the crosshair placement on an enemy/ equipment. 8 Put intel with in the scope hud. A sniper has to make split second decisions and current information placement hinders intel relay to team/ squad as well as wether or not to engage or save ammo. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2014.07.28 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Hmmm I wonder if the change to the damage profile would really matter that much. Considering the idea is to kill the enemy in a single shot, that means you need to deplete their armor and shields at the same time. Since its a -10% to shields and a +10% to armor, and the enemy has say 100 shields and 100 armor for a total of 200HP, your shot will do 90 and 110 to shields and armor respectfully, for a total of 200. So really the damage profile only comes into play for the difference in armor vs shield HP. That being said, suits base stats are typically somewhat normalized, and all suits have a fair amount of armor and shields, despite tanking type, with the Amarr being the biggest outlyer. So essentially the difference in armor vs shields is quite a bit smaller than the HP total. Also, because armor tends to have more HP that shields, by normalizing the damage, you gain a much smaller amount of Shield HP damage than you lose Armor HP damage. So by normalizing, you'll do a little bit more to shields, but a lot less to armor, and since you need to cut through both armor and shields on all suits, in most cases making it 0%/0%, you're actually nerfing the damage overall. True. I didn't do the math but I think changing the percentages vs shields would help too. I just wasn't sure what actual % to add to give damage a slight buff without actual adjusting the weapons themselves. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2014.07.29 01:33:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Let me toss together a quickie spreadsheet for say the sentinels so we can compare damage needed to kill with the -10/+10 and the 0/0. You may be right, but that was the first thought that came to mind. EDIT: Ok this is going off of the proposed Hotfix Charlie changes to the Sentinels. Assumed all skills are level 5. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0gt-4cnyOKQnIzLHkcBc6QBgvJhqlBUksjMc9jWZEM/edit?usp=sharing So in green you see where your proposed change would require you to do less damage than you currently do, red being more damage. Not only will you need to do more damage in general, when do you do need to do less, its a lesser change than the increase in needed damage against armored units. So essentially in general assuming an even distribution of suit and taking types, you're actually going to see an overall nerf to damage. Note that I didn't take the sentinel's resistances into account since I didn't want that to skew your perception of how this change would affect other suits, I just picked heavies since their high HP pool would show the differences the most. good information and thanks for the work you put in. I should have said leave armor profiles alone and buff vs shields. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2014.07.29 01:39:00 - [5] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: TheEnd762 wrote: HURR DURRR JUST GET RID OF SNIPERS ALL TOGETHER!!1! THEY ANNOY ME CUZ I CAN'T MOW THEM DOWN WITH MY AR/CR/ScR WHILE I RAMBO AROUND LIKE A CHICKEN WITH IT'S HEAD CUT OFF, NEVER TAKING COVER OR HAVING SITUATIONAL AWARENESS!! MAKE IT SO THEY CAN'T BE ON ROOFS EITHER, CUZ THEN THEY'LL JUST SNIPE AT GROUND LEVEL IN THE OPEN WHERE ANYONE CAN JUST RUN UP ON THEM, INSTEAD OF GOING INTO THE REDLINE, RIGHT?!? they will just redline if they cant roof camp ;p lol, did you two even read my original post? It was about buffing the sniper rifle while reducing all the qq about why no because redline excuse us snipes hear in every logical discussion on how to make sniping viable. Than again, logic seems to elude you fellas. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.