DUST Search - Stopping Roof Campers

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

Ahh, this IS a good topic.

True, getting and controlling the high point is valid tactic and a good gameplay element.

That being said, IF the game degenerates in non-stop dropship assaults to the same few locations, it is redundant and bad gameplay.

Many rooftops are far enough from edge hills, or too high, to be efficiently harrassed by sideline snipers/counterforgers.
There are still many rooftops which can only be reached by dropship - that is one issue.

Forge gun team is a beast up a tower. The reason for that is twofold:

- Two forge gunners make all but the most cunning and well coordinated assaults via dropships impossible
- forge sniping is way too easy (thread on that here), they do far more than just control tower as they instagib ants down below

Orbital is truly the one efficient way of clearing towercamps and tactics only big weakness. However, WP requirement for Orbitals rising might encourage more camping, well have to see.

The walls on roofs... They are not too well implemented, I know no person who's happy with them. Too many times people are just stuck there, with no way down or maybe even getting literally stuck in falling animation near walls.

[SUGGESTIONS:]
- Future architecture without flat roofs but rather A-roofs or circular domes which are too slanted for anything to stay up there?
- Setting some of 'trouble' roofs as sort of slippery: even though flat it could be like ice and everything would fall down. Maybe a bit unrealistic but for gameplay purposes possibly okay.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.07.27 12:14:00 - [1] - Quote I've seen plenty of people using Dropships to get on Roofs of buildings place a spawn beacon, Nanohives & sit there for the whole match bombarding us from the air to the ground, i've lost 4 matches today because of this, it makes the game unfair to play on any level. Their much be solutions to fix this, you can either: 1. Put a Wall barriers on the roofs 2. Put a suicidal timer on, similar when you walk out maps bounds or any of your choices.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.07.27 13:24:00 - [2] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: or you could get your lazy butt in a dropship and go up there and end the problem. i have to fly up there 4 to 5 times a game to clear them out. there is a wonderful thing called a assault dropship which also can clear roof top campers. then we have OBs which work wonders to clear them out. if they can get up on the roof so can you. while yes campers are annoying i find satisfaction in flying up there in my proto heavy suit and landing behind them and massacre there whole squad then sit and wait for more campers to spawn on the uplink. Didn't you ever think i haven't skilled into one? Besides i'm not a vehicle person. What the point anyway, this game attracts CoD players that'll rather camp then PTFO, but still the game is unplayable, i can barely walk out of our base without getting Redlined, i can barely go anywhere in an Urban District without getting bombarded from above, i can barely do anything. I'm having to use Militia Starter Fits because i died so many times from Noobs that i could barely refill my Proto Class. It's really annoying, and i thought Battlefield was worst...
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.07.27 14:54:00 - [3] - Quote I like how people say "Oh, it's easy do this and that" I've observed my team throughout every match, they didn't do crap, one and few people tried to stop them but they died quickly like squashed ants, even if you try to stop them they'll come back & you'll get killed over and over, it's an endless cycle of annoyance and waste of ISK... It's pointless unless every team member stops them (Which no one does then we failed), one teammate used OS (Orbital Strike) kill the whole team off the roof, but they still came back, i could reference them as cancer because that's what they give this game. First of all the Militia Dropship suck nuts, i've tried them myself they go down within a few shots both Gallente and Caldari variants when i was trying to flush them out. Militia Dropships are only useful when you're place spawn beacons on tops of roofs which is beginning to be a nuisance now, because when one person does it the others will follow & it'll become like a virus. Since i played DUST since Chromosome which i may say is way better than present DUST514, in terms of balanced gameplay, it was fun back then but now the game has had loads of train wrecks making it nearly unplayable. I hate to see Legion becoming like this. Now i'm not saying nerf weapons or nerfing anything, i'm just saying to find way to reduce roof campers.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.07.27 16:10:00 - [4] - Quote X7 lion wrote: all roof tops are either have ground acsess or alot of ground based cover, i hate being like the get good scrub people, but seriously this is basic stuff more suited to the ramblings of the general sections... Question, how can anyone get good when they're being bombarded with explosives & projectiles fired from above, you can't escape it, even if you try you'll die.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.07.27 16:40:00 - [5] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Ahh, this IS a good topic. True, getting and controlling the high point is valid tactic and a good gameplay element. That being said, IF the game degenerates in non-stop dropship assaults to the same few locations, it is redundant and bad gameplay. Many rooftops are far enough from edge hills, or too high, to be efficiently harrassed by sideline snipers/counterforgers. There are still many rooftops which can only be reached by dropship - that is one issue. Forge gun team is a beast up a tower. The reason for that is twofold: - Two forge gunners make all but the most cunning and well coordinated assaults via dropships impossible - forge sniping is way too easy (thread on that here), they do far more than just control tower as they instagib ants down below Orbital is truly the one efficient way of clearing towercamps and tactics only big weakness. However, WP requirement for Orbitals rising might encourage more camping, well have to see. The walls on roofs... They are not too well implemented, I know no person who's happy with them. Too many times people are just stuck there, with no way down or maybe even getting literally stuck in falling animation near walls. [SUGGESTIONS:] - Future architecture without flat roofs but rather A-roofs or circular domes which are too slanted for anything to stay up there? - Setting some of 'trouble' roofs as sort of slippery: even though flat it could be like ice and everything would fall down. Maybe a bit unrealistic but for gameplay purposes possibly okay. Very Informative thread, thanks
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.07.27 18:39:00 - [6] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - This is who's fault ??? No Ones, because i decide i didn't want to Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - That's prob part of YOUR problem Look dude if i don't want to spec into vehicles then i don't want to. I'm more efficient on ground when there's no campers. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - Because you don't like to do something about it but instead come to the forums to complain , this type of actions by players is berated and condemned but also is a ? problem ? for CCP to address ??? In case you didn't know, i've mentioned so many times that i tried to flush them off the roof in different methods, but i guess you didn't read that part did you? & this problem is not just in Dust but other FPSs and shouldn't be encouraged as much, i understand if there's a Sniper on the roof, but a bunch of dudes with Mass Drivers, Flylocks, Forge Guns, Grenades and other light weapons, bombarding infantry from the air isn't fair in anyway. I'm more of a chivalry player, i play fair than most people would do so, but for those that don't have any understanding of the situation are arrogant and not willing to fix it because it benefits them. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - So your a prototype player complaining about militia players ? Says a lot about you and how you play . Where did i say i'm being killed by militia players? Majority are using Advance & Proto Suits, with Mass Drivers, Flylocks, Grenades, Forge Gun etc And i barely use Proto suits now considering my ISK is nearly broke. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - Again , please don't throw stones . Who's throwing stones? you're making stupid allegations...