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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 01:08:00 -
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Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults.
And a pathetic 30 reps after delay
This is the death if a pure shield heavy suit, im dual tanking now.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 01:11:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults. Prehaps you should try playing to Shields ACTUAL strengths as opposed to simply stacking extenders all the way. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5830This suit has 650 Shields (1+ù PRO Extender).
My cal assault will have that much shields and 50 reps per second and smaller hitbox, or 2 energizers and 500 shield hp.
Cal heavy will be underpowered come hf charlie.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 01:15:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :(
You armor tankers can:
Have over 750 armor AND 450-ish shields, and 30 reps per second no delay, and get repped by logi.
While cal sent will....have hp of an assault and 80 reps per second or 800 shields with lol 30 reps per second with a delay to regen.
I don't see the point in cal sent anymore
My current fitting has 800 hp and 50 reps...or 700 hp and 80 reps per second...
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 02:45:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :( You armor tankers can: Have over 750 armor AND 450-ish shields, and 30 reps per second no delay, and get repped by logi. While cal sent will....have hp of an assault and 80 reps per second or 800 shields with lol 30 reps per second with a delay to regen. I don't see the point in cal sent anymore My current fitting has 800 hp and 50 reps...or 700 hp and 80 reps per second... Soooo, a Assault suit has just under 1200 base ehp? You Caldari guys gotta stop putting down the Gallente sentinel. We can get 30 reps per sec if we use every single low slot, you can get 20 reps a second if you use every single low slot. Not to mention the BASE 30 ehp you regain after the 4 second delay or the 1 second depleted delay. Enough with the pissing contest, it just looks really stupid.
Um
4 low slots, plate 3 reps
Or 2 plates 2 reps 0 delay and you have shields over armor so compared to shields armor is op.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 02:46:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :( You armor tankers can: Have over 750 armor AND 450-ish shields, and 30 reps per second no delay, and get repped by logi. While cal sent will....have hp of an assault and 80 reps per second or 800 shields with lol 30 reps per second with a delay to regen. I don't see the point in cal sent anymore My current fitting has 800 hp and 50 reps...or 700 hp and 80 reps per second... Soooo, a Assault suit has just under 1200 base ehp? You Caldari guys gotta stop putting down the Gallente sentinel. We can get 30 reps per sec if we use every single low slot, you can get 20 reps a second if you use every single low slot. Not to mention the BASE 30 ehp you regain after the 4 second delay or the 1 second depleted delay. Enough with the pissing contest, it just looks really stupid. And you Gal boys forget about DELAY that kicks in AGAIN when a stray bullet hits you. This is not the case on a armor suit. Not talking the Galente down, stating facts here. Shield is not as viable compared to armor. The shield vs armor recharge delay is a joke. Also flux takes away all your shields, is there a grenade that takes away all your armor? Shield vs armor needs balance. It's not about race, its about balance. That's the trade off, in the 1-4 seconds you have to get into cover, I rep 20-120 ehp. After that, you can rep up to 86 ehp a second. So at 5 seconds in, you have 86 ehp and 150. 6 seconds you have 172 and I have 180 At 7 seconds you have 250 and I have 210. So we only have the advantage for the first 4 seconds, unless your depleted delay kicks in...then you have us from the first second in. We stand and deliver, you guys hit and run.
Ahahaha
So funny, a 40 hp difference only after 7 seconds? You've got to be kidding me, that's hilariously underpowered, and a stray bullet doesn't stop your regen, nor do you have a delay, you can rep under fire...
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:So the Caldari Sentinel has Shield Delays so low that they may as well be non-existent, and yet you still feel the need to complain about it?
Seems Legit.
Yet armor remians surpeme...
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:01:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:S-PANZA wrote:And it takes 6 secs for the speedy Cal Sent to get to cover, giving you a whopping 2 extra secs to destroy him.  Are you pulling out in the middle of a firefight? @JR, we are changing to a 2/3 layout. 30 reps a second isn't going to save you from a HMG or even a 400 DPS rifle. Not to mention, you can get 20 reps a second and we can barely get 40 shield recharge a second if we use our only 2 high slots. You can get 86 a second! With just 2 mods! You can go all the way to 126 a second with 3 mods! You can get 75 percent of our reps and we can only get about 30-40 percent of you shield repair!
And our shield hp is 600!
And your armor is over 750, and amarr will be worse with its 4 lows, now cal sents will be utter crap, 3 highs, that means our shield hp is, 600 as I said, pathetic, my assault will have over 500 shields, and faster with smaller hitbox...
And I used a 30 rep 500 or 600 armor logi, I could survive for so long if a broken hmg didn't apear.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:03:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm not sure if the others have pointed it out but have you thought that maybe you are just a scrub?
If you're talking to me...you are aware to get 80 reps we have the shield hp of hf charlie assaults that are slow and have a big hitbox, right?
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:07:00 -
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Atiim wrote:JRleo jr wrote:
If you're talking to me...you are aware to get 80 reps we have the shield hp of hf charlie assaults that are slow and have a big hitbox, right?
With a 910 DPS, fully-automatic weapon.
Yes I agree that we have the broken hmg, we have the survive ability of a suit when the laser was op in beta, right? Because of our big hitbox.
The point of sentinels is defense, and a shield heavy with the hp of an assault is less than desirable.
Armor doesn't really count in this case, we don't armor tank.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults. Doesn't you shield regen kick in after a single second? That's pretty sweet.
That's the depleted delay if another shot doesn't hit us because a glitch ccp acknowledged.
However, if that were the regular delay I wouldn't be complaining.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:16:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:S-PANZA wrote:And it takes 6 secs for the speedy Cal Sent to get to cover, giving you a whopping 2 extra secs to destroy him. Are you pulling out in the middle of a firefight? @JR, we are changing to a 2/3 layout. 30 reps a second isn't going to save you from a HMG or even a 400 DPS rifle. Not to mention, you can get 20 reps a second and we can barely get 40 shield recharge a second if we use our only 2 high slots. You can get 86 a second! With just 2 mods! You can go all the way to 126 a second with 3 mods! You can get 75 percent of our reps and we can only get about 30-40 percent of you shield repair! And our shield hp is 600! And your armor is over 750, and amarr will be worse with its 4 lows, now cal sents will be utter crap, 3 highs, that means our shield hp is, 600 as I said, pathetic, my assault will have over 500 shields, and faster with smaller hitbox... And I used a 30 rep 500 or 600 armor logi, I could survive for so long if a broken hmg didn't apear. But that's the trade off...much lower overall ehp that of an medium frame...higher overall recharge that isn't viable vs armor especially with a logi. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/5834 Caldari CK.0 http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/5833 Gallente GK.0 the Gallente is over his CPU and wouldn't even be able to run this fit Oh and if you think the Amarr is going to be worst with a 1/4 layout...heh
I meant the amarr will be better at armor tanking, if I didn't make it clear enough.
Also, share your fittings.
A sentinel is supposed to have a more defense than a medium frame, enough to tank more, yet, the cal sent will not, and only at proto is it somewhat viable.
Look at it this way:
Sure, 86 reps looks nice and decent without a logi, but with the shield hp of hf charlie cal assault, and less ehp than armor, it isn't really suited in pc exept for forging simply because the nature of less hp, no repping ability, and just the delay..I think you get it.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:49:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Ah, I didn't know I had to hit share.
Basically(like I said with my original post) Gallente can't rep tank anymore because we just don't have enough ehp to stand toe to toe with the new Amarr.
Of course, that does depend on the new dmg mod changes, the 2 high slots could give us enough of a advantage to possibly rep tank and still be able to stand up to a Amarr sentinel, but I somewhat doubt that.
Saw your fitting.
That doesn't count for a cal sent fit.
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Posted - 2014.07.26 04:33:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Ah, I didn't know I had to hit share.
Basically(like I said with my original post) Gallente can't rep tank anymore because we just don't have enough ehp to stand toe to toe with the new Amarr.
Of course, that does depend on the new dmg mod changes, the 2 high slots could give us enough of a advantage to possibly rep tank and still be able to stand up to a Amarr sentinel, but I somewhat doubt that. Saw your fitting. That doesn't count for a cal sent fit. Ok, whys that? You have nearly as much ehp as my Gallente assault with 2 plates, your faster, you rep 3 armour a sec vs my 10 per a second and you still have 86 shield recharge a second vs my 15 a second. Wait a second...why not just replace a extender with a ferroscale plate? They are easier to fit and you get more hp out of them...
It doesn't count because it isn't a pure shield tank, which is why cal sent is up.
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