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ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 684	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:52:00 - [2] - Quote That would have to be a pretty big bonus... and why should it be a pipe dream to fit a shield extender on a scout suit? They have that 40 regen there for a reason. I suppose the 270 shields and 87 armor on my wallhackz suit is a bit OP though... Nova Knives are best sidearm.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:56:00 - [3] - Quote I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Arcturis Vanguard Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 206	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:57:00 - [4] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit God dude you need to smoke some herb and chill out. You are being a child in behavior and getting very old very quickly. You cry more then my 3 yr old. Please, for the love of sanity, stop your rants... Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit God dude you need to smoke some herb and chill out. You are being a child in behavior and getting very old very quickly. You cry more then my 3 yr old. Please, for the love of sanity, stop your rants... I am merely matching the words of the scouts how can it be wrong for me and not for them? Also to call my modest proposal a rant is actually quite insulting to be honest If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Arcturis Vanguard Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 206	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:03:00 - [6] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit God dude you need to smoke some herb and chill out. You are being a child in behavior and getting very old very quickly. You cry more then my 3 yr old. Please, for the love of sanity, stop your rants... I am merely matching the words of the scouts how can it be wrong for me and not for them? Also to call my modest proposal a rant is actually quite insulting to be honest I'm glad it's an insult to you because all your posts have been a continuation of a rant. Please stop and be more constructive. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 684	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:05:00 - [7] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? Hey, look on the bright side. Heavies will still be able to get the highest HP in the game while maintaining their hold on the greatest source of DPS short of a tank. Oh, and... Welcome to the wonderful world of Minmatar problems. Enjoy your stay and have a nice day. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:06:00 - [8] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit God dude you need to smoke some herb and chill out. You are being a child in behavior and getting very old very quickly. You cry more then my 3 yr old. Please, for the love of sanity, stop your rants... I am merely matching the words of the scouts how can it be wrong for me and not for them? Also to call my modest proposal a rant is actually quite insulting to be honest I'm glad it's an insult to you because all your posts have been a continuation of a rant. Please stop and be more constructive. Like the scouts were...? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 584	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:13:00 - [9] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit God dude you need to smoke some herb and chill out. You are being a child in behavior and getting very old very quickly. You cry more then my 3 yr old. Please, for the love of sanity, stop your rants... I am merely matching the words of the scouts how can it be wrong for me and not for them? Also to call my modest proposal a rant is actually quite insulting to be honest I'm glad it's an insult to you because all your posts have been a continuation of a rant. Please stop and be more constructive. Like the scouts were...? You really are shameless....do understand why CCP is giving pg buff to scouts (specifically minja) for Hotfix charlie? Apparently you don't, so go read the Charlie Hotfix changes and you'll understand why. So seriously stop ranting. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:15:00 - [10] - Quote Ill stop when you do... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1686	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? As a heavy this is the worst example of pubbie logic I have seen in these forums to date. Further, if you're going to troll, posting with a Shameless Alt is pretty sad. At least try subtlety next time? 1/10
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? Yes because scouts start with the lowest pg/cpu as well as the lowest eHP........and in case you did notice but mods cost a lot of cpu/pg.....So cutting a scout pg/cpu would be just like saying just throw away all the work you did to earn the sp you needed top get all your scout skills to 5 because now they are making them completely useless
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? Yes because scouts start with the lowest pg/cpu as well as the lowest eHP........and in case you did notice but mods cost a lot of cpu/pg.....So cutting a scout pg/cpu would be just like saying just throw away all the work you did to earn the sp you needed top get all your scout skills to 5 because now they are making them completely useless use your eyes and brain and tell me which one has lower fitting space wallhacker or poor fat suit If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:07:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? As a heavy this is the worst example of pubbie logic I have seen in these forums to date. Further, if you're going to troll, posting with a Shameless Alt is pretty sad. At least try subtlety next time? 1/10 should I have posted with a SubtleALT If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Nrabatar Zorig Nos Nothi 181	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:25:00 - [15] - Quote You don't "fix scouts" by simply nerfing them to oblivion. Cutting our fitting capacity in half would only leave us in an even worse situation than before 1.8, or at any point in DUST's history. The whole issue with OP scouts is a combination of several issues which are not even directly related to scouts, like current scanning meta, the way WP is earned, squad intel sharing, assaults barely being used used etc. If we just work on one problem and ignore the big picture, we'll only end up with something else becoming OP or FoTM. Again, this isn't a simple issue that can be fixed with a single nerf. What we need is an extensive tweaking of pretty much all game mechanics to switch the meta focus alongside changing dropsuit values, bonuses and other stuff for all suits and equipment. Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:46:00 - [16] - Quote Hey you guy are being very hypocritical... I hate rant just as much as the next guy but... Havent people (scouts mainly) been on a rant about heavies... If we're going to point out one guy lets point them all out... Or is the true reason for this hypocrisy is the simple fact that the QQ benefits your class? Please put an end to this. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4511	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:54:00 - [17] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Hey you guy are being very hypocritical... I hate rant just as much as the next guy but... Havent people (scouts mainly) been on a rant about heavies... If we're going to point out one guy lets point them all out... Or is the true reason for this hypocrisy is the simple fact that the QQ benefits your class? Please put an end to this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709&find=unread Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2356	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:00:00 - [18] - Quote GÇ£I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. And even then, KDR matchmaking would fix it." GÇò Albert Einstein K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:01:00 - [19] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: MythTanker wrote: Hey you guy are being very hypocritical... I hate rant just as much as the next guy but... Havent people (scouts mainly) been on a rant about heavies... If we're going to point out one guy lets point them all out... Or is the true reason for this hypocrisy is the simple fact that the QQ benefits your class? Please put an end to this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709&find=unread Your point being?... I saw alot of constructive points there... Not a QQ "hevy kilz me nerf it". Look at the first 5 GD pages hypocrite. How many heavy QQ threads do you see? You're nothing more than a QQer sympathiser. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5482	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:08:00 - [20] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit Scouts are ok.Sentinels are ok. MEd frames need and will get buff. Stop looking for stupid solutions for a suit that is working as intended. TY very much. Stealth Storm

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4513	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:10:00 - [21] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: MythTanker wrote: Hey you guy are being very hypocritical... I hate rant just as much as the next guy but... Havent people (scouts mainly) been on a rant about heavies... If we're going to point out one guy lets point them all out... Or is the true reason for this hypocrisy is the simple fact that the QQ benefits your class? Please put an end to this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709&find=unread Your point being?... I saw alot of constructive points there... Not a QQ "hevy kilz me nerf it". Look at the first 5 GD pages hypocrite. How many heavy QQ threads do you see? You're nothing more than a QQer sympathiser. I literally linked a thread and you come at me with these aggressive names I give you a suggested reading and you call me: Hypocrite QQ sympathiser Here's some more suggested reading, from the first five pages of GD: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169009&find=unread Uno mas: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2082624#post2082624 Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:17:00 - [22] - Quote Havent i already called out heavy rants? You still have yet to call out Heavy QQ rants. This just proves that you are a hypocritical QQ sympathiser The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4513	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:25:00 - [23] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Havent i already called out heavy rants? You still have yet to call out Heavy QQ rants. This just proves that you are a hypocritical QQ sympathiser Hypocrite - a person who indulges in hypocrisy Hipocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense What beliefs does my behavior not conform to? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 133	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:39:00 - [24] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: MythTanker wrote: Havent i already called out heavy rants? You still have yet to call out Heavy QQ rants. This just proves that you are a hypocritical QQ sympathiser Hypocrite - a person who indulges in hypocrisy Hipocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense What beliefs does my behavior not conform to? The simple fact that you call out one group but not the other. May not be text book example of it but its close enough. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4517	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:51:00 - [25] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: MythTanker wrote: Havent i already called out heavy rants? You still have yet to call out Heavy QQ rants. This just proves that you are a hypocritical QQ sympathiser Hypocrite - a person who indulges in hypocrisy Hipocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense What beliefs does my behavior not conform to? The simple fact that you call out one group but not the other. May not be text book example of it but its close enough. Don't make me laugh https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2254013#post2254013 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2256106#post2256106 I have said this plenty of times Scouts openly admit there is problem. For one thing we were nerfed in Alpha and still admit it. We talked to Rattati @ The Barbershop and we had a constructive discussion. In fact Rattati himself agrees that sentinel PG/CPU needs a tone down: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2245746#post2245746 Here's the post he was agreeing with: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2245628#post2245628 You have assaulted me without basis. I find it puzzling that one goes around calling everyone a hypocrite yet does not dig for any history to find a basis for it. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 62	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:01:00 - [26] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: after they get a fitting bonus to "scouty" weapons and modules of course. It should be a pipe dream to fit even an advanced armor plate or shield extender on such a ewar and speed intensive suit Exactly what is a "scouty" weapon? Shotgun? Because that's what 9/10 heavies are complaining about...
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3013	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:09:00 - [27] - Quote Thanks for the tears. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4537	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:28:00 - [28] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Thanks for the tears. His eyes look at me, saying "You want some of this?" My eyes say "I would like some of that" Gulp Gulp Gulp Salt never tasted so sweet Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 144	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:39:00 - [29] - Quote @bonjo its Insult* btw. Does a few scouts on a thread make up for the 100s of FOTM scouts(You see the difference?)on the forums. FOTM heavies are just as bad... but they seem to be the only one called out for doing so... anyone who engages in that is a hypocrite... I didnt look at those because i most likely read them before, and if they happen to be FOTM scouts QQing then i will take back my hypocrite comment but so many people are oblivious to this... its sickening. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2247	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:43:00 - [30] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I am merely applying the same logic to scouts that was applied to heavies... is it wrong to do so? Heavies will still be aale to fit full proto minus an adv or basic level sidearm and nades, what you're suggesting is just complete garbage to make prot-anything impossible for scouts, and yeah it's wrong... Tired of repeating myself so here's a bunch of copy-pastes... Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: FOTM heavies are the ones bitching, us relics (True Heavies to use some wonderful "Elitist" speak ^^ )are noticing that these "new" values are about the same/smidgen higher then the old Sentinel values, and those were perfectly fine. And hell, I'll finaly be able to use my optimization skills again. If people are REALLY complaining that their fully prototype heavy is going to have to downgrade the grenades and sidearm to basic/adv while leaving everything else at proto, then they are just terrible players to begin with. Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Seriously people, I've used heavies since, well, two weeks after they ever existed. These new PG/CPU values are better then they have ever been besides the current iteration which is a bit nuts. The instant they changed them to what we have now after 1.7 I knew someone was going to get nerfed, the current values are just too high. HFC won't "break" heavies, it will put them properly in line with the rest of the suits. Currently heavies don't have to think to fit crap on a suit, and what you can fit on a basic frame is ridiculous. But hey, that's just, like, my opinion... man. Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Looking closer and I'm fine with the new numbers, it is still better then the old Sent values, and I can finally put to use my HMG Optimization skill again. The old Amarr Proto Sent once you fit four complex plates, a complex d-mod, and a boundless HMG, only had around four-six PG left for sidearms and grenades even with HMG Opt skill and maxed core skills giving +30% to CPU and PG. These new values are fine imo. Maybe these values will chase off some of the FOTM users who were lazy and lacked proper core skills. Though I'll miss mowing down "fake" heavies. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2914	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:53:00 - [31] - Quote MythTanker wrote: @bonjo its Insult* btw. Does a few scouts on a thread make up for the 100s of FOTM scouts(You see the difference?)on the forums. FOTM heavies are just as bad... but they seem to be the only one called out for doing so... anyone who engages in that is a hypocrite... I didnt look at those because i most likely read them before, and if they happen to be FOTM scouts QQing then i will take back my hypocrite comment but so many people are oblivious to this... its sickening. People who can't spell Bojo shouldn't give language advice. It is not just a few scouts on the thread, its the scouts who were scouts before it was popular or even viable to be a scout. Back when you rarely saw more than one scout across 2 teams. They were the ones who called for changes when it was weak, and who are calling for appropriate changes when certain suits were too strong. There will always be FOTM chasers, and they will always want to keep their crutches. Ignoring the people that are trying to balance the game and giving FOTM players and QQers any credence isn't helpful. Instead, try and honestly engage with those wanting reasonable changes and ignore those who are making ridiculous changes if you can't find the patience to constructively point out their errors. This is how a minja feels
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4537	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:58:00 - [32] - Quote MythTanker wrote: @bonjo its Insult* btw. Does a few scouts on a thread make up for the 100s of FOTM scouts(You see the difference?)on the forums. FOTM heavies are just as bad... but they seem to be the only one called out for doing so... anyone who engages in that is a hypocrite... I didnt look at those because i most likely read them before, and if they happen to be FOTM scouts QQing then i will take back my hypocrite comment but so many people are oblivious to this... its sickening. What is your point? FOTM has nothing to do with sentinels. Sentinels are the FOTM correct but they can fit absolutely everything and anything. It wouldn't matter if heavies weren't FOTM, if they have the same stats as is, they still have too much. Same thing with scouts. FOTM, even if it didn't apply to them, have too much. anyone who engages in that is a hypocrite - I LOL'd. FOTM scouts aren't going to call themselves out just like you aren't calling yourself out. If you aren't a FOTM heavy you'd call yourself out. I've called out scouts, why haven't you called out heavies? That's the hypocrisy: You telling me that I'm not calling out scouts when I am and you're not calling out heavies but you're calling me out for calling out heavies and telling me that I'm not calling out scouts, when I am, etcetera etcetera. Xocoyol Zaraoul is calling out heavies and he's a heavy, why won't you? Why won't you join the good guys and look at reason. Heavies can fit too much for what they have. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!


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