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Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3679	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2383	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:41:00 - [2] - Quote People like you just can't leave ** alone can't you? CEO/ Killing Clones Since Uprising 1.2/ ADV Omni Soldier/ Forum King/** God Favors The Side With The Most Artillery
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4491	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:43:00 - [3] - Quote I'd agree to this If and only if LOS Scan Precision = Precision Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3681	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:56:00 - [4] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: People like you just can't leave **** alone can't you? What are you talking about? People have been asking for shared passive scans to be turned off for awhile now. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Arcturis Vanguard Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 208	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? I don't see why not. When I'm in my scout suit I don't just rush into a red dot. I lie in wait to see what the individual does. More then likely if you patient enough, you will see then move and you can use sound judgement in which direction they are facing when moving. I mean for real, who runs backwards 100% of the time? Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1658	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:11:00 - [6] - Quote The arrow is the only counter to heavies. Without it, everyone would be chucked into a meat grinder every time a heavy pinged on the radar. Its fine as is. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1658	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:13:00 - [7] - Quote I do, however, want shared passives removed entirely. There will be no balance until a heavy with an HMG cannot have the scan powers of a 3-4 precision caldari scout. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 297	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:13:00 - [8] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? I don't see why not. When I'm in my scout suit I don't just rush into a red dot. I lie in wait to see what the individual does. More then likely if you patient enough, you will see then move and you can use sound judgement in which direction they are facing when moving. I mean for real, who runs backwards 100% of the time? I run backwards just as much as I run forward I have no problems with shared scan, we have the technology in today's military to have that kind of information (on friendlies automatically, and hostiles with drones/intel) why would the future be any different? It's not game breaking as it's available to both sides. HTFU
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 220	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:36:00 - [9] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I do, however, want shared passives removed entirely. There will be no balance until a heavy with an HMG cannot have the scan powers of a 3-4 precision caldari scout. Dont blame caldaris, now its amarrs job (well.. will be). It should be totaly removed. Heavy with logi can see if somone sneaks up to them, not cool. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:37:00 - [10] - Quote I'd say INB4 scouts crying about their crutch but it seem I'm too late If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 261	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote The answer is I wouldn't kill as proficiently. I often watch the Tacnet once I scan a victim to come up behind them. So, no, this would impact me negatively on a personal level so I am not in favor of it. Forum win! We engaged in a battle of wits, and you brought dumb to a wit fight.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5737	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:12:00 - [12] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? I don't see why not. When I'm in my scout suit I don't just rush into a red dot. I lie in wait to see what the individual does. More then likely if you patient enough, you will see then move and you can use sound judgement in which direction they are facing when moving. I mean for real, who runs backwards 100% of the time? We all run into that 1 guy pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3683	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:12:00 - [13] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? I don't see why not. When I'm in my scout suit I don't just rush into a red dot. I lie in wait to see what the individual does. More then likely if you patient enough, you will see then move and you can use sound judgement in which direction they are facing when moving. I mean for real, who runs backwards 100% of the time? I run backwards just as much as I run forward I have no problems with shared scan, we have the technology in today's military to have that kind of information (on friendlies automatically, and hostiles with drones/intel) why would the future be any different? It's not game breaking as it's available to both sides. HTFU (Not you Arcturis, Cody Sietz) If it's not game breaking, then why not remove it? I don't care about scouts seeing everything around us(it is our jobs) but I do care about heavies seeing everything around them. Heck, just remove the arrow on the ball for shared scans but leave the scouts arrow and ball alone for all I care. I'm just tired of having to run 2-3 damps to hide from heavies and not other scouts. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3683	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:13:00 - [14] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The arrow is the only counter to heavies. Without it, everyone would be chucked into a meat grinder every time a heavy pinged on the radar. Its fine as is. I'm not talking about the heavy arrow, I'm talking about the ball+arrow that shows where the enemy is looking. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:18:00 - [15] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: RayRay James wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? I don't see why not. When I'm in my scout suit I don't just rush into a red dot. I lie in wait to see what the individual does. More then likely if you patient enough, you will see then move and you can use sound judgement in which direction they are facing when moving. I mean for real, who runs backwards 100% of the time? I run backwards just as much as I run forward I have no problems with shared scan, we have the technology in today's military to have that kind of information (on friendlies automatically, and hostiles with drones/intel) why would the future be any different? It's not game breaking as it's available to both sides. HTFU (Not you Arcturis, Cody Sietz) If it's not game breaking, then why not remove it? I don't care about scouts seeing everything around us(it is our jobs) but I do care about heavies seeing everything around them. Heck, just remove the arrow on the ball for shared scans but leave the scouts arrow and ball alone for all I care. I'm just tired of having to run 2-3 damps to hide from heavies and not other scouts. NOONE should get directional data outside of which way they are moving If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10899	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:18:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati said that this would require a Client-Side update. And nothing of value was lost that day... -HAND
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4511	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:59:00 - [17] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'd agree to this If and only if LOS Scan Precision = Precision Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3684	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:04:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati said that this would require a Client-Side update. I know he said a patch was needed for removing passive scans, but he never said removing the ball was impossible. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4511	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:06:00 - [19] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati said that this would require a Client-Side update. I know he said a patch was needed for removing passive scans, but he never said removing the ball was impossible. Newer suits don't have a dot they are purely an inverted directional arrow. It's weird at first I could never tell what direction they were facing but now I have come to understand that the V designates the angle of their LOS scan. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Michael Arck 4961	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:07:00 - [20] - Quote Yo seriously man, be quiet. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*

Michael Arck 4961	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:09:00 - [21] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I do, however, want shared passives removed entirely. There will be no balance until a heavy with an HMG cannot have the scan powers of a 3-4 precision caldari scout. Dont blame caldaris, now its amarrs job (well.. will be). It should be totaly removed. Heavy with logi can see if somone sneaks up to them, not cool. And? Some crying ass people on these forums man Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3686	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:03:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Arck 4963	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:10:00 - [23] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? So what is actually broken about the direction arrows from tacnet??? So you're into witch hunts? I'm not particularly fond of looking for things to nerf just for the sake of. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4523	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:13:00 - [24] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'd agree to this If and only if LOS Scan Precision = Precision Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3686	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:15:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? So what is actually broken about the direction arrows from tacnet??? So you're into witch hunts? I'm not particularly fond of looking for things to nerf just for the sake of. Passive scans are giving heavies super vision, if you think that's not broken...well I don't know what to tell you. Removing the arrow(since we can't remove shard passive scanning) would help ease issues we are having right now. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4523	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:19:00 - [26] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'd agree to this If and only if LOS Scan Precision = Precision Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Michael Arck 4963	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:32:00 - [27] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? So what is actually broken about the direction arrows from tacnet??? So you're into witch hunts? I'm not particularly fond of looking for things to nerf just for the sake of. Passive scans are giving heavies super vision, if you think that's not broken...well I don't know what to tell you. Removing the arrow(since we can't remove shard passive scanning) would help ease issues we are having right now. So basically teamwork is OP? So basically you want to continue the path of nerfing heavies because he knows of your location? Do you even counter brah? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2397	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:33:00 - [28] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Do you even counter brah? I see Moody started a trend > *BRING THE VEHICLES OF OLD BACK FROM THE DEAD!*
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3686	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:36:00 - [29] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? So what is actually broken about the direction arrows from tacnet??? So you're into witch hunts? I'm not particularly fond of looking for things to nerf just for the sake of. Passive scans are giving heavies super vision, if you think that's not broken...well I don't know what to tell you. Removing the arrow(since we can't remove shard passive scanning) would help ease issues we are having right now. So basically teamwork is OP? So basically you want to continue the path of nerfing heavies because he knows of your location? Do you even counter brah? Counter what? My scout needs 2-3 damps and my assault is unable to hide. My heavy is the only thing I can use to push a point and even then all heavies know which direction I'm coming from and where I'm aiming. How do you counter that? CCP has even said that they would shut shared passive scanning down but can't because of the client side patch issue. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Arck 4964	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:43:00 - [30] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Counter what? My scout needs 2-3 damps and my assault is unable to hide. My heavy is the only thing I can use to push a point and even then all heavies know which direction I'm coming from and where I'm aiming. How do you counter that? CCP has even said that they would shut shared passive scanning down but can't because of the client side patch issue. How? I don't know, lets say by being a squad and blobbing? I think that's a good start. I don't care what CCP says, they just catering to the whiny majority. Do you even have field awareness brah? Do you just sit in one spot brah? Do you even know how to dance brah? You're in a scout suit and you can't throw a sentinel off his aim? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3686	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:49:00 - [31] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Counter what? My scout needs 2-3 damps and my assault is unable to hide. My heavy is the only thing I can use to push a point and even then all heavies know which direction I'm coming from and where I'm aiming. How do you counter that? CCP has even said that they would shut shared passive scanning down but can't because of the client side patch issue. How? I don't know, lets say by being a squad and blobbing? I think that's a good start. I don't care what CCP says, they just catering to the whiny majority. Do you even have field awareness brah? Do you just sit in one spot brah? Do you even know how to dance brah? You're in a scout suit and you can't throw a sentinel off his aim? How about 5 sentinels and a scout in a squad? It is actually shocking to me that you support 24/7 360 scans for a whole squad. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2398	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:51:00 - [32] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Counter what? My scout needs 2-3 damps and my assault is unable to hide. My heavy is the only thing I can use to push a point and even then all heavies know which direction I'm coming from and where I'm aiming. How do you counter that? CCP has even said that they would shut shared passive scanning down but can't because of the client side patch issue. How? I don't know, lets say by being a squad and blobbing? I think that's a good start. I don't care what CCP says, they just catering to the whiny majority. Do you even have field awareness brah? Do you just sit in one spot brah? Do you even know how to dance brah? You're in a scout suit and you can't throw a sentinel off his aim? How about 5 sentinels and a scout in a squad? It is actually shocking to me that you support 24/7 360 scans for a whole squad. You haven't given one reason why this is a good mechanic. Cuz teamwork? EDIT: Are you encouraging solo play? > *BRING THE VEHICLES OF OLD BACK FROM THE DEAD!*
Michael Arck 4965	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:00:00 - [33] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: How about 5 sentinels and a scout in a squad? It is actually shocking to me that you support 24/7 360 scans for a whole squad. You haven't given one reason why this is a good mechanic. And you haven't given me one good reason why it should be removed, especially since you're now throwing in theory as if its fact. When has anybody seen 5 sentinels and one scout in a squad? Besides the point, why aren't you confronting what I'm suggesting? Why aren't you countering with your SVER corpmates in organized teamplay? You know the risks of playing solo. Why moan about it? Join a squad if you got a problem with no one watching your six but the enemy heavy. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 545	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:03:00 - [34] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: People like you just can't leave **** alone can't you? What are you talking about? People have been asking for shared passive scans to be turned off for awhile now. I want a module that marks the enemy that shoots at me...we will call it... 'Monomania Detector'. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3686	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:14:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: How about 5 sentinels and a scout in a squad? It is actually shocking to me that you support 24/7 360 scans for a whole squad. You haven't given one reason why this is a good mechanic. And you haven't given me one good reason why it should be removed, especially since you're now throwing in theory as if its fact. When has anybody seen 5 sentinels and one scout in a squad? Besides the point, why aren't you confronting what I'm suggesting? Why aren't you countering with your SVER corpmates in organized teamplay? You know the risks of playing solo. Why moan about it? Join a squad if you got a problem with no one watching your six but the enemy heavy. Because it gives everybody in a squad a advantage that can't be countered except by a few suits and even then it leaves you weak and defenseless. Precision applies to a whole squad and damps only apply to one person. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5484	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:18:00 - [36] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Since we can't get rid of shared passive scanning, how about if we just got rid of the arrow that shows which direction the target is moving? Im a scout. I disagree with Passive scanning, yes, but i dont like removing the arrow. ITs half of the purpose of E-war... knowing when to attack. Stealth Storm
Michael Arck 4973	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:25:00 - [37] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: How about 5 sentinels and a scout in a squad? It is actually shocking to me that you support 24/7 360 scans for a whole squad. You haven't given one reason why this is a good mechanic. And you haven't given me one good reason why it should be removed, especially since you're now throwing in theory as if its fact. When has anybody seen 5 sentinels and one scout in a squad? Besides the point, why aren't you confronting what I'm suggesting? Why aren't you countering with your SVER corpmates in organized teamplay? You know the risks of playing solo. Why moan about it? Join a squad if you got a problem with no one watching your six but the enemy heavy. Because it gives everybody in a squad a advantage that can't be countered except by a few suits and even then it leaves you weak and defenseless. Precision applies to a whole squad and damps only apply to one person. You're still giving reasons for your argument without listening or acknowledging mines. Okay then. I disagree with your OP. You have pretty baseless statements to want the change. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 298	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:00:00 - [38] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? It's not broken. It's working as intended. You really do like to cry on the forums man. People here have given valid reasons and instead of arguing your point, you ignore them and regurgitate the same thing over and over. 2/10 would not read again
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1492	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:18:00 - [39] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati said that this would require a Client-Side update. I know he said a patch was needed for removing passive scans, but he never said removing the ball was impossible. Anything that changes how the game looks requires client side. Only things that can be changed server side are numbers. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1666	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:24:00 - [40] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yo seriously man, be quiet. So are you only into Broken stuff? So what is actually broken about the direction arrows from tacnet??? So you're into witch hunts? I'm not particularly fond of looking for things to nerf just for the sake of. Passive scans are giving heavies super vision, if you think that's not broken...well I don't know what to tell you. Removing the arrow(since we can't remove shard passive scanning) would help ease issues we are having right now. Removing the directional arrow would only benefit heavies. Removing passives would be what should happen, with everything else staying the same. Much, much easier to balance. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand

Clone D Grundstein Automation 674	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:47:00 - [41] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I do, however, want shared passives removed entirely. There will be no balance until a heavy with an HMG cannot have the scan powers of a 3-4 precision caldari scout. I like shared scans and would prefer them to propagate at the team level simply due to the fact that it's a future war with advanced tech. Intel would be a top priority and would be piped out to every team member in the region. We already currently do this with jet fighters. When they pick up bogey signatures, then their systems update every other friendly pilot's readout. I think in this case, realism would improve gameplay and force scouts to trade off those brick tank slots for profile dampeners. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2292	Posted - 2014.07.25 16:47:00 - [42] - Quote When I saw those arrows i thought they where gonna actually give me relevant information. Like if the target is above or below me.. That would of been REALLY helpful. What we got was a big wtf?!?!?!? they spent time on this? CCP Shanghai must have a Toilet made of solid gold that they flush their money down.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 224	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:51:00 - [43] - Quote Turn off shared passive, but allow non squad-leaders to point out targets to their team.


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