DUST Search - Torn between skilling into Minja or the GalFrog

J4yne C0bb wrote:

Sounds like you want to Minja, but you're not sure about it. I have a Minja on an alt, about 17 mil SP, prof 5 NK, and it is hard as f**k... but I've never had this much fun in a long time. I started as a Min logi, worked my way into heavy, and scout was just so freaking hard. But it's good because it requires you to see the battlefield in a completely new way, and play entirely different from what you may be used to. It renewed my interest in the game for me, to be perfectly honest.

Also, getting NK kills are the best. I mean, seriously, I cackle maniaclly when I get one, to the point where my squadmates think I'm a lunatic. But no joke, it takes a metric crapton of practice to do it on a consistent basis. The key for me is that I had to force myself to use them, to think of them as a primary weapon, rather than backup. I failed pretty regularly whenever I fit any kind of rifle or smg, because I would always revert back to my gun when in trouble, instead of running away or finding another angle of attack. So I created a ZN-28 fitting only -- no backup weapon at all -- and no extenders or plates of any kind. Precision enhancers and dampers only.

So I ran around with that for a couple weeks, and my perspective changed entirely. I eventually settled on using a scram pistol also, because you want to be able to quickly flip R1 if you are holding a charge and want to release, but dont want your prey to hear the nk go off.

Anyway, its been a blast for me. Cal heavy is a good choice too, even if you already have Amarr, because Cal is the best for forge gunning, in my opinion. Snipers have a hard time with you on towers because of the shield recharge speed, and you can fill the highs with damage modes. I dont even bother trying to run a forge on my Amarr suits anymore.

CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.


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OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 150	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:00:00 - [1] - Quote The buff to Amarr also makes it somewhat appealing but I will never touch the Calamari scum dropsuit. First of all let me say I am a terrible scout... I tried it way back in the day when I joined Dust last year and I hated it. Pretty much the only reasons I'm considering it are: the cloak making it easier for people like me who can't stand being a glass cannon in a FPS, and the biotics and EWAR skills boosting all of my dropsuits not just the scout. Gallente with a shotty is easy mode. Seriously. I'm the shittiest scout on the planet, but with a cloak and a shotty I'm pretty damn good. I just love being invisible with that suit. One time on my Gal scout character, I defended enemy home point on a 5 point bridge map, and I barely even died once or twice and held it the whole match. Minja appeals to me because I used to be a Min Logi hacker but I respeced out of it. I have seen Minjas in PC battles sneak in right under our noses and hack the fully guarded objective before we even realized they're there. But knifing is really hard compared to just having a shotgun, and I have a feeling I will be terrible without one (people usually use combat rifles.) I have a character with proto knives, advanced suit, a cloak, proto damps and advanced combat rifle... and I just suck at it so much. It would be very hard and take a lot of getting used to. I'd also be hard pressed not to even bother using the CR because I already have the AR and I don't want to spend too much SP. Maybe I'd have a better time of it with Kin Cats. Not only is the Amarr looking good once hotfix Charlie comes, but I might also save my SP and see if the Assault suit becomes viable again. There's nothing I'd love more than ripping people apart with a Gallente that actually has a GOOD AR bonus. Lastly, another thing I've considered was the Caldari Sentinel. But it kind of seems pointless that I already have the Amarr proto'd out, and would just wind up using it less and spreading my SP thinner. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 150	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:07:00 - [2] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: You shouldnt play as a scout then if tou think its that easy mode. You better go play as a heavy. Your reading comprehension needs work. I said GalFrogs are easy mode. Minja is hard mode, Amarr is looking to become the new middle ground, and Caldari are just OP. I'm going to have to pick either a scout or an assault if they become viable, because I'll need a suit I can put Biotics on. Right now I've just got the GalLogi and I'd rather have him armor tanked than speedy. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 151	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:40:00 - [3] - Quote more posts plz especially from minjas CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 161	Posted - 2014.07.23 10:20:00 - [4] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Sounds like you want to Minja, but you're not sure about it. I have a Minja on an alt, about 17 mil SP, prof 5 NK, and it is hard as f**k... but I've never had this much fun in a long time. I started as a Min logi, worked my way into heavy, and scout was just so freaking hard. But it's good because it requires you to see the battlefield in a completely new way, and play entirely different from what you may be used to. It renewed my interest in the game for me, to be perfectly honest. Also, getting NK kills are the best. I mean, seriously, I cackle maniaclly when I get one, to the point where my squadmates think I'm a lunatic. But no joke, it takes a metric crapton of practice to do it on a consistent basis. The key for me is that I had to force myself to use them, to think of them as a primary weapon, rather than backup. I failed pretty regularly whenever I fit any kind of rifle or smg, because I would always revert back to my gun when in trouble, instead of running away or finding another angle of attack. So I created a ZN-28 fitting only -- no backup weapon at all -- and no extenders or plates of any kind. Precision enhancers and dampers only. So I ran around with that for a couple weeks, and my perspective changed entirely. I eventually settled on using a scram pistol also, because you want to be able to quickly flip R1 if you are holding a charge and want to release, but dont want your prey to hear the nk go off. Anyway, its been a blast for me. Cal heavy is a good choice too, even if you already have Amarr, because Cal is the best for forge gunning, in my opinion. Snipers have a hard time with you on towers because of the shield recharge speed, and you can fill the highs with damage modes. I dont even bother trying to run a forge on my Amarr suits anymore. Yeah I have been hearing ScP are good on scouts if you get headshots. I like your story. However I do really well with a forge on my Amarr, as long as there isn't more than one dropship attacking me CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 163	Posted - 2014.07.23 11:46:00 - [5] - Quote Mejt0, you don't lose your advantage if you put dampeners on a Minja. They can't accomplish stealth hacks without it. I'll admit that it sounds like a better option to put Kin Cats than dampeners if you are knifing, but I'd argue that dampening and general EWAR is a necessity for ANY scout. I may only be a novice scout but I have been mulling this over from online and in-game data for months now, trying to make my decision. Caldari are getting a dampening bonus now? WTF... I'll have to check Rattati's thread now, that's bullshit I disagree with it entirely. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 163	Posted - 2014.07.23 11:59:00 - [6] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Dont missunderstand me. I run 2damp on cal. So i know what im talking. But again with minmatar you will run and hack objectives while killing people on the way. 2damps +cloak for minmatar will allow to hide from cal, but you will lose speed. Its good that cal gets dampening bonus. If thier scan role is taken so damp is on place. They can even reduce scan range if it will be needed but at the moment its perfect. Oh, I see what Rattati did now. I really disagree with them just copy pasting the precision bonus to the Amarr... I mean yeah, that's going to solve the problem of it being UP, but in a very bad way. It doesn't matter if people need to put 4 range amps on... they're still going to attempt it and make the suit OP... Knowing this makes me even more afraid of skilling into the Minja. The only reason I was even considering it was because of the Caldari precision nerf. Now that I realize it's just going to be the Amarr now... Eh. Maybe I shouldn't worry about it so much. I'm just not sure being a completely scannable, fast hacker and sprinter is for me. I like the idea of being invisible more. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.