I KNOW HOW TO FIX DUST. WE JUST NERF EVERYTHING.


How about we try something else? How about we buff things up to a base level... instead of being a complete tool.


Being able to customize any suit into anything is a hard concept for the people literally born into the CoD era. But that is what makes this game great. The ability to customize with near endless combinations. Everything else in this game is offered better on other games.

It should always have been thus:

Light suits: one light weapon, sidearm optional
Scouts: one sidearm
Medium suits: one light, one side
Logis: one light, sidearm optional
Assaults: two light slots, side optional in either
Commandos: one heavy, one light, side optional in either, light optional in heavy slot
Heavies: two heavies, lights optional, no sidearm option
Sentinels: two heavies, no light options, no sidearm option

Alas, the designers were bad baby-sitters, plying everyone with candy, and they couldn't say 'no' to piling weapons on everything.

Scout with Heavy Weapon.

Scout with Heavy Weapon.

So this is the only type of post I will reply to, all the others who flame but do not present counter arguments I will categorize as players trying to protect their precious KDR at the expense of the greater good of the game.

As for the ability to customize suits, I would agree with you if there was only one type of suit. But there are many types of suits and each one is supposed to be best at a specific thing in the game. In Dust at the moment, scouts are better than assaults at slaying.

Scouts are designed to give the wearer the "first shot advantage". When you combine this advantage with weapons that can OHK (one hit kill), you create an unbalanced situation. Deep down you all know this to be true.

Can i ask if you were dropped on your head as a baby?

you want to restrict the weakest suit in the game to the weakest weapons in the game while giving the suit with the highest eHP in the game 2 of the strongest weapons in the game. While at the same time you give light frames a light weapon ( light frames being basically a scout with no passive bonus ) options to both light and side arms.

That is the most biased post i have ever seen. By chance are you a heavy user asking for the use of 2 heavy weapons?

But then again right back to CoD training gamers to think that there is the only way balance can exist. one suit. or a couple base suits. Or back to Counter-Strike and start everyone on equal footing over and over for 15 years.

That is not at all what this game is or should be ever. It was always supposed to be rock, paper, scissors. There is never a fit that is the be all to end all over every other fit. There is always a hard counter that will come around and no matter how good you are, your gear will not be up to the match.

That is what DUST has always been "The Thinking Man's Shooter" we are passed the FPS's of old and the entire genre is evolving to be more then just raw aiming skill dictating outcomes. It should be a key factor in a player building competency in gameplay, that is the sense that every time they play they themselves get better. But never what dictates entire conflicts.

DUST is every bit that way, In PC you want a certain amount of heavies, scouts, medics.. certain vehicles. It varies on map application. FC's will shuffle squad positions around depending on what the enemy is using.

Trying to long range a commando with a light weapon in a scout suit is stupid. Trying to CQC fight a scout with a light weapon is probably stupid. DUST rewards thinking as much as it does skill.

Balance in DUST is not achieved by making everyone the same. It is achieved by making sure there is always a way to counter. This has always been the way CCP has built games.

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OR, crazy thought, make Assaults actually good at their role.

Just spitballing here.

We don't need lazy fixes.

It should always have been thus:

Light suits: one light weapon, sidearm optional
Scouts: one sidearm
Medium suits: one light, one side
Logis: one light, sidearm optional
Assaults: two light slots, side optional in either
Commandos: one heavy, one light, side optional in either, light optional in heavy slot
Heavies: two heavies, lights optional, no sidearm option
Sentinels: two heavies, no light options, no sidearm option

Alas, the designers were bad baby-sitters, plying everyone with candy, and they couldn't say 'no' to piling weapons on everything.

Scout with Heavy Weapon.

Lol a heavy with a heavy weapon and a light weapon - OMG you're even more of a joker with terribad ideas than Mr 'scouts only get sidearms'

#1 is bad because it's imbalanced.

#2 is how you achieve balance in these types of games.

If you do not have balance, then 90% of the player base will use the best suit and the game suffers from a lack of diversity.

So this is the only type of post I will reply to, all the others who flame but do not present counter arguments I will categorize as players trying to protect their precious KDR at the expense of the greater good of the game.

Imagine a scout with forge gun, if he doesn't break his back from picking up the gun, he will surely fly over 300m after letting off the round.

Scout with Heavy Weapon.

Okay, so let's assume it's imbalanced...

First of all, it's -ONE- way to achieve balance in 'these types of games' - though I'd argue that Dust 514 is pretty unique as far as first person shooters go.

That being said, it is a nuclear option at best. You remove light weapons you're going to have a whole host of other balance issues to worry about because now you've got a bunch of combatants that are very light in their effectiveness despite use of EWAR, which would soon be replaced with the Gallente Logi and it's attribute of using an Active Scanner.

If something is imbalanced you don't immediately go for the knee-jerk solution to solve the problem, you slowly tweak and implement small corrections in an effort to try and solve the problem organically. To put it in metaphor, you don't hack off the entire limb to deal with a splinter.



Then I will automatically assume that you're attempting to save your own precious KDR by getting rid of the competition - the pressure point that you have. The thing about "The greater good" of the game is that it's largely based on perspective and there are very very few things that are actually for "the greater good" of the game. Things that literally every player could benefit to have like Militia Weapons, better stat-readouts in the fitting screen, ISD implementation, and better API support.

Removal of a light weapon slot on a class is not and never will be "for the greater good of the game" and if you're thinking that you might want to consider all the options, good and bad.

At first I didn't like this idea, but the more I think about it, the more I think this is the way to fix both the Scout and the Assault classes

Never? Seriously... Never?

It should always have been thus:

Light suits: one light weapon, sidearm optional
Scouts: one sidearm
Medium suits: one light, one side
Logis: one light, sidearm optional
Assaults: two light slots, side optional in either
Commandos: one heavy, one light, side optional in either, light optional in heavy slot
Heavies: two heavies, lights optional, no sidearm option
Sentinels: two heavies, no light options, no sidearm option

Alas, the designers were bad baby-sitters, plying everyone with candy, and they couldn't say 'no' to piling weapons on everything.

This would be amazing!

I . . . . I . . . . I . . . . . I can't do this anymore, where all these idiots coming from?
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