I agree, I have untold ISK and a huge amount of LP piled up because my ISK made me bored with pubs.

Staying on track I will revert to the first part of my statement, LP increase will help newbs that want proto cheaper and care to figure out how to get it. This is assuming that the x-fold part holds true in the hotfix charlie notes and it is not just a 10% increase or some crap. Anyone can go into FW and that is proven by every match we queve into that obviously does not have a single organized squad on the other side which is about 90% of the time.

Yay so now newer players can LOSE iso in FW and not get any back for deaths

I'm partial to proto stomping but it is a huge problem. I think its safe to say that we might well have triple or more the players if 99% of them weren't literally stomped out of the game.

The general consensus is........

We don't want to be locked into tiered battles.

Matchmaking simply won't work as there's not enough players.



So for me, this boils down to the fact that vets like me can spam proto rain or shine while newer players by default, can't even fight back. They simple can't afford the level of try hard that we can achieve.

I propose that proto costs are lowered, us vets will always stomp and we are not going to stop using what we have spent over a year getting at the behest of 'fair fights'.

The price only stops newer players from fighting back, its doesn't stop vets from spamming and never will. Bastards like me take it a step further and spam proto aurum.

What sparked this?,.

Iv know this for ages but I just went 34/0 against a stacked squad, I literally downed their whole squad in one sitting a few times and although I'm consistently good whatever the situation, I'm not the best by far.

Its not because they were crap, but because they didn't have the isk to fight back and I could tell that they really wanted to win even though it was a pub match. I am an amarr assault with viziam scp and scr to name one of the setups I run.

One of them was doing OK until I killed him so he had to revert to mlt gear because his one suit costed him. I could have died 100 times in full proto and not batted an eyelid. He demonstrated that gear does matter a lot more than people make out. It was not a stacked stomp either, just me.

If it was such a non factor that people propose, then I suggest its proven by running starter/mlt gear in PC with mlt/std mods against COMPETENT players that are running full proto and see how little it matters then.

Now imagine me and 5 buddies.......this is the general norm or its a proto squad aside that sees every other player in between as just fodder and meat shields that add to our payments at the end of the match.

It doesn't seem to matter at which way the game is changed, us vets will always have the isk. Lowering the price is a buff to the newbs and doesn't make a difference to vets because we have enough isk forever and the means to obtain it cost free (bpos).


I love a good stomp, but it has to stop.

Just like pubs free suits can be used just as effectively. The difference is with LP they can put more of their SP into core skills to make all of their suits a little bit better while still getting proto suits at the cost of nothing more than their K/D.

It really comes back to the fact that if you realize that K/D is nothing more than a brag stat you can have all you want including the money to pull out proto when needed to pull off a fun win.

Just like pubs free suits can be used just as effectively. The difference is with LP they can put more of their SP into core skills to make all of their suits a little bit better while still getting proto suits at the cost of nothing more than their K/D.

It really comes back to the fact that if you realize that K/D is nothing more than a brag stat you can have all you want including the money to pull out proto when needed to pull off a fun win.

I for one am gonna start doing more FW I'll probably end up buying Adv level suits from their to keep costs down.
My habit for ADS's has literally left me broke, I have 320,000 ISK and 80 suits to my name.

Assuming you can use Amarr LP feel free to shoot me a message in game and I will drop you a channel invite. All we do is Q-sync and decent players get all of their suits funded by myself or one of a couple of other sponsors.

Amarr LP is also great for plates and reppers if you do not run any of our amazing suits. This can save you a lot of isk later on.

Im a minmatar man so I'm afraid I'll have pass. I might come alomg for the odd match when I get tired of lone-wolfing against 12 Prima Gallicus in Pubs.

Or you could only run Proto when you see are killed first in your advanced gear by a Proto suit. Then you upgrade. Vets like stomping, don't matter if it's newer players or each other. Simply lowering the prices will not do, it has to come from the players. They know that killing all the new players causes them to leave. Do you honestly think they care? I don't think they do. I only run advanced, basic, or militia at the start of matches. If I must breach a point in domination where the enemy is very well dug in, and I die several times in my advance suit, then I bring out Proto. The problem is when you have 6 Proto players slaughtering through the entire team at the beginning. If you're so good, and you have proficiency 5 on a gun, just run militia. Level 5 cores, put an equipment on a frontline.

The only suit that I feel can run Proto, and should be allowed is a Logi, because when we go down, it's 250k, but I can keep all my teammates up.

All in all, run advanced until you die by a Proto suit. End all

Hahaha, yeah at this time your either with or against them with the occasional random team battles.

I can do well soloing against them but its just not fun for me and when they catch onto you then they'll be running around in a 6 man blob at least.

I'm partial to proto stomping but it is a huge problem. I think its safe to say that we might well have triple or more the players if 99% of them weren't literally stomped out of the game.

The general consensus is........

We don't want to be locked into tiered battles.

Matchmaking simply won't work as there's not enough players.



So for me, this boils down to the fact that vets like me can spam proto rain or shine while newer players by default, can't even fight back. They simple can't afford the level of try hard that we can achieve.

I propose that proto costs are lowered, us vets will always stomp and we are not going to stop using what we have spent over a year getting at the behest of 'fair fights'.

The price only stops newer players from fighting back, its doesn't stop vets from spamming and never will. Bastards like me take it a step further and spam proto aurum.

What sparked this?,.

Iv know this for ages but I just went 34/0 against a stacked squad, I literally downed their whole squad in one sitting a few times and although I'm consistently good whatever the situation, I'm not the best by far.

Its not because they were crap, but because they didn't have the isk to fight back and I could tell that they really wanted to win even though it was a pub match. I am an amarr assault with viziam scp and scr to name one of the setups I run.

One of them was doing OK until I killed him so he had to revert to mlt gear because his one suit costed him. I could have died 100 times in full proto and not batted an eyelid. He demonstrated that gear does matter a lot more than people make out. It was not a stacked stomp either, just me.

If it was such a non factor that people propose, then I suggest its proven by running starter/mlt gear in PC with mlt/std mods against COMPETENT players that are running full proto and see how little it matters then.

Now imagine me and 5 buddies.......this is the general norm or its a proto squad aside that sees every other player in between as just fodder and meat shields that add to our payments at the end of the match.

It doesn't seem to matter at which way the game is changed, us vets will always have the isk. Lowering the price is a buff to the newbs and doesn't make a difference to vets because we have enough isk forever and the means to obtain it cost free (bpos).


I love a good stomp, but it has to stop.