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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:02:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Lowering the price does nothing to aid the noob because he has to get the skillpoints.. He has to get the core skills maxed or he's just driving a Lambo with a Ford Escort engine inside.
Protostomping is hardly ever a factor as it once was. I feel like people are saying that without actually playing the game. Protostomping was more frequent before the announcement of Legion. I could see it then. Now? Not so much.
While you can indeed say Protostomping has been reduced, it is still a Huge concern. Of every three matches I pay one is stomp against me, one is stomp for me and one seems to be evenly matched but is over faster than the stomps.
The only reason Stomping has declined since Legion is because many of the Stompers have left, or gone inert.
The thimg is dropping the price of Proto won't even break our econmy amd even if it did there would be no lasting effects outside this game.
Truth be told, their is no reason not make everything cheaper, but there are plenty of reasons for it.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:07:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Or you could only run Proto when you see are killed first in your advanced gear by a Proto suit. Then you upgrade. Vets like stomping, don't matter if it's newer players or each other. Simply lowering the prices will not do, it has to come from the players. They know that killing all the new players causes them to leave. Do you honestly think they care? I don't think they do. I only run advanced, basic, or militia at the start of matches. If I must breach a point in domination where the enemy is very well dug in, and I die several times in my advance suit, then I bring out Proto. The problem is when you have 6 Proto players slaughtering through the entire team at the beginning. If you're so good, and you have proficiency 5 on a gun, just run militia. Level 5 cores, put an equipment on a frontline.
The only suit that I feel can run Proto, and should be allowed is a Logi, because when we go down, it's 250k, but I can keep all my teammates up.
All in all, run advanced until you die by a Proto suit. End all
Yeah but that's not going to happen, you said yourself, Vets like Stomping. Vets aren't going to place nice so a few more greens stick around while we wait till Legion, they don't care.
You think the FOTM Proto Spamming Corps are just turn around and agree to down all that makes them relevant so they can have a fair fight? I mean look at CEO Pyrex at his gang, they made a video about how we should be prepared to stick it out in matchs a little more, run lower meta level gear and so forth.
But even they won't do it, people don't like to loose and the only way a fair fight can e achieved is everyone has access tomthe same stuff.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:18:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Your quote doesn't give me a lot of faith in you lol
I wouldn't expect it to, I am in a contrary position to you here, but you still like my posts.
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:21:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:True but by lowering the price, you devalue you Proto. This is why i LOVED IT when Basic Suits costed less than the speciality suits, and the Suits ALL costed different amounts... New players with less isk could buy a cheaper Proto suit until they saved for the bonuses of the other.
As of right now, Basic just has you use less skill points.
CCP Rattati, is it possible you could change Dropsuit prices again so Heavies cost most, followed by Commando, Assault, Scout, Logistics in terms of base prices.
Basic Proto is half of normal, as the skill investment needed for basic is about half of the speciality
You see this is one of the few things I'm looking forward to in Z's legion progression system, no tiers, just the choice of playstyle.
Although I must admit, I'm not looking forward to suit BPO's
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:37:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Lowering the price does nothing to aid the noob because he has to get the skillpoints.. He has to get the core skills maxed or he's just driving a Lambo with a Ford Escort engine inside.
Protostomping is hardly ever a factor as it once was. I feel like people are saying that without actually playing the game. Protostomping was more frequent before the announcement of Legion. I could see it then. Now? Not so much.
While you can indeed say Protostomping has been reduced, it is still a Huge concern. Of every three matches I pay one is stomp against me, one is stomp for me and one seems to be evenly matched but is over faster than the stomps. The only reason Stomping has declined since Legion is because many of the Stompers have left, or gone inert. The thimg is dropping the price of Proto won't even break our econmy amd even if it did there would be no lasting effects outside this game. Truth be told, their is no reason not make everything cheaper, but there are plenty of reasons for it. I do not understand. If it has reduced, then why is it a huge concern? That doesnt equal out properly. Is it just something to talk about for the sake of? Again, lowering the price of the suit does nothing. The merc has to have core skills maxed. Weapon pro maxed. Lowering the price just gives new players more frustration and sets a tone that the suit is what makes the mercenary when in fact its not just the prototype suit that factors in on the protostomp. If players are so concerned then why not wear ADV in a pub match because...its a pub match and you're concerned about bluez getting stomped.
Violent Crime has reduced rapidly in the last few years, shall we stop talking about it completely dispite the fact it still happens multiple time every day? Something can decrease or be reduced yet still be a problem. Like I said earlier 2/3 matches I play in pubs are stomps.
The flood water has dropped by 2 inches, you can now all go back to your lives as if the 3 feet that still left isn't here.
If anything it reduces that tone, because they will see people who have skilled all the way to Proto first amd are dying because they have less EHP than my Medic Starter Fit. New Eden is supposed to be a huge learning curve, what better leson than teaching you the suit means nothing if you can't back it up.
I do wear advanced, I have two Proto Level fittings that I never wear. But ask someone like Regyum or Nitrobeacon or all those kind of people if they will wear advanced. They won't, they won't even wear advanced with Proto Modules.
It's an admirable idea don't get me wrong, I would love everyone to voluntarily wear ADV gear and only use Proto formthe really intense matches, but it won't happen.
It's like getting the UK to go green, we could be as Eco Friendly as Iceland, but it won't make a difference if Europe and America aren't prepared to do the same.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:41:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:RendonaSix wrote:
Your going off track a bit, this is about making proto more available through cost to newbs, not what we think of it.
We have enough isk to proto stomp forever so does it really matter what we think of it?. They could double the cost and I'd still be spamming and there are hundreds more who have ten times the isk I have.
I agree, I have untold ISK and a huge amount of LP piled up because my ISK made me bored with pubs. Staying on track I will revert to the first part of my statement, LP increase will help newbs that want proto cheaper and care to figure out how to get it. This is assuming that the x-fold part holds true in the hotfix charlie notes and it is not just a 10% increase or some crap. Anyone can go into FW and that is proven by every match we queve into that obviously does not have a single organized squad on the other side which is about 90% of the time.
I for one am gonna start doing more FW I'll probably end up buying Adv level suits from their to keep costs down.
My habit for ADS's has literally left me broke, I have 320,000 ISK and 80 suits to my name.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.21 12:12:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:deezy dabest wrote:RendonaSix wrote:
Your going off track a bit, this is about making proto more available through cost to newbs, not what we think of it.
We have enough isk to proto stomp forever so does it really matter what we think of it?. They could double the cost and I'd still be spamming and there are hundreds more who have ten times the isk I have.
I agree, I have untold ISK and a huge amount of LP piled up because my ISK made me bored with pubs. Staying on track I will revert to the first part of my statement, LP increase will help newbs that want proto cheaper and care to figure out how to get it. This is assuming that the x-fold part holds true in the hotfix charlie notes and it is not just a 10% increase or some crap. Anyone can go into FW and that is proven by every match we queve into that obviously does not have a single organized squad on the other side which is about 90% of the time. I for one am gonna start doing more FW I'll probably end up buying Adv level suits from their to keep costs down. My habit for ADS's has literally left me broke, I have 320,000 ISK and 80 suits to my name. Assuming you can use Amarr LP feel free to shoot me a message in game and I will drop you a channel invite. All we do is Q-sync and decent players get all of their suits funded by myself or one of a couple of other sponsors. Amarr LP is also great for plates and reppers if you do not run any of our amazing suits. This can save you a lot of isk later on.
Im a minmatar man so I'm afraid I'll have pass. I might come alomg for the odd match when I get tired of lone-wolfing against 12 Prima Gallicus in Pubs.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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