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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:27:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:I'm partial to proto stomping but it is a huge problem. I think its safe to say that we might well have triple or more the players if 99% of them weren't literally stomped out of the game.
The general consensus is........
We don't want to be locked into tiered battles.
Matchmaking simply won't work as there's not enough players.
So for me, this boils down to the fact that vets like me can spam proto rain or shine while newer players by default, can't even fight back. They simple can't afford the level of try hard that we can achieve.
I propose that proto costs are lowered, us vets will always stomp and we are not going to stop using what we have spent over a year getting at the behest of 'fair fights'.
The price only stops newer players from fighting back, its doesn't stop vets from spamming and never will. Bastards like me take it a step further and spam proto aurum.
What sparked this?,.
Iv know this for ages but I just went 34/0 against a stacked squad, I literally downed their whole squad in one sitting a few times and although I'm consistently good whatever the situation, I'm not the best by far.
Its not because they were crap, but because they didn't have the isk to fight back and I could tell that they really wanted to win even though it was a pub match. I am an amarr assault with viziam scp and scr to name one of the setups I run.
One of them was doing OK until I killed him so he had to revert to mlt gear because his one suit costed him. I could have died 100 times in full proto and not batted an eyelid. He demonstrated that gear does matter a lot more than people make out. It was not a stacked stomp either, just me.
If it was such a non factor that people propose, then I suggest its proven by running starter/mlt gear in PC with mlt/std mods against COMPETENT players that are running full proto and see how little it matters then.
Now imagine me and 5 buddies.......this is the general norm or its a proto squad aside that sees every other player in between as just fodder and meat shields that add to our payments at the end of the match.
It doesn't seem to matter at which way the game is changed, us vets will always have the isk. Lowering the price is a buff to the newbs and doesn't make a difference to vets because we have enough isk forever and the means to obtain it cost free (bpos).
I love a good stomp, but it has to stop.
The LP payout increase is likely going to fix this even if it increases AFKing in FW. Not only will newer players get suits cheaper they will also be able to use them earlier.
The funny thing is I feel the same way you do about this only when it comes to the increase to orbital requirements. When I get bored and proto stomp a little the only thing I worry about is the random squad of 3 guys that are using uplinks to make points off my kills dropping a bomb on my head. This will be gone for newer players while my squads will only see a couple less orbitals that we did not need.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:35:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:
Your going off track a bit, this is about making proto more available through cost to newbs, not what we think of it.
We have enough isk to proto stomp forever so does it really matter what we think of it?. They could double the cost and I'd still be spamming and there are hundreds more who have ten times the isk I have.
I agree, I have untold ISK and a huge amount of LP piled up because my ISK made me bored with pubs.
Staying on track I will revert to the first part of my statement, LP increase will help newbs that want proto cheaper and care to figure out how to get it. This is assuming that the x-fold part holds true in the hotfix charlie notes and it is not just a 10% increase or some crap. Anyone can go into FW and that is proven by every match we queve into that obviously does not have a single organized squad on the other side which is about 90% of the time.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:45:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Yay so now newer players can LOSE iso in FW and not get any back for deaths
Just like pubs free suits can be used just as effectively. The difference is with LP they can put more of their SP into core skills to make all of their suits a little bit better while still getting proto suits at the cost of nothing more than their K/D.
It really comes back to the fact that if you realize that K/D is nothing more than a brag stat you can have all you want including the money to pull out proto when needed to pull off a fun win.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:47:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:deezy dabest wrote:RendonaSix wrote:
Your going off track a bit, this is about making proto more available through cost to newbs, not what we think of it.
We have enough isk to proto stomp forever so does it really matter what we think of it?. They could double the cost and I'd still be spamming and there are hundreds more who have ten times the isk I have.
I agree, I have untold ISK and a huge amount of LP piled up because my ISK made me bored with pubs. Staying on track I will revert to the first part of my statement, LP increase will help newbs that want proto cheaper and care to figure out how to get it. This is assuming that the x-fold part holds true in the hotfix charlie notes and it is not just a 10% increase or some crap. Anyone can go into FW and that is proven by every match we queve into that obviously does not have a single organized squad on the other side which is about 90% of the time. I for one am gonna start doing more FW I'll probably end up buying Adv level suits from their to keep costs down. My habit for ADS's has literally left me broke, I have 320,000 ISK and 80 suits to my name.
Assuming you have Amarr suits feel free to shoot me a message in game and I will drop you a channel invite. All we do is Q-sync and decent players get all of their suits funded by myself or one of a couple of other sponsors.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:57:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:deezy dabest wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:Yay so now newer players can LOSE iso in FW and not get any back for deaths Just like pubs free suits can be used just as effectively. The difference is with LP they can put more of their SP into core skills to make all of their suits a little bit better while still getting proto suits at the cost of nothing more than their K/D. It really comes back to the fact that if you realize that K/D is nothing more than a brag stat you can have all you want including the money to pull out proto when needed to pull off a fun win. Yes but too many people care about KDR
Then they deserve their wallets that they emptied in an attempt to protect a useless stat. I do not mean to sound so cold but this is New Eden and only the strongest survive.
I am all about NPE and have recruited a lot of players personally that never stuck around as well as many that have an amazing time and end up very very good players even with their low SP. What is the difference? The ones that stick around take the time to understand what is going on and ask a few questions that we happily answer.
You can blame CCP for why it is that way. Maybe if they put more time into familiarizing players then more would stick around with out getting lucky and running into helpful people.
DISCLAIMER: I do not run anything but basic suits in pubs because I do not run more than 10-15 pubs a week when I have trouble getting into factional.
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