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Termin8ter wrote:

I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build.

This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying

Just ran the numbers for the new suits.

Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile

Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile

Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap

Old suits

Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor

Gal 487 shield 1250 armor

Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap

Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information.

New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it.

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Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:50:00 - [1] - Quote I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build. This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2069	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:54:00 - [2] - Quote Galheavy stacking more HP than an Amarr was stupid anyways. Move on. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Not Jason Pearson 40	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:55:00 - [3] - Quote Probably won't. I have full faith CCP know exactly what they're doing.. hahahahaha... sigh.. Not King of the Forums
Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:58:00 - [4] - Quote [quote=Lynn Beck]Galheavy stacking more HP than an Amarr was stupid anyways. Um maybe but they could get close and the whole 20% reduction to damage received from hmg damage brought their numbers right to the gal. So yeah a thing called balance existed.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 294	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:17:00 - [5] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: [quote=Lynn Beck]Galheavy stacking more HP than an Amarr was stupid anyways. Um maybe but they could get close and the whole 20% reduction to damage received from hmg damage brought their numbers right to the gal. So yeah a thing called balance existed. both of gallente's resistance bonuses go to armor. For amar one goes to shield and the other to armor. Furthermore, the gallente sentinel has built in reps and is faster than the amarr sentinel.
Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:21:00 - [6] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: [quote=Termin8ter][quote=Lynn Beck]Galheavy stacking more HP than an Amarr was stupid anyways. both of gallente's resistance bonuses go to armor. For amar one goes to shield and the other to armor. Furthermore, the gallente sentinel has built in reps and is faster than the amarr sentinel. O wow i get 1hp/s second built in forgot about that big game changer. And it is barely faster besides the fact that when you tank them they all get super slow. And no heavy should have trouble dealing with a rail rifle up close when they have an hmg so i never really rely on the rail rifle bonus that much at all. Its all about avoiding hmg and combat rifle. Get a heavy and use it for a week and youl understand
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3656	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:25:00 - [7] - Quote They said it isn't locked in yet. Edit: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2268571#post2268571 proof. I was asking for a bump in base repair if the change does go through. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:12:00 - [8] - Quote I was asking for a bump in base repair if the change does go through.[/quote] That would help but i im still scared of the numbers i just added up and put in the description just now. I dont think an increase to natural rep would help do much besides invade the caldari's role as a rep heavy.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12043	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:20:00 - [9] - Quote You could lobby for a Gal Sent increase to built in armour reps. Couple a Repping Sentinel with a Logistics, then the skill modifiers on a naturally high armour base with both 10% resists to Projectile on armour and 15% to rails on armour...... That's a Sentinel that I would skill for if I wasn't already an Amarr Commando. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:22:00 - [10] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build. This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying Just ran the numbers for the new suits. Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap Old suits Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor Gal 487 shield 1250 armor Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems. I made a post about this but it expired a day ago.I think we should keep the same slots or get a respec if its changed, i went gallente sentinel specifically for the extra low slot.

Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1474	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:24:00 - [11] - Quote Because heavies should have stupid HP. The problem is they also have stupid DPS along with it. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5390	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build. This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying Just ran the numbers for the new suits. Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap Old suits Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor Gal 487 shield 1250 armor Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems. Amarr always have significantly more EHP in exchange for speed. Working as intended /End thread Stealth Storm
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7801	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:28:00 - [13] - Quote Amarr brick tank armor, gallente rep tank armor. Just like how caldari stack shields in favor of speed, and minmatar are supposed to have high, fast shield regen. There's nothing wrong with these new changes. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:30:00 - [14] - Quote Amarr always have significantly more EHP in exchange for speed. Working as intended /End thread [/quote] My amarr assault barely out tanks a gallente so where does your logic come in to play with the new heavies being way unbalanced?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2168	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems. You mean hybrid rail versus shields? Shoties work wonders against any ****, even Caldari or Minnies who have those bonuses against shotties. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire**
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:35:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Amarr brick tank armor, gallente rep tank armor. Just like how caldari stack shields in favor of speed, and minmatar are supposed to have high, fast shield regen. There's nothing wrong with these new changes. How am i going to be able to rep tank more in a gallente sentinel than i am now, were losing a low slot.
Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:42:00 - [17] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Termin8ter wrote: Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems. You mean hybrid rail versus shields? Shoties work wonders against any ****, even Caldari or Minnies who have those bonuses against shotties. Amarr: Primary Armor Projectile /// Secondary Shield Hybrid Rail Caldari: Primary Shield Hybrid Plasma /// Secondary Shield Laser Gallente: Primary Armor Hybrid Rail /// Secondary Armor Projectile Minmatar: Primary Shield Laser /// Secondary Armor Hybrid Plasma awe ** thanks for noticing that wow cant believe that i messed that up
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3091	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:44:00 - [18] - Quote According to protofits, your maths is off. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5626 The highes achievable armour is 1195 Or a total of 1700 brick tank, but there is no armour repping on this suit. So what exactly is your problem They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5390	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:46:00 - [19] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: My amarr assault barely out tanks a gallente so where does your logic come in to play with the new heavies being way unbalanced? You amarr Assault needs a Buff.(And it will come in the form of 5 low slots) There is my logic Stealth Storm
Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:54:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: According to protofits, your maths is off. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5626 The highes achievable armour is 1195 Or a total of 1700 brick tank, but there is no armour repping on this suit. So what exactly is your problem i didnt know that they had the suits posted for fittings i will go mess around with them and edit my numbers but from that suit, tanked as im talking about, the ehp is even higher. i got my numbers by just using the current fits i have on dust

Termin8ter The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 10	Posted - 2014.07.20 22:04:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: According to protofits, your maths is off. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5626 The highes achievable armour is 1195 Or a total of 1700 brick tank, but there is no armour repping on this suit. So what exactly is your problem i just went and played around with the fits and i noticed that the amarr heavy and gal heavy both still have the same slot load outs which is not what i saw in the spreadsheet posted by ccp. so ill stick with my ball park numbers till i have a statement on the suits and what slots they will have becasue things arnt corresponding at the moment
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12044	Posted - 2014.07.20 22:09:00 - [22] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Termin8ter wrote: Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems. You mean hybrid rail versus shields? Shoties work wonders against any ****, even Caldari or Minnies who have those bonuses against shotties. Amarr: Primary Armor Projectile /// Secondary Shield Hybrid Rail Caldari: Primary Shield Hybrid Plasma /// Secondary Shield Laser Gallente: Primary Armor Hybrid Rail /// Secondary Armor Projectile Minmatar:** Primary Shield Laser /// Secondary Armor Hybrid Plasma Amarr really should be, this is basically how their T2 ships work in terms of resistances. Primary Armour Explosive// Secondary Armour Projectile "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2372	Posted - 2014.07.20 22:12:00 - [23] - Quote Read more lore OP Amarr are the brick tankers armor wise Gallente are supposed to be more armor repair smart (We Need A Racial Bonus To Reactive Plates for gal suits) *CEO/ Killing Clones Since Uprising 1.2/ ADV Omni Soldier/ Forum King/* God Favors The Side With The Most Artillery
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12044	Posted - 2014.07.20 22:28:00 - [24] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Read more lore OP Amarr are the brick tankers armor wise Gallente are supposed to be more armor repair smart (We Need A Racial Bonus To Reactive Plates for gal suits) Ugh and thats where people are sort of wrong..... Amarr don't really brick any more than the Gallente..... both races are JUST armour tankers however the races are made distinct by their hulls role and hull bonuses as well as the ships base stats..... I mean all the Gal ships I see in the warzone use the same Low Slot modules I do. 400mm Plate Damage Control II Damage Module (Heat Sink II) Resistance Module (Adaptive Plating) The differences really come in when you consider how the ships play in terms of their racial bonuses. Gallente tend to get more drone and blaster oriented bonuses while Amarr get Laser and Armour resistance bonuses. In terms of Armour repairer rates I'm actually looking for examples of Gallente ships that get bonuses to personal reppers..... "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 225	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:36:00 - [25] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build. This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying Just ran the numbers for the new suits. Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap Old suits Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor Gal 487 shield 1250 armor Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information. New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it. Well when they do stack plates to the extreme they can't move very well so respond in kind with weapons that capitalize on this. Just because the metagame centers around FOTM chasing doesn't mean you can't abuse the system by capitalizing on the weakness of the FOTM.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 51	Posted - 2014.07.21 01:14:00 - [26] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build. This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying Just ran the numbers for the new suits. Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap Old suits Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor Gal 487 shield 1250 armor Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information. New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it. if everyone runs heavies then who cares if its the same heavy?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3658	Posted - 2014.07.21 02:43:00 - [27] - Quote Op is just late cause ive posted that previously and ive got even a fancy dev tag on it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2264810#post2264810
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4494	Posted - 2014.07.21 06:26:00 - [28] - Quote Pfft. Apologist scum.
Firbolg Barun Dust2Dust. 52	Posted - 2014.07.21 06:44:00 - [29] - Quote Let me guess... ...because 10 people are still playing this game, and they are all in amarr heavy suits?
TRULY ELITE Inner.Hell 34	Posted - 2014.07.21 07:11:00 - [30] - Quote Termin8ter wrote: I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build. This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying Just ran the numbers for the new suits. Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap Old suits Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor Gal 487 shield 1250 armor Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information. New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it. CCP is not the owner of protofits, Cyrus Grevare is from Warravens, it is a fan made site and Cyrus puts a lot o hard work into it so DONT moan about a single mistake or any for that matter



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