[quote=Lynn Beck]Galheavy stacking more HP than an Amarr was stupid anyways.



Um maybe but they could get close and the whole 20% reduction to damage received from hmg damage brought their numbers right to the gal. So yeah a thing called balance existed.

[quote=Termin8ter][quote=Lynn Beck]Galheavy stacking more HP than an Amarr was stupid anyways.



both of gallente's resistance bonuses go to armor. For amar one goes to shield and the other to armor. Furthermore, the gallente sentinel has built in reps and is faster than the amarr sentinel.

I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build.

This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying

Just ran the numbers for the new suits.

Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile

Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile

Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap


Old suits

Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor

Gal 487 shield 1250 armor

Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap

Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems.

I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build.

This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying

Just ran the numbers for the new suits.

Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile

Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile

Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap


Old suits

Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor

Gal 487 shield 1250 armor

Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap

Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems.

Not to mention the amarrs little 10% bonus to plasma weaponry. Yeah thats for shotguns, one of heavies biggest problems.

Amarr brick tank armor, gallente rep tank armor. Just like how caldari stack shields in favor of speed, and minmatar are supposed to have high, fast shield regen. There's nothing wrong with these new changes.

You mean hybrid rail versus shields?

Shoties work wonders against any ******, even Caldari or Minnies who have those bonuses against shotties.

Amarr: Primary Armor Projectile /// Secondary Shield Hybrid Rail

Caldari: Primary Shield Hybrid Plasma /// Secondary Shield Laser

Gallente: Primary Armor Hybrid Rail /// Secondary Armor Projectile

Minmatar: Primary Shield Laser /// Secondary Armor Hybrid Plasma

My amarr assault barely out tanks a gallente so where does your logic come in to play with the new heavies being way unbalanced?

According to protofits, your maths is off.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5626

The highes achievable armour is 1195
Or a total of 1700 brick tank, but there is no armour repping on this suit.

So what exactly is your problem

According to protofits, your maths is off.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5626

The highes achievable armour is 1195
Or a total of 1700 brick tank, but there is no armour repping on this suit.

So what exactly is your problem

You mean hybrid rail versus shields?

Shoties work wonders against any ******, even Caldari or Minnies who have those bonuses against shotties.

Amarr: Primary Armor Projectile /// Secondary Shield Hybrid Rail

Caldari: Primary Shield Hybrid Plasma /// Secondary Shield Laser

Gallente: Primary Armor Hybrid Rail /// Secondary Armor Projectile

Minmatar: Primary Shield Laser /// Secondary Armor Hybrid Plasma

Read more lore OP

Amarr are the brick tankers armor wise
Gallente are supposed to be more armor repair smart (We Need A Racial Bonus To Reactive Plates for gal suits)

I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build.

This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying

Just ran the numbers for the new suits.

Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile

Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile

Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap


Old suits

Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor

Gal 487 shield 1250 armor

Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap

Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information.

New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it.

I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build.

This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying

Just ran the numbers for the new suits.

Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile

Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile

Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap


Old suits

Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor

Gal 487 shield 1250 armor

Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap

Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information.

New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it.

I havnt run the numbers yet but the Amarr sentinel is going to be super tanked on ehp versus every other heavy. Think about it. They have the natural bonus to projectile damage and they have the highest base health AND because of this upcoming patch they will be able to stack the most armor. EVEN more than the gallente in this current build.

This imbalance will completely skew the diversity of heavies if it goes unchecked. Just saying

Just ran the numbers for the new suits.

Amarr sentinel armor tanked 450 shield 1344 armor with 15% bonus against projectile

Gal sentinel armor tanked 487 shield 1102 armor with 10% bonus against projectile

Amar now has 242 more armor but only 37 less shield. For a total of 205 more base health ignoring affinity which only increases the gap


Old suits

Amarr 450 shield 1196 armor

Gal 487 shield 1250 armor

Gal has 54 more armor and 37 more shield for a total of 91 more base health ignoring affinity which amarr's affinity closes this gap

Do the numbers make things more clear? Because trust me as a dedicated heavy it's going to be even worse for the ppl who think the gal heavy is op. Edit**Removed the part about shotguns because i put down the wrong information.

New information-- It seems that ccp put out the hot fix charlie suits in protofits but the suits slots dont match the spreadsheet you can find in the features thread so, i would update my numbers but i cant till the suits match what they will be.. But, its still safe to say the amarr with 4 lows will outweigh any heavy in ehp if it goes through as the spreadsheet listed it.

O wow i get 1hp/s second built in forgot about that big game changer. And it is barely faster besides the fact that when you tank them they all get super slow. And no heavy should have trouble dealing with a rail rifle up close when they have an hmg so i never really rely on the rail rifle bonus that much at all. Its all about avoiding hmg and combat rifle. Get a heavy and use it for a week and youl understand

Amarr brick tank armor, gallente rep tank armor. Just like how caldari stack shields in favor of speed, and minmatar are supposed to have high, fast shield regen. There's nothing wrong with these new changes.