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Fox Gaden wrote:

headbust wrote:

ok it has an overheat but a one shot over heat is not neccasary. i made this forum to give ideas on how to make it better not argue with some guys. so any suggestions

I was thinking about the Ion Pistol recently, and how I feel it should be a miniature shotgun.

Here is one proposal:
- The Ion Pistol should fire 4 rounds in the time a Shotgun fires 3 rounds.
- Damage from an Ion Pistol shot should be 75% of the damage from a shotgun.
- Range equal to a Shotgun.
- Clip size of 6. (Shotgun has 8)
- Charged shot should do double damage.
- 1 Charged shot + 1 normal shot within 5 seconds should overheat the pistol.

In the time that a Shotgun fires 3 shots the Ion Pistol would do the same amount of damage with 4 shots, but that means having to hit 4 times rather than just 3, meaning it would require a bit more skill. Against suits that have just enough health to survive 1 Shotgun blast, the Ion Pistol would have a slight advantage over the Shotgun as it could get a second shot off more quickly to do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts.

The Charged shot setup would allow the Ion pistol to get 2 shots off, with the equivalent of 3 shots of damage (or 2.25 Shotgun shots) but would then overheat. It would also provide the option of switching weapons after the charged shot. (The charged shot would do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts worth of damage.

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headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 79	Posted - 2014.07.17 19:50:00 - [1] - Quote and thoughts on making it a viable defense weapon. I'll start when the ion pistol came out i maxed it out i have level 5 ,pro 5 , sharpshooter 5, and 3 on the others. i can usually kill a caldari and a minmatar with it by rapid firing. but it is hard and u have to sneak up on them. imo the charge shot is practically uselessu cant use it while aiming down sights most of the time for all the shaking around, and if u hip fire it the accuracy is so bad u will probably miss. The damage is laughable for such a short range weapon with such a small clip and low rof. the only thing fun about this gun is getting a kill with it because its so funny. a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 137	Posted - 2014.07.17 19:58:00 - [2] - Quote headbust wrote: and thoughts on making it a viable defense weapon. I'll start when the ion pistol came out i maxed it out i have level 5 ,pro 5 , sharpshooter 5, and 3 on the others. i can usually kill a caldari and a minmatar with it by rapid firing. but it is hard and u have to sneak up on them. imo the charge shot is practically uselessu cant use it while aiming down sights most of the time for all the shaking around, and if u hip fire it the accuracy is so bad u will probably miss. The damage is laughable for such a short range weapon with such a small clip and low rof. the only thing fun about this gun is getting a kill with it because its so funny. I feel bad for you maxing it out. you should of sepnt that SP on the ScP which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 79	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:06:00 - [3] - Quote Zindorak wrote: headbust wrote: and thoughts on making it a viable defense weapon. I'll start when the ion pistol came out i maxed it out i have level 5 ,pro 5 , sharpshooter 5, and 3 on the others. i can usually kill a caldari and a minmatar with it by rapid firing. but it is hard and u have to sneak up on them. imo the charge shot is practically uselessu cant use it while aiming down sights most of the time for all the shaking around, and if u hip fire it the accuracy is so bad u will probably miss. The damage is laughable for such a short range weapon with such a small clip and low rof. the only thing fun about this gun is getting a kill with it because its so funny. I feel bad for you maxing it out. you should of sepnt that SP on the ScP which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better i have it to but i try to stay racial and thats the only gal sidearm a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 139	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:16:00 - [4] - Quote headbust wrote: Zindorak wrote: headbust wrote: and thoughts on making it a viable defense weapon. I'll start when the ion pistol came out i maxed it out i have level 5 ,pro 5 , sharpshooter 5, and 3 on the others. i can usually kill a caldari and a minmatar with it by rapid firing. but it is hard and u have to sneak up on them. imo the charge shot is practically uselessu cant use it while aiming down sights most of the time for all the shaking around, and if u hip fire it the accuracy is so bad u will probably miss. The damage is laughable for such a short range weapon with such a small clip and low rof. the only thing fun about this gun is getting a kill with it because its so funny. I feel bad for you maxing it out. you should of sepnt that SP on the ScP which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better i have it to but i try to stay racial and thats the only gal sidearm Whew ok good. Hmm hopefully it gets better cuz at Proficiency 2 on the ScP it mauls scouts
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 716	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote I like the concept of it. The charge shot shouldn't automatically overheat it. I think that's dumb. Sidearm balancing next hotfix. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 79	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:19:00 - [6] - Quote lol yea i can kill scouts that arent super armor stacked with ion but man i got a heavy down to 1/8 of his armor and i switched to take him out and it almost took a whole clip. a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 79	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:21:00 - [7] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: I like the concept of it. The charge shot shouldn't automatically overheat it. I think that's dumb. Sidearm balancing next hotfix. yea the one shot overheat is dumb and that is an amarr trait anyways how did gallente get stuck with an overheat weapon a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 324	Posted - 2014.07.17 22:36:00 - [8] - Quote headbust wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I like the concept of it. The charge shot shouldn't automatically overheat it. I think that's dumb. Sidearm balancing next hotfix. yea the one shot overheat is dumb and that is an amarr trait anyways how did gallente get stuck with an overheat weapon Umm...super hot plasma discharged wouldn't cause an overheat? From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 874	Posted - 2014.07.17 23:05:00 - [9] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: headbust wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I like the concept of it. The charge shot shouldn't automatically overheat it. I think that's dumb. Sidearm balancing next hotfix. yea the one shot overheat is dumb and that is an amarr trait anyways how did gallente get stuck with an overheat weapon Umm...super hot plasma discharged wouldn't cause an overheat? That's like calling a squirrel the largest beast you have ever seen.. O.o; http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 240	Posted - 2014.07.17 23:31:00 - [10] - Quote headbust wrote: and thoughts on making it a viable defense weapon. I'll start when the ion pistol came out i maxed it out i have level 5 ,pro 5 , sharpshooter 5, and 3 on the others. i can usually kill a caldari and a minmatar with it by rapid firing. but it is hard and u have to sneak up on them. imo the charge shot is practically uselessu cant use it while aiming down sights most of the time for all the shaking around, and if u hip fire it the accuracy is so bad u will probably miss. The damage is laughable for such a short range weapon with such a small clip and low rof. the only thing fun about this gun is getting a kill with it because its so funny. I've used it for a while as well, bu it needs love. Rapid firing is the only means of really using it properly, and then it acts as a combat rifle with low damage and low range (and a poor damage profile that deals less dmg to armour, which is typically much more plentiful). Charging it is a joke: You can't do enough damage to one-shot someone, you don't have the range to allow distance to save your overheated ass, and it takes too long to charge to be a finishing blow. Essentially its a poor knock off of the pre-1.7 assault scrambler pistol. You can try using it on a kincatted scout with a cloak, but even then, its a lol weapon, much like a plasma cannon, with perhaps, less utility. Hopefully Hotfix Delta will help make sidearms not named "submachine gun" more viable.

Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 5	Posted - 2014.07.18 00:36:00 - [11] - Quote . . . I kill people, one-shot with an Ion Pistol, without having to resort to suprise. Medium and Light suits. Heavies reqire a different tactic, usually rapid fire, then charge on the last two shots. Rapid damage to take the sheilds, two slugs to cripple the armor. Not always going to work, but an effective tactic after you force them to reload. Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1518	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:30:00 - [12] - Quote headbust wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I like the concept of it. The charge shot shouldn't automatically overheat it. I think that's dumb. Sidearm balancing next hotfix. yea the one shot overheat is dumb and that is an amarr trait anyways how did gallente get stuck with an overheat weapon Umm...you know that every race has at least one weapon that overheats right. Amarr: Laser & Scrambler Gallente: Ion Pistol, Balac's AR (yep it overheats after firing a single mag without stopping), small blaster turrets, large blaster turrets Caldari: Rail Turrets Minmatar: HMG Explain to me again how overheating is an Amarr thing. It would make more sense to call it a Gallente thing since Gallente has more weapons that overheat than anyother race. Lawyered. Fun > Realism
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 86	Posted - 2014.07.18 12:05:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: headbust wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I like the concept of it. The charge shot shouldn't automatically overheat it. I think that's dumb. Sidearm balancing next hotfix. yea the one shot overheat is dumb and that is an amarr trait anyways how did gallente get stuck with an overheat weapon Umm...you know that every race has at least one weapon that overheats right. Amarr: Laser & Scrambler Gallente: Ion Pistol, Balac's AR (yep it overheats after firing a single mag without stopping), small blaster turrets, large blaster turrets Caldari: Rail Turrets Minmatar: HMG Explain to me again how overheating is an Amarr thing. It would make more sense to call it a Gallente thing since Gallente has more weapons that overheat than anyother race. Lawyered. didn't think about turrets lol but none of them overheat in one shot do they. explain that one to me a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 86	Posted - 2014.07.18 12:44:00 - [14] - Quote ok it has an overheat but a one shot over heat is not neccasary. i made this forum to give ideas on how to make it better not argue with some guys. so any suggestions a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3921	Posted - 2014.07.18 12:54:00 - [15] - Quote Unique ID killed me with an Ion Pistol once. I mailed him after to ask if I should feel insulted. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3921	Posted - 2014.07.18 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote headbust wrote: ok it has an overheat but a one shot over heat is not neccasary. i made this forum to give ideas on how to make it better not argue with some guys. so any suggestions I was thinking about the Ion Pistol recently, and how I feel it should be a miniature shotgun. Here is one proposal: - The Ion Pistol should fire 4 rounds in the time a Shotgun fires 3 rounds. - Damage from an Ion Pistol shot should be 75% of the damage from a shotgun. - Range equal to a Shotgun. - Clip size of 6. (Shotgun has 8) - Charged shot should do double damage. - 1 Charged shot + 1 normal shot within 5 seconds should overheat the pistol. In the time that a Shotgun fires 3 shots the Ion Pistol would do the same amount of damage with 4 shots, but that means having to hit 4 times rather than just 3, meaning it would require a bit more skill. Against suits that have just enough health to survive 1 Shotgun blast, the Ion Pistol would have a slight advantage over the Shotgun as it could get a second shot off more quickly to do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts. The Charged shot setup would allow the Ion pistol to get 2 shots off, with the equivalent of 3 shots of damage (or 2.25 Shotgun shots) but would then overheat. It would also provide the option of switching weapons after the charged shot. (The charged shot would do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts worth of damage. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3614	Posted - 2014.07.18 14:59:00 - [17] - Quote I think a slight RoF buff or a slight dmg buff would make it better, but I think they need to work out the buggy ness of the weapon first. Oh, and make it have less dispersion. That's a big one. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 6	Posted - 2014.07.18 15:44:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I was thinking about the Ion Pistol recently, and how I feel it should be a miniature shotgun. Here is one proposal: - The Ion Pistol should fire 4 rounds in the time a Shotgun fires 3 rounds. - Damage from an Ion Pistol shot should be 75% of the damage from a shotgun. - Range equal to a Shotgun. - Clip size of 6. (Shotgun has 8) - Charged shot should do double damage. - 1 Charged shot + 1 normal shot within 5 seconds should overheat the pistol. In the time that a Shotgun fires 3 shots the Ion Pistol would do the same amount of damage with 4 shots, but that means having to hit 4 times rather than just 3, meaning it would require a bit more skill. Against suits that have just enough health to survive 1 Shotgun blast, the Ion Pistol would have a slight advantage over the Shotgun as it could get a second shot off more quickly to do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts. The Charged shot setup would allow the Ion pistol to get 2 shots off, with the equivalent of 3 shots of damage (or 2.25 Shotgun shots) but would then overheat. It would also provide the option of switching weapons after the charged shot. (The charged shot would do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts worth of damage. I like where this could take us, but I don't think a 'mini-shotgun' is how the Ion 'Pistol' should function. Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
jace silencerww D3ATH CARD 25	Posted - 2014.07.18 17:34:00 - [19] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: headbust wrote: ok it has an overheat but a one shot over heat is not neccasary. i made this forum to give ideas on how to make it better not argue with some guys. so any suggestions I was thinking about the Ion Pistol recently, and how I feel it should be a miniature shotgun. Here is one proposal: - The Ion Pistol should fire 4 rounds in the time a Shotgun fires 3 rounds. - Damage from an Ion Pistol shot should be 75% of the damage from a shotgun. - Range equal to a Shotgun. - Clip size of 6. (Shotgun has 8) - Charged shot should do double damage. - 1 Charged shot + 1 normal shot within 5 seconds should overheat the pistol. In the time that a Shotgun fires 3 shots the Ion Pistol would do the same amount of damage with 4 shots, but that means having to hit 4 times rather than just 3, meaning it would require a bit more skill. Against suits that have just enough health to survive 1 Shotgun blast, the Ion Pistol would have a slight advantage over the Shotgun as it could get a second shot off more quickly to do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts. The Charged shot setup would allow the Ion pistol to get 2 shots off, with the equivalent of 3 shots of damage (or 2.25 Shotgun shots) but would then overheat. It would also provide the option of switching weapons after the charged shot. (The charged shot would do the equivalent of 1.5 Shotgun blasts worth of damage. just remember do you want scouts with this plus a cr, scr, rr, or plc? oh militia shotgun has 6 shots in it. plus normal shotgun has a 15-17 meter range
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 87	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:29:00 - [20] - Quote i like the mini shotgun thing but then they mite have to reduce clip size to about 2-3 since it is a side arm but it sounds awesome a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back

headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 94	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:29:00 - [21] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Unique ID killed me with an Ion Pistol once. I mailed him after to ask if I should feel insulted. lol i get kills with it on my gall scout i usually get mail when i get people with it lol a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 94	Posted - 2014.07.21 12:34:00 - [22] - Quote bump a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2014.07.21 13:20:00 - [23] - Quote ah, i've never used it so it's basically a mini plasma cannon ******* CCP stop shorting the Gallente You know the scary thing about em? They don't need power... lights, heat, nothing. That's their advantage.
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 94	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:21:00 - [24] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: ah, i've never used it so it's basically a mini plasma cannon ******* CCP stop shorting the Gallente lol that sounds about rite a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back


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