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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:40:00 -
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Mr. Calvin b is right, and we all know it. Like the flaylock pistol before it, the cloak is being abused?! There is no fixing this item, however?! Unless we are able to scan cloaks, they need to be removed. Cool trick, but it has obviously worn out it's welcome. Why this even needs to be explained is beyond me smh?! Those here who run cloaked scouts are here just trolling this forum?! You, most of all, know full well running cloaked scouts is a walk in the park. You should be ashamed, but your the type of guys who just wanna win easily?! Scouting in this game, for the first time ever, was a skill before the cloak. Now it's just a bunch of guys who got killed by assaults taking their revenge lol! Sure you die occasionally, but let's be realistic just a little here?!
To come to this forum, and say scouting is balanced is the same as tankers coming here 2 weeks after 1.7 saying tanks and AV are balanced?! Scouts are in a class of their own entirely! No assault player can hang with them! Heavies are shooting at everything, and not hitting the scouts at all?!
Now as an amatuer scout I will tell you Mr. Calvin b that if CCP wants to give the cloak to the scouts they might as well use it, but real scouts don't need cloaks. If you are good at scouting the cloak is overkill in all honesty. Soon, with a wing and a prayer, the scouts will see more balance with hotfix charlie and have to choose between dampening, precision, speed, and protection like the rest of us. Currently they can do it all, and cloak?! That isn't balance scouts?! Remember 1.7, and how tanks made the game impossible for you.
Instead of trolling anyone who states the obvious about the cloak, how about showing them how practical it is. Suggest some fixes toward imbalance, and help the community understand why you do indeed need the cloak. Alot of you have this "can't beat em join em" mentality that will have everyone in a scout by tomorrow morning if it was up to you?! I implore you to remember why it is that we stopped playing call of duty to play dust in the first place? Diversity, versatility, and customization! The FOTM mentality mustn't shape this game. If that's the case, and I just need to do like everyone else, then I want a respect every time a new weapon drops?! It's absurd right? I want to specialize, and I can't do that if I have to waste points on something I don't run to keep up with the game?!
Let's be clear! Nerfing all rifles to fix the fact that the rail rifle and combat rifle was OP didn't work?! That's why the AR got a buff! It, along with the rest of the gallente weapons, are mediocre at best. Dropping everything along with the OP weapons still made the OP weapons OP smh?! If you keep giving amazing evidence to the community as to why the cloak is not needed it will get axed whether you like it or not geniuses?! CCP rattati isn't for imbalance, and if you guys haven't noticed already? He has the reigns on things right now, and he's gunning for balance!
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:05:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Clone D wrote:Bethhy wrote:and yes I will call bullshit when it should be called. Everytime. You suck monkey asses and eat rhino turds, and you don't know anything. I lol at this statement, as a matter of fact I point the finger and laugh in your face. @ OP cloaked scouts are not a problem, its you. Even if there was no cloak your passive scans wouldn't have seen them behind or beside you. Quit your whining and train yourself in situational awareness. I play all roles and the only role that needs something tweaked is the assault. People like you break the game with this nonsense instead of fixing it. "I can't counter so it's the game. NERF NERF NERF"
Not to insult you in any way, but everyone has adapted buddy?! The fact that you refer to them as "OP cloaked scouts" is the problem everyone is referring to?! This game is for squads and teams! Squads and teams win battles! Working together, and letting your squad and team members abilities compliment yours. The Cloak makes for the "one man army" ability. It isn't "crazy' or "crying" to say that the ability to take one scout against 6 other guys and beat them is absurd?! It is illogical completely?! You guys watch to much tv?! If you want a sense of realism then wrap your minds around the fact that you can't take on a full squad of competent fighters in a gun fight and win....... unless you have a cloak (crutch).
It's like the "quick scope" ability in call of duty. Why use anything else when I can do something easy that puts me out of range? It's why in every game everyone wants to be a sniper. Not because it's hard, but because it's easy?! (In real life it's unbelievably hard) I can name the scouts that were already good before the cloak, and you aren't one of them! You, like the rest of the fotm bandwagon, are abusing the cloak! Plain and simple! Cut it how you want, but the facts remain. If we gave haevies cloaks tomorrow you'd flip **** until you got a cloak on a heavy?! If assaults had jetpacks you'd want a respec to get a jetpack, and try to fit it on a heavy?!
Adaptation is a skill, and like anything else you have to adapt to change in all things. If scouts were using their bonuses without the cloaks I would agree with you, but with the cloak is overkill?! Caldari scouts can see you at all times, and with the cloak you can't see him?! Where's the balance in that?
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:11:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr. Calvin b is right, and we all know it. Like the flaylock pistol before it, the cloak is being abused?! There is no fixing this item, however?! Unless we are able to scan cloaks, they need to be removed. Cool trick, but it has obviously worn out it's welcome. Why this even needs to be explained is beyond me smh?! Those here who run cloaked scouts are here just trolling this forum?! You, most of all, know full well running cloaked scouts is a walk in the park. You should be ashamed, but your the type of guys who just wanna win easily?! Scouting in this game, for the first time ever, was a skill before the cloak. Now it's just a bunch of guys who got killed by assaults taking their revenge lol! Sure you die occasionally, but let's be realistic just a little here?!
To come to this forum, and say scouting is balanced is the same as tankers coming here 2 weeks after 1.7 saying tanks and AV are balanced?! Scouts are in a class of their own entirely! No assault player can hang with them! Heavies are shooting at everything, and not hitting the scouts at all?!
Now as an amatuer scout I will tell you Mr. Calvin b that if CCP wants to give the cloak to the scouts they might as well use it, but real scouts don't need cloaks. If you are good at scouting the cloak is overkill in all honesty. Soon, with a wing and a prayer, the scouts will see more balance with hotfix charlie and have to choose between dampening, precision, speed, and protection like the rest of us. Currently they can do it all, and cloak?! That isn't balance scouts?! Remember 1.7, and how tanks made the game impossible for you.
Instead of trolling anyone who states the obvious about the cloak, how about showing them how practical it is. Suggest some fixes toward imbalance, and help the community understand why you do indeed need the cloak. Alot of you have this "can't beat em join em" mentality that will have everyone in a scout by tomorrow morning if it was up to you?! I implore you to remember why it is that we stopped playing call of duty to play dust in the first place? Diversity, versatility, and customization! The FOTM mentality mustn't shape this game. If that's the case, and I just need to do like everyone else, then I want a respect every time a new weapon drops?! It's absurd right? I want to specialize, and I can't do that if I have to waste points on something I don't run to keep up with the game?!
Let's be clear! Nerfing all rifles to fix the fact that the rail rifle and combat rifle was OP didn't work?! That's why the AR got a buff! It, along with the rest of the gallente weapons, are mediocre at best. Dropping everything along with the OP weapons still made the OP weapons OP smh?! If you keep giving amazing evidence to the community as to why the cloak is not needed it will get axed whether you like it or not geniuses?! CCP rattati isn't for imbalance, and if you guys haven't noticed already? He has the reigns on things right now, and he's gunning for balance! Im still unclear how the cloak is being abused while being used as intended......a scout ( the real only suit that can fit it without loss of everything else ) usee it to move around the field and get into position while being undetected.....that's abuse? The cloak is just about useless unless its at proto level because it has sh!t dampening at standard and advanced levels not to mention that with the low timers on them they can't be used to go from one side of the map to the other. The only problem is that a sentinel suit has sh!t for passive scans so they can't see anything else but another heavy, unless they stick with their squad and uee the shared tacnet. A solo heavy running around should be nothing more then a moving target for anything else on the map.
Your talking scout against scout. Everyone else is a victim lol! You guys keep comparing dampening and precision stats like the assault guys being shot at by the tank, heavy, ADS, and scouts have time to see if they can play hide and seek with each other lmao! So now I need to replace rep mods and armor to play Ewar with scouts? Thanks, I guess I was doing it all wrong smh?!
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:15:00 -
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Look if i'm a scout in 1.6, and needed to cross an area? I used my speed, range amp, dampening, and precision.... and I looked both ways before crossing the damn street in front of the blaster tank! You guys wanna be completely ********, and still survive lol! You don't need a cloak to play?! It just makes it easier to play.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:47:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:p.p.s. Calvin, you still running primarily solo? If so, I suspect that may be, at least in part, why you're taking a bit of a hard line on cloaks. I think you'll find that if you're in a good squad with a good gal logi or passive scanning cal scout, you won't die nearly as much to cloaked scouts. That doesn't mean there's no problem, because there is, but rather that you may be getting the short end of the stick, so to speak, because of running solo (if you're still doing that).
You're right, but one shouldn't have to be forced to employ a particular scout type to combat a single thing in the game?! Yes, the cal scout IS the immediate fix right now, but that shouldn't be the end all be all should it?
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:53:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:calvin b wrote:Cloaks need to be removed or you have to give us a way of seeing them. If I have to run scout to kill a cloaked scout I will quit. Sorry dude, but you have to be joking us here - I constantly dying even when I'm not moving with cloak. People are doing it all the time, they look around to check if they cross-hair change red... - everyone can be spoted, there is no "cloaking" in this game..
You, my friend, are in denial!
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:34:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:calvin...
there have been carbon copies of your thread ever since the cloak came out...
and it's always been laughed at because the only thing that made the cloak OP was its dampening bonus. they removed it for the most part and only proto has 10% bonus now, which is the only reason anyone even uses the proto cloak anymore.
if you're not at least 50 meters out, the cloak ACTUALLY MAKES YOU EASIER TO SPOT
WHAT?!!!! No it doesn't! You guys are playing an entirely different game because the scouts I see are racing toward me at 8 or 9 m/s with a shotgun, 400 armor, and 300 shield?! I got all of no seconds to fire before he shoots me?! I never see the nova knives?!
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.18 07:40:00 -
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Talon Paetznick II wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr. Calvin b is right, and we all know it. Like the flaylock pistol before it, the cloak is being abused?! There is no fixing this item, however?! Unless we are able to scan cloaks, they need to be removed. Cool trick, but it has obviously worn out it's welcome. Why this even needs to be explained is beyond me smh?! Those here who run cloaked scouts are here just trolling this forum?! You, most of all, know full well running cloaked scouts is a walk in the park. You should be ashamed, but your the type of guys who just wanna win easily?! Scouting in this game, for the first time ever, was a skill before the cloak. Now it's just a bunch of guys who got killed by assaults taking their revenge lol! Sure you die occasionally, but let's be realistic just a little here?!
To come to this forum, and say scouting is balanced is the same as tankers coming here 2 weeks after 1.7 saying tanks and AV are balanced?! Scouts are in a class of their own entirely! No assault player can hang with them! Heavies are shooting at everything, and not hitting the scouts at all?!
Now as an amatuer scout I will tell you Mr. Calvin b that if CCP wants to give the cloak to the scouts they might as well use it, but real scouts don't need cloaks. If you are good at scouting the cloak is overkill in all honesty. Soon, with a wing and a prayer, the scouts will see more balance with hotfix charlie and have to choose between dampening, precision, speed, and protection like the rest of us. Currently they can do it all, and cloak?! That isn't balance scouts?! Remember 1.7, and how tanks made the game impossible for you.
Instead of trolling anyone who states the obvious about the cloak, how about showing them how practical it is. Suggest some fixes toward imbalance, and help the community understand why you do indeed need the cloak. Alot of you have this "can't beat em join em" mentality that will have everyone in a scout by tomorrow morning if it was up to you?! I implore you to remember why it is that we stopped playing call of duty to play dust in the first place? Diversity, versatility, and customization! The FOTM mentality mustn't shape this game. If that's the case, and I just need to do like everyone else, then I want a respect every time a new weapon drops?! It's absurd right? I want to specialize, and I can't do that if I have to waste points on something I don't run to keep up with the game?!
Let's be clear! Nerfing all rifles to fix the fact that the rail rifle and combat rifle was OP didn't work?! That's why the AR got a buff! It, along with the rest of the gallente weapons, are mediocre at best. Dropping everything along with the OP weapons still made the OP weapons OP smh?! If you keep giving amazing evidence to the community as to why the cloak is not needed it will get axed whether you like it or not geniuses?! CCP rattati isn't for imbalance, and if you guys haven't noticed already? He has the reigns on things right now, and he's gunning for balance! cloaks are in no way being abused in fact any cloak short of proto can end up with a conservative use also cloaks are not a direct advantage I mostly use cloaks to slip past units or get the drop on a straggler from a group the advantage is indirect another thing about cloaks is that they reinforce the scouts role as a saboteur by encouraging guerrilla tactics which by the way are focused around pressuring and angering the enemy into making more mistakes, the proto cloak could use a small 5 second nerf in other words you're supposed to hate cloaks
And why again do you need a cloak? You're actually helping me make my point ya know. All of that was done just fine before the cloak. It's a gimmick plain and simple. What IS apparently needed is skill for these scouts who only started scouting post 1.8.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.19 02:51:00 -
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Ralden Caster wrote:calvin b wrote:
My question to CCP how do you defend against a target you cant see. Sure I can see what is front of me but how many times have you been ambushed by group of scouts that appeared out of nowhere.
Active scanners and precision enhancers.
Cuz that's working right?! Smh?!
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Ralden Caster wrote:calvin b wrote:
My question to CCP how do you defend against a target you cant see. Sure I can see what is front of me but how many times have you been ambushed by group of scouts that appeared out of nowhere.
Active scanners and precision enhancers. Cuz that's working right?! Smh?! Well. yeah.they are. Unless i put 2 cx Profile dampeners i get picked up with my Gk.0 scout even in pub games.
For scouts, but everyone isn't running scouts. Every time this convo comes up scouts jump up screaming about what they can do, but fail to realize that the rest of us have other things to do with our slots besides look for you! Sure I can get scout and stack dampening and precision mods all day, but whose gonna do everything else if e all do that? We're refering to the scout/assault storm that is too fast to hit, doesn't take dmg, dissapears, has 400 armor, combat rifles, and a hitbox the size of a stop sign pole?! The fact that we're having this convo AGAIN should state the obvious?! One simply has to log on, and play any other role in ambush. Sooner than later you will see exactly what we're referring to.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.19 21:06:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Stop that already! That hate all around scouts. You think its that easy? Grab one and play vs normal players (read : not blueberrys). My caldari scout can be taken down by 1 charged vizia scr shoot.. no matter if your scout have 300-700ehp, scr melts every scout. No matter if its armor or shield. 15 shoots (without amarr bonus) is egnouth to take down shield + 500+ armor.
Now they are taking aways caldari precision. So now you will see what is tanking. Most cals will run 4x shield because there will be no sense to eqiup 2enchancers to scan 1x damp scout.
Hitbox is a problem? Then how bad are you?
Because militia blueberry can spot and take out my cloaked scout from 60+ meters.
If you have problem with tanked scout, eqiup scanner, ScR/CR and kill them. Or can you only qq about how bad are you and cant kill everyone?
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Or the fact you suck as a scout. If you cant go 30+ kills running in a cal scout with a CR or SG you suck. The fact is it is too easy to use the scout and I cant wait for the scrubs hiding behind another FOTM to have to play on an even field and not hide behind another crutch. The cloak and built in scanners give the scout such a huge advantage over other suits its ridiculous. The fact your defending them says a lot about you. Also hit box is 1/4th of any other suit, so the question how terrible are you that you cant pull off more than 30 kills a game with such an easy crutch?
+1
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:01:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Just to reiterate, making flux grenades deplete the timer on the cloak makes the cloak balanced. A flux can be equipped by anyone, whereas other counters require you to either skill a certain class of suit OR skill a certain class of suit AND an equipment. A flux is a STD grenade anyone can use.
Fully depleting a cloak with a flux not only renders a scout visible, but also makes the scout have to wait until it's cloak recharges to use it again. I DONT AGREE.
Having a grenade ANYONE can equip with only Level 1 in Grenadier, Disrupt my prototype cloak on my 190k Scout suit doesnt seem at ALL fair to me. Not to sound snarky but..... you could... avoid the grenade? A basic Locus grenade can kill many scouts. Losing your cloak at least leaves you the opportunity to defend yourself or run. Well, not to sound snarky but....you guys could...shoot the invisible scouts instead of doing Nerf/QQ/Anti cloak threads...?
Plus a flux grenades has even at basic level more splash range than a locus.
Shoot the invisible scout?! ok
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