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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:14:00 -
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Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill so CCP makes some nice changes like swapping the module slot layouts from the amarr and galente sentinels. Yes you have read it right the amarr heavy that allready has the most natural amount of armor gets aswell now the most lowslots.
So what does that mean? Its quite simple my fellow reptool slaves. You remember the 1250HP armor that the gallente sentinel had? Which was allways the wet dream of every logi wielding a reptool? Well think again the amarr has put on some weight and k.o. the gallente sentinel. To be precise the proto amarr sentinel is going to be capable of having a whooping 1344HP on armor with 4 complex plates.
You can read about the slot layout changes here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168380
and here is the spreadsheet that is aswell avaible:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JICv_CSUaIePNDrrytiK0KQPfHuZaeYShZC2hyse8iE/edit?pli=1#gid=51247728 |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:15:00 -
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Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway......
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3582
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway......
Thats true but the potential max HP gets lower on gallente sentinels (3 lows on proto) while the possible HP on the amarr sentinel goes up (4 low slots) which makes it very clear who is now the king of bricktanking among heavys. |
boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:19:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:True Adamance wrote:Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway...... Thats true but the potential max HP gets lower on gallente sentinels (3 lows on proto) while the possible HP on the amarr sentinel goes up (4 low slots) which makes it very clear who is now the king of bricktanking among heavys.
this should of been the case anyway. gal have there natural reps (haha) though i have to say with the resistance to hmg's the amarr sentinal is going to be nut's i see a nerf incoming.
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uptown456
Dark Taboo
478
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:52:00 -
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But, I like my 3 lows at proto, I like to put a complex dmg mod and a complex shield for the 2 highs that amarr gets. Y u do dis cee cee pee
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11927
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:56:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:True Adamance wrote:Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway...... Thats true but the potential max HP gets lower on gallente sentinels (3 lows on proto) while the possible HP on the amarr sentinel goes up (4 low slots) which makes it very clear who is now the king of bricktanking among heavys.
Indeed and that certainly is an issue.
How to adequately reflect the Amarr and Gallente combat styles without unbalancing them.
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Espartoi
Orkz Clan
296
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:04:00 -
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I never understand here why Commandos doesn't know how to use a grenade....
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
506
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:19:00 -
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oh hey, turns out I have 1344 armour or 37hp/s on 750.
Neat.
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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Fizzer94
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2945
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:39:00 -
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Espartoi wrote:I never understand here why Commandos doesn't know how to use a grenade....
They liked their shooty shooty kill-guns so much they never bothered to learn how to throw a grenade in basic.
My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon.
Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
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Brotherband
Fantom Company
21
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:41:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill so CCP makes some nice changes like swapping the module slot layouts from the amarr and galente sentinels. Yes you have read it right the amarr heavy that allready has the most natural amount of armor gets aswell now the most lowslots. So what does that mean? Its quite simple my fellow reptool slaves. You remember the 1250HP armor that the gallente sentinel had? Which was allways the wet dream of every logi wielding a reptool? Well think again the amarr has put on some weight and k.o. the gallente sentinel. To be precise the proto amarr sentinel is going to be capable of having a whooping 1344HP on armor with 4 complex plates. You can read about the slot layout changes here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168380and here is the spreadsheet that is aswell avaible: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JICv_CSUaIePNDrrytiK0KQPfHuZaeYShZC2hyse8iE/edit?pli=1#gid=51247728
1. grammar please
2.slot layout: 10/10 would rep
I do not expect us to live through this fight. My only request is that you fight with honor and die with dignity.
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
10575
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:07:00 -
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Considering how it is the player with the Repair Tool which dictates whether or not the Sentinel survives, as well as the "leash" mechanic behind the repair tool, it is actually the "repper" who is the master, and the Sentinel the slave.
Though in all actuality, the Logi-Senti relationship is actually symbiotic, as the Sentinel relies on the Logistics for survivability, while the Logistics relies on the Sentinel for success.
The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers!
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:09:00 -
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On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8803
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:23:00 -
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What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.
Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates?
Amarr are the good guys
Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
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Guiltless D667
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:50:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.
Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates?
Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies.
A Strange Game.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
3106
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny.
You have to understand how slow that suit is going to be. It already has the slowest base speed, with 20% additional speed penalty. If someone is stupid enough to use a 4 complex plate setup on their Amsent, I say let them do so.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3625
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:13:00 -
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Guiltless D667 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.
Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies.
See that'll never work since they have such a massive armor regain there's no need to fit anymore as seen with the scout so they'll just brick tank instead.
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
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Guiltless D667
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:24:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Guiltless D667 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.
Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies. See that'll never work since they have such a massive armor regain there's no need to fit anymore as seen with the scout so they'll just brick tank instead.
then lower base armor of gal heavy as a trade off for armor regen then by the end when you'll get high regen but have a significantly lower armor pool then amarr heavy. I was thinking rep mods first but that would open a new can of worms bring in all the others suits,we cant do that .
A Strange Game.
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3560
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:44:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.
Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates?
Kind of annoyed by this change, because the Amarr Sentinel's resistance to Rail Rifles is shield based. Also the Ability to be good with both the FG and HMG.
Then again, I always loved my armor tanked ships with hybrid rails 
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
4427
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:30:00 -
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I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...."
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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castba
Merc-0107
514
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:50:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.
Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates?
Racial bonuses across all suits- Amarr +armour plate bonus, gal +armour rapper bonus, cal +shield extender bonus, min +kin cat bonus & shield recharge bonus
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
4139
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:25:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...."
You should really find out if it's possible to create a section on the forums restricted to certain players (maybe a certain like count or play time?)
Or just making a white list of players who already are known to provide valueable feedback.
I guess that's kinda what the CPM is designed for, but I'm started to get really annoyed by all these players assuming the wrong things, or just reacting without reading -_-
It's because of these viewpoints that we can never come to an agreement on subjects like this. Instead of providing valuable feedback, they are spamming the forums with unecessary threads that push us even more off subject. It's so hard to find the valuable stuff from the worthless pieces.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
393
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny.
so a heavy suit gets more ehp than a fck LAV.......which one is bigger and heavier again?
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3626
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:41:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. so a heavy suit gets more ehp than a fck LAV.......which one is bigger and heavier again?
Which one can move faster?
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
979
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:58:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...."
I'm pleasantly suprised that you guys still come up with bizzare hypothetical proposals to discuss. |
Syeven Reed
G0DS AM0NG MEN
768
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...."
HL3 confirmed?
Twitter MajLagSpike
CPM Application
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
964
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Posted - 2014.07.17 12:56:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...."
You may not have noticed but there is a lot if this going around. I was beginning to wonder if I missed the Dev post outlining Charlie.
Because, that's why.
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xSivartx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
96
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:43:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. so a heavy suit gets more ehp than a fck LAV.......which one is bigger and heavier again? Which one can move faster?
The sent. of course. He is the driver after all. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
254
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Posted - 2014.07.17 14:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny.
Hey, at least he wont be able to turn around or move with that many plates on him. Sneaky Sneaky RE Boom!! |
Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5668
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:41:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1343
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:12:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." You should really find out if it's possible to create a section on the forums restricted to certain players (maybe a certain like count or play time?) Or just making a white list of players who already are known to provide valueable feedback. I guess that's kinda what the CPM is designed for, but I'm started to get really annoyed by all these players assuming the wrong things, or just reacting without reading -_- It's because of these viewpoints that we can never come to an agreement on subjects like this. Instead of providing valuable feedback, they are spamming the forums with unecessary threads that push us even more off subject. It's so hard to find the valuable stuff from the worthless pieces.
The D C is always going off on tangents on the forums man, you should know this by now.
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Tomate Pote
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
4
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:29:00 -
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Nice... my expendable and "living fatty weapon" will be have more armor...
It's time to fit some focused rep tools and slave some Gallente - Amarr heavys...
Tomate Pote, Logi
Aidualc , Scout
Maxnami, Fatty
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:56:00 -
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um amar is supposed to be the armor high roller of eve right? so they should have more slots than the armor regen type gallente.
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
1889
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:03:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." You should really find out if it's possible to create a section on the forums restricted to certain players (maybe a certain like count or play time?)
There is no statistical correlation between "Likes" & Value of Content. How many times have we seen a trolling comment farm the Likes?
I-Shayz-I wrote:Or just making a white list of players who already are known to provide valueable feedback.
snip
Much better. Plenty of room for error but nothing a sunshine policy couldn't overcome.
I-Shayz-I wrote:It's because of these viewpoints that we can never come to an agreement on subjects like this. Instead of providing valuable feedback, they are spamming the forums with unecessary threads that push us even more off subject. It's so hard to find the valuable stuff from the worthless pieces.
But.. But how else will people tailor the game to their advantage? It's beautiful in a Machiavellian way.
Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting.
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
1889
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:10:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill so CCP makes some nice changes like swapping the module slot layouts from the amarr and galente sentinels. Yes you have read it right the amarr heavy that allready has the most natural amount of armor gets aswell now the most lowslots. So what does that mean? Its quite simple my fellow reptool slaves. You remember the 1250HP armor that the gallente sentinel had? Which was allways the wet dream of every logi wielding a reptool? Well think again the amarr has put on some weight and k.o. the gallente sentinel. To be precise the proto amarr sentinel is going to be capable of having a whooping 1344HP on armor with 4 complex plates. You can read about the slot layout changes here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168380and here is the spreadsheet that is aswell avaible: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JICv_CSUaIePNDrrytiK0KQPfHuZaeYShZC2hyse8iE/edit?pli=1#gid=51247728
Stacking eHP is the problem and it encompasses more than just Heavy Frames. I've always been fond of having stacking-penalties. Simply turning the screws on Mod CPU & Grid requirements doesn't seem to be enough.
Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting.
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
10617
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:20:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:
Hey, at least he wont be able to turn around or move with that many plates on him. Sneaky Sneaky RE Boom!!
*Sets X & Y Sensitivity to 100*
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11993
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:39:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:um amar is supposed to be the armor high roller of eve right? so they should have more slots than the armor regen type gallente.
Not really... it's a little more nuanced than that.
Amarr have an abundance of low slots and are traditionally seen passive armour tankers due to numerous ships like the Maller, and Carthum affiliated ships recieving bonuses to armour resistance values. By this I mean they rely on a combination of solid Armour HP values and damage resistance types, however the Amarr are just armour tankers like the Gallente, and quite a few ship fits I've been given use active reps and acillary armour reppers.
Consequently the Gallente are also just armour tankers, its more to do with role bonuses really...... however I wont deny the Gallente have some great boats that thrive on Anciallary reppers.... like ******* Vexors.
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1960
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:18:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. You have to understand how slow that suit is going to be. It already has the slowest base speed, with 20% additional speed penalty. If someone is stupid enough to use a 4 complex plate setup on their Amsent, I say let them do so.
2 words. Fat Taxi.
Cross Atu for CPM1
Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11998
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:20:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Atiim wrote:On another note, lolWTF?
1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. You have to understand how slow that suit is going to be. It already has the slowest base speed, with 20% additional speed penalty. If someone is stupid enough to use a 4 complex plate setup on their Amsent, I say let them do so. 2 words. Fat Taxi.
Tanker Logic Inbound!
HTFU.... LAV's are a night mare for me as well!
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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