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Nocturnal Soul wrote:

Guiltless D667 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers.

Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates?

Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies.

See that'll never work since they have such a massive armor regain there's no need to fit anymore as seen with the scout so they'll just brick tank instead.

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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3582	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:14:00 - [1] - Quote Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill so CCP makes some nice changes like swapping the module slot layouts from the amarr and galente sentinels. Yes you have read it right the amarr heavy that allready has the most natural amount of armor gets aswell now the most lowslots. So what does that mean? Its quite simple my fellow reptool slaves. You remember the 1250HP armor that the gallente sentinel had? Which was allways the wet dream of every logi wielding a reptool? Well think again the amarr has put on some weight and k.o. the gallente sentinel. To be precise the proto amarr sentinel is going to be capable of having a whooping 1344HP on armor with 4 complex plates. You can read about the slot layout changes here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168380 and here is the spreadsheet that is aswell avaible: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JICv_CSUaIePNDrrytiK0KQPfHuZaeYShZC2hyse8iE/edit?pli=1#gid=51247728
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11927	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:15:00 - [2] - Quote Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway...... "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3582	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:17:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway...... Thats true but the potential max HP gets lower on gallente sentinels (3 lows on proto) while the possible HP on the amarr sentinel goes up (4 low slots) which makes it very clear who is now the king of bricktanking among heavys.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 746	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:19:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway...... Thats true but the potential max HP gets lower on gallente sentinels (3 lows on proto) while the possible HP on the amarr sentinel goes up (4 low slots) which makes it very clear who is now the king of bricktanking among heavys. this should of been the case anyway. gal have there natural reps (haha) though i have to say with the resistance to hmg's the amarr sentinal is going to be nut's i see a nerf incoming.
Yeeeuuuupppp uptown456 Dark Taboo 478	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:52:00 - [5] - Quote But, I like my 3 lows at proto, I like to put a complex dmg mod and a complex shield for the 2 highs that amarr gets. Y u do dis cee cee pee Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11927	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:56:00 - [6] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr and Gallente should have the highest number of low slots anyway...... Thats true but the potential max HP gets lower on gallente sentinels (3 lows on proto) while the possible HP on the amarr sentinel goes up (4 low slots) which makes it very clear who is now the king of bricktanking among heavys. Indeed and that certainly is an issue. How to adequately reflect the Amarr and Gallente combat styles without unbalancing them. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Espartoi Orkz Clan 296	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:04:00 - [7] - Quote I never understand here why Commandos doesn't know how to use a grenade.... Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 506	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:19:00 - [8] - Quote oh hey, turns out I have 1344 armour or 37hp/s on 750. Neat. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2945	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:39:00 - [9] - Quote Espartoi wrote: I never understand here why Commandos doesn't know how to use a grenade.... They liked their shooty shooty kill-guns so much they never bothered to learn how to throw a grenade in basic. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
Brotherband Fantom Company 21	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:41:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill so CCP makes some nice changes like swapping the module slot layouts from the amarr and galente sentinels. Yes you have read it right the amarr heavy that allready has the most natural amount of armor gets aswell now the most lowslots. So what does that mean? Its quite simple my fellow reptool slaves. You remember the 1250HP armor that the gallente sentinel had? Which was allways the wet dream of every logi wielding a reptool? Well think again the amarr has put on some weight and k.o. the gallente sentinel. To be precise the proto amarr sentinel is going to be capable of having a whooping 1344HP on armor with 4 complex plates. You can read about the slot layout changes here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168380 and here is the spreadsheet that is aswell avaible: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JICv_CSUaIePNDrrytiK0KQPfHuZaeYShZC2hyse8iE/edit?pli=1#gid=51247728 1. grammar please 2.slot layout: 10/10 would rep I do not expect us to live through this fight. My only request is that you fight with honor and die with dignity.

Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10575	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:07:00 - [11] - Quote Considering how it is the player with the Repair Tool which dictates whether or not the Sentinel survives, as well as the "leash" mechanic behind the repair tool, it is actually the "repper" who is the master, and the Sentinel the slave. Though in all actuality, the Logi-Senti relationship is actually symbiotic, as the Sentinel relies on the Logistics for survivability, while the Logistics relies on the Sentinel for success. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10576	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:09:00 - [12] - Quote On another note, lolWTF? 1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8803	Posted - 2014.07.17 04:23:00 - [13] - Quote What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers. Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Guiltless D667 47	Posted - 2014.07.17 05:50:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers. Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies. A Strange Game.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3106	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:03:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: On another note, lolWTF? 1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. You have to understand how slow that suit is going to be. It already has the slowest base speed, with 20% additional speed penalty. If someone is stupid enough to use a 4 complex plate setup on their Amsent, I say let them do so. H M G
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3625	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:13:00 - [16] - Quote Guiltless D667 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers. Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies. See that'll never work since they have such a massive armor regain there's no need to fit anymore as seen with the scout so they'll just brick tank instead. Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
Guiltless D667 47	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:24:00 - [17] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Guiltless D667 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers. Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Why not give gal heavies more armor regen on their suits? It would have to be a pretty big number to be significant in actual combat comparable to shield regen of other heavies. See that'll never work since they have such a massive armor regain there's no need to fit anymore as seen with the scout so they'll just brick tank instead. then lower base armor of gal heavy as a trade off for armor regen then by the end when you'll get high regen but have a significantly lower armor pool then amarr heavy. I was thinking rep mods first but that would open a new can of worms bring in all the others suits,we cant do that. A Strange Game.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3560	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:44:00 - [18] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers. Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Kind of annoyed by this change, because the Amarr Sentinel's resistance to Rail Rifles is shield based. Also the Ability to be good with both the FG and HMG. Then again, I always loved my armor tanked ships with hybrid rails Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Personal Theme Song

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4427	Posted - 2014.07.17 09:30:00 - [19] - Quote I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

castba Merc-0107 514	Posted - 2014.07.17 09:50:00 - [20] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: What we have here is a case of CCP originally making Gallente the best armor tanking race in Dust and Amarr the dual tankers and then gradually shifting to Amarr being the best armor tanking race in Dust (as it should be to match racial themes in EVE) and incidentally turning Gallente into the dual tankers. Now you have two groups who both believe they should be the best armor tankers in the game and it gets very conflicting. Of course, how it should be is Amarr are the best armor buffer tanks and Gallente are the best armor repping tanks, but how exactly do we do that in Dust as both plates and reps are fit to low slots and there is nothing currently to encourage Gallente to go with more reps and Amarr to go with more plates? Racial bonuses across all suits- Amarr +armour plate bonus, gal +armour rapper bonus, cal +shield extender bonus, min +kin cat bonus & shield recharge bonus ... or something similar.

I-Shayz-I I----------I 4139	Posted - 2014.07.17 10:25:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." You should really find out if it's possible to create a section on the forums restricted to certain players (maybe a certain like count or play time?) Or just making a white list of players who already are known to provide valueable feedback. I guess that's kinda what the CPM is designed for, but I'm started to get really annoyed by all these players assuming the wrong things, or just reacting without reading -_- It's because of these viewpoints that we can never come to an agreement on subjects like this. Instead of providing valuable feedback, they are spamming the forums with unecessary threads that push us even more off subject. It's so hard to find the valuable stuff from the worthless pieces. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 393	Posted - 2014.07.17 10:33:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: On another note, lolWTF? 1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. so a heavy suit gets more ehp than a fck LAV.......which one is bigger and heavier again? *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3626	Posted - 2014.07.17 10:41:00 - [23] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Atiim wrote: On another note, lolWTF? 1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. so a heavy suit gets more ehp than a fck LAV.......which one is bigger and heavier again? Which one can move faster? Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 979	Posted - 2014.07.17 10:58:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." I'm pleasantly suprised that you guys still come up with bizzare hypothetical proposals to discuss.
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 768	Posted - 2014.07.17 12:13:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." HL3 confirmed? Twitter MajLagSpike CPM Application
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 964	Posted - 2014.07.17 12:56:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." You may not have noticed but there is a lot if this going around. I was beginning to wonder if I missed the Dev post outlining Charlie. Because, that's why.
xSivartx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 96	Posted - 2014.07.17 13:43:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Atiim wrote: On another note, lolWTF? 1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. so a heavy suit gets more ehp than a fck LAV.......which one is bigger and heavier again? Which one can move faster? The sent. of course. He is the driver after all.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:54:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: On another note, lolWTF? 1344HP on a Dropsuit is so broken that it's not even funny. Hey, at least he wont be able to turn around or move with that many plates on him. Sneaky Sneaky RE Boom!!
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5668	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:41:00 - [29] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Well appearently heavys didnt where allready hard enough to kill pâùpâ¬pâ+pé+pâÑpé+pâÑpâöpâ+pé»péñpâ¦pé¦pâ¬pé+pâÑ pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1343	Posted - 2014.07.17 17:12:00 - [30] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I am pleasantly surprised that an exploratory goodwill discussion about a hypothetical new slot layout and none of the changes "need to happen" has become "Now they are...." You should really find out if it's possible to create a section on the forums restricted to certain players (maybe a certain like count or play time?) Or just making a white list of players who already are known to provide valueable feedback. I guess that's kinda what the CPM is designed for, but I'm started to get really annoyed by all these players assuming the wrong things, or just reacting without reading -_- It's because of these viewpoints that we can never come to an agreement on subjects like this. Instead of providing valuable feedback, they are spamming the forums with unecessary threads that push us even more off subject. It's so hard to find the valuable stuff from the worthless pieces. The D C is always going off on tangents on the forums man, you should know this by now. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!



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