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KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5289	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:54:00 - [1] - Quote .....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price. Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense. These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed. Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst Regular RR > Assault RR Regular SCR > ASCR Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR Etc... 77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle? Please. same for RR? WTH? Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k. discuss/comment/whatevs.... Stealth Storm
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:56:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: .....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price. Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense. These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed. Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst Regular RR > Assault RR Regular SCR > ASCR Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR Etc... 77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle? Please. same for RR? WTH? Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k. discuss/comment/whatevs.... i agree completely looks at the assault swarm launcher no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5292	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:01:00 - [3] - Quote ITs a simple fix that increases Proto diversity. And i REALLY cant think of a reason why this shouldn't be done. Stealth Storm
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2935	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:03:00 - [4] - Quote +1 My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2148	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:06:00 - [5] - Quote A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5293	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:13:00 - [6] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule. Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception. For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant. And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one. The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower. 100% counter-able. Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. Stealth Storm
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15943	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:15:00 - [7] - Quote Please do not use bold text. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11063	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:17:00 - [8] - Quote I believe that it's to encourage use of the original Racial rifle. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5293	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:18:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I believe that it's to encourage use of the original Racial rifle. Why? Whats more important to a game, that their players use their original Racial Rifle or to have Diversity in their game? @ Iron Wolf Saber:Why? I have the option to use it plus the reason too. Stealth Storm
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15944	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:23:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I believe that it's to encourage use of the original Racial rifle. Why?I mean, it makes sense but: Whats more important to a CCP: GÖª that their players use their original Racial Rifle or GÖª to have a game with weapon diversity? @ Iron Wolf Saber:Why? I have the option to use it plus the reason too.And there is no rule against it. With all due respect... because people skip over such blanket formats and lowers their opinion of you. This isn't like Minja's lime green brigade back in eve. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked

KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5294	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:33:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I believe that it's to encourage use of the original Racial rifle. Why?I mean, it makes sense but: Whats more important to a CCP: GÖª that their players use their original Racial Rifle or GÖª to have a game with weapon diversity? @ Iron Wolf Saber:Why? I have the option to use it plus the reason too.And there is no rule against it. With all due respect... because people skip over such blanket formats and lowers their opinion of you. This isn't like Minja's lime green brigade back in eve. Ah thanks for worrying my friend but: GÖª If they skip it its fine. Not always my posts are worth reading. GÖª I dont care about people's opinion. HAHA lime green brigade XD You should have seen how i wrote in the MAG forums... But ok, i'll try to tone it down a bit. Still in threads with MORE forum posts i will keep using it since its the best way for me to detect my own posts and look for replies. You see.Im almost blind and without the bold i just see walls-o-text... Now back to the thread... Stealth Storm
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1210	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:53:00 - [12] - Quote Agree. I'm one of about [sic] 10 players left using the proto ARR, and I really would like to stop using all that ISK/AUR to fund my follies. Setting my own self interest aside, it never made sense to me why the less effective variants were more expensive (except for the FG, of course).
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11927	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:57:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Its time.....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price. Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense. These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed. Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst Regular RR > Assault RR Regular SCR > ASCR Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR Etc... 77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle? Please. same for RR? WTH? If anything, they should be CHEAPER! Anyhow: Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k. discuss/comment/whatevs.... I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR................. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 205	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:59:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule. Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception. For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant. And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one. The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower. 100% counter-able. Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. Eh being someone who loves to forge I would say each of them have their own use. Probably the most balanced of all variant uses in fact. Breach = High Alpha for the synced suprise vehicle popping. Assault = Highest DPS for chasing down vehicles and burning them to ash. Standard = Great for playing space golf with dropsuits.
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5295	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:01:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Its time.....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price. Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense. These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed. Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst Regular RR > Assault RR Regular SCR > ASCR Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR Etc... 77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle? Please. same for RR? WTH? If anything, they should be CHEAPER! Anyhow: Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k. discuss/comment/whatevs.... I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR................. 1st off - THATS BLASPHEMY. The Regular Variant of SCR is as God intended it to be so its PERFECT. 2nd - ''I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR'' You can debate that. But can you debate the fact the SCR is NOT inferior to the ASCR and that the ASCR has no feature that deserves a 30k+ increase in price? thought so. Stealth Storm
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11928	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:02:00 - [16] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Its time.....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price. Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense. These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed. Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst Regular RR > Assault RR Regular SCR > ASCR Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR Etc... 77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle? Please. same for RR? WTH? If anything, they should be CHEAPER! Anyhow: Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k. discuss/comment/whatevs.... I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR................. 1st off - THATS BLASPHEMY. The Regular Variant of SCR is as God intended it to be so its PERFECT. 2nd - ''I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR'' You can debate that. But can you debate the fact the SCR is NOT inferior to the ASCR and that the ASCR has no feature that deserves a 30k+ increase in price? thought so. Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak. Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2012	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:02:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule. Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception. For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant. And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one. The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower. 100% counter-able. Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. assault forge is better then regular and breach barely has any uses. there is no reason to use the the regular forge over either type. you have always been a terribad and always be one and your claim of the assault being perception to be better is because it is a fact that it is better and proves of your terribad staus. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 205	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:03:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Its time.....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price. Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense. These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed. Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst Regular RR > Assault RR Regular SCR > ASCR Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR Etc... 77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle? Please. same for RR? WTH? If anything, they should be CHEAPER! Anyhow: Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k. discuss/comment/whatevs.... I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR................. It's inferior when people flip the turbo switch.
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5295	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:08:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak. Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m. ''Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.'' You waste your money considering the SCR doesnt even NEED re-supply nor reloading between engagements like the ASCR does and Can do the same at 50+mts with less shots. You have proven me you liek the weapon and look at its good points. Still, you havnt proven why the ASCR deserves a 30k difference price. Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5296	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:10:00 - [20] - Quote ladwar wrote: assault forge is better then regular and breach barely has any uses. there is no reason to use the the regular forge over either type. you have always been a terribad and always be one and your claim of the assault being perception to be better is because it is a fact that it is better and proves of your terribad staus. Even with my terribad status, i guarantee that if you are in a tower 200mts up in the sky is a lot easier to land shots with a Regular/Breach than an Assault. Oh i forgot, the Fg's have SPLASH damage... nono im talking about CONNECTING hits here ... :3 STILL. no one has given me a good reason any of these weapons need to cost 30k+ ISK. Which proves my point. Stealth Storm

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 320	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:43:00 - [21] - Quote Not really. You get CreoDrone Breach Assault Rifles as Salvage, so that mitigates the cost, just as you get Carthums. The extra price tag comes with the change to the gun. A variant of something will always be more intensive. Basic Frame suits- Speciality Suits. The difference is the SP needed to max it out. Same for your gun. If you don't like the Duvolle, then you pay for the different variants. Also, the Breach AR is better for CQC, less at Long Range in a Confrontation. The Tac AR is amazing on a logi as a Long Range Rifle with High Alpha damage Both guns due considerable DPS over the Duvolle. Yes, the fire rate is the different and mitigates that, but all in all, the guns are branches off the Proto Tier, and that costs money. You wanna be a niche player using the ASCR, well it'll cost you. Non-conformity costs P.S. Assault Rail Rifle is amazing. Assault Forge gun is good for tank hunting when you get in front or behind one, hell even from a low perch. From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Assault Swarm Launcher Caldari State 206	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:02:00 - [22] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: i agree completely looks at the assault swarm launcher "Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..." -CCP Logibro
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 111	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:09:00 - [23] - Quote really? 'cause I think the Breach AR is like a million times better than the regular AR. I can't hit the broadside of a star destroyer (heh, check out how nerdy I am, aren't I cool?) with a regular AR, but give me a breach and I'm the meanest noob this side of the star trek universe. (--.-- )
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11938	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:12:00 - [24] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak. Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m. ''Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.'' You waste your money considering the SCR doesnt even NEED re-supply nor reloading between engagements like the ASCR does and Can do the same at 50+mts with less shots. You have proven me you liek the weapon and look at its good points. Still, you havnt proven why the ASCR deserves a 30k difference price. Cause if it didn't my Ak.0 Commando wouldn't cap past 250K ISK per suit "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5301	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:15:00 - [25] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Not really. You get CreoDrone Breach Assault Rifles as Salvage, so that mitigates the cost, just as you get Carthums. The extra price tag comes with the change to the gun. A variant of something will always be more intensive. Basic Frame suits- Speciality Suits. The difference is the SP needed to max it out. Same for your gun. If you don't like the Duvolle, then you pay for the different variants. Also, the Breach AR is better for CQC, less at Long Range in a Confrontation. The Tac AR is amazing on a logi as a Long Range Rifle with High Alpha damage Both guns due considerable DPS over the Duvolle. Yes, the fire rate is the different and mitigates that, but all in all, the guns are branches off the Proto Tier, and that costs money. You wanna be a niche player using the ASCR, well it'll cost you. Non-conformity costs P.S. Assault Rail Rifle is amazing. Assault Forge gun is good for tank hunting when you get in front or behind one, hell even from a low perch. The fact that you recognize the pro's of these weapons is admirable. Still nothing you said will make me pay 30k ISK more for any of them, and i would still wreck them ALL with a Duvolle at its effective range.... gg thou. xD Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5303	Posted - 2014.07.17 03:28:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak. Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m. ''Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.'' You waste your money considering the SCR doesnt even NEED re-supply nor reloading between engagements like the ASCR does and Can do the same at 50+mts with less shots. You have proven me you liek the weapon and look at its good points. Still, you havnt proven why the ASCR deserves a 30k difference price. Cause if it didn't my Ak.0 Commando wouldn't cap past 250K ISK per suit thats actually good. Stealth Storm
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2014.07.17 11:19:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule. Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception. For example , i never was able to hit squat s* with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant. And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one. The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower. 100% counter-able. Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. personally the assault suits my play style more but superior is definitely a thing of perception on that one. lets looks at assault variants...and see how many of them are prefered over stnd or breach assault swarm...lols no one uses this piece of ** assault scr...vastly underestimated by most..but still not preferred over the stnd by most amarrians assault forge (youll actually see this one..but is it better? as we discussed no) assault rr...ive seen this one a bit more lately..but it doesnt seem stronger than its brother the god gun......yet it costs more? assault smg( finally we come upon the only assault variant that i am fond of) tbh the only assault variants i see in use would be the assault smg and the assault combat rifle. there is no reason for them to be so expensive...did you know the assault swarm was once over 100k to restock just 1?...it has still never been usefull no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2014.07.17 11:21:00 - [28] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak. Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m. ''Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.'' You waste your money considering the SCR doesnt even NEED re-supply nor reloading between engagements like the ASCR does and Can do the same at 50+mts with less shots. You have proven me you liek the weapon and look at its good points. Still, you havnt proven why the ASCR deserves a 30k difference price. Cause if it didn't my Ak.0 Commando wouldn't cap past 250K ISK per suit thats actually good. he is right though true the stnd scr is far superior to the assault not to say i didnt just go 41/0 with the adv ascr on my logi...but who knows what kind of scruberries i was fighting no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1456	Posted - 2014.07.17 11:30:00 - [29] - Quote Them costing more makes sense. Its the race trying to alter their tech to mimic another races rifle. For instance, the AScR is mimicking the AR, and so is more expensive to produce, lore wise. However, they definitely should not cost almost twice as much. Maybe 10% more than their originals, at the highest. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 1517	Posted - 2014.07.17 11:46:00 - [30] - Quote The variants are generally pretty marginal weapons, favoured by a few diehard connosseurs but with too many drawbacks to be widely adopted. As the OP says, the higher price means that these weapons have even fewer users than they would otherwise and battlefield diversity suffers in consequence. +1 for equalized prices.

VikingKong iBUN G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 117	Posted - 2014.07.17 11:47:00 - [31] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule. Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception. For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant. And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one. The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower. 100% counter-able. Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. Once you learn to use it the assault forge is most certainly far superior to the standard. An accurate assault forge user can deal as much damage as a standard in about half the time, I totally agree that this weapon should cost more isk because it is simply better. However there shouldn't be variations of weapons that are just better, that's called lack of game balance. Also since about 5% of players (the ones involved in PC) have unlimited isk and the other 95% are totally broke, using isk cost as a factor when trying to balance weapons is very unfair on the majority of the playerbase (but its all good for the guys who abused PC mechanics for unlimited isk).
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5329	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:57:00 - [32] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule. Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception. For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant. And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one. The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower. 100% counter-able. Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. Once you learn to use it the assault forge is most certainly far superior to the standard. An accurate assault forge user can deal as much damage as a standard in about half the time, I totally agree that this weapon should cost more isk because it is simply better. However there shouldn't be variations of weapons that are just better, that's called lack of game balance. Also since about 5% of players (the ones involved in PC) have unlimited isk and the other 95% are totally broke, using isk cost as a factor when trying to balance weapons is very unfair on the majority of the playerbase (but its all good for the guys who abused PC mechanics for unlimited isk). Well I know what you mean. But im talkign of the weapon as a raw weapon not considering the Skill of the player with the weapon at hand. I'll put it this way. It would make more sense to pay 77k for the Viziam Imperia SCR and 45k for the Carthum ASCR than the other way around. And except the AFG ; it applies for most other weapons. Stealth Storm
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:02:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Please do not use bold text for entire posts. No. I like his style.
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5333	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:05:00 - [34] - Quote hold that wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Please do not use bold text for entire posts. No. I like his style. Thank you friend. Here have a free treat. +1 Stealth Storm
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1052	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:06:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR................. It is though. Nearly double the damage per shot and can fire as fast as you can tap the trigger. Don't even get me started with the ridiculous recoil they have(It's the only gun in the game that you actually have to fight).The AScR is only good for hitting a bunch of reds to rack up assists Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 143	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:12:00 - [36] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: +1
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.18 11:54:00 - [37] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: True Adamance wrote: I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR................. It is though. Nearly double the damage per shot and can fire as fast as you can tap the trigger. Don't even get me started with the ridiculous recoil they have(It's the only gun in the game that you actually have to fight).The AScR is only good for hitting a bunch of reds to rack up assists ide like to note that the recoil isnt actually recoil at all but a graphic effect that does NOT effect accuracy...but i still say the ascr is weakest of the two. thats like the difference between assault rr and rr...why use assault? you can take the standard (long range rr to the same assault ranges..and outperform the assault rr... same can be said for scr over ascr swarms over assault swarms ...and i dont really think in the case of the rifles at least lowering the alternate variants..will bring them back. we may see more just because they are affordable..but it still wont make the assault variants viable within their fields..wont stop the stnd variants from out performing assault variants...oh ccp going in and fixing the issues with the variants that are useless no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 555	Posted - 2014.07.18 14:28:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Please do not use bold text for entire posts. Please do not act as though you're running this ****. Now, go back to your juvenile scribblings and bad grammar. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 277	Posted - 2014.07.18 15:58:00 - [39] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Them costing more makes sense. Its the race trying to alter their tech to mimic another races rifle. For instance, the AScR is mimicking the AR, and so is more expensive to produce, lore wise. However, they definitely should not cost almost twice as much. Maybe 10% more than their originals, at the highest. I agree that a small cost premium over the standard variant makes sense, but the current margin is too large. -Aramis
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5669	Posted - 2014.07.18 16:04:00 - [40] - Quote All variants should lower prices, not just proto pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè

The Eristic Dust 90210 573	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:04:00 - [41] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: All variants should lower prices, not just proto Yep, and we still need standard level variants of everything at Op II. I freaking hate having to spend 20k+ to put a dodgy Burst AR on a basic suit intended for screwing around. It would make the game more diverse for lower SP/isk players, too, which is a good thing. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5347	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:01:00 - [42] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: All variants should lower prices, not just proto Yep, and we still need standard level variants of everything at Op II. I freaking hate having to spend 20k+ to put a dodgy Burst AR on a basic suit intended for screwing around. It would make the game more diverse for lower SP/isk players, too, which is a good thing. That is also part of the idea of course. Stealth Storm


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