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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.16 13:23:00 -
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The rate of fire on the ScR is 705.9RPM. This is beyond human limitations and only achievable using a turbo controller or mouse macros.
You can plug a turbo controller in and see for yourself - it gives you a 800DPS fully automatic long range rifle. Combined with a turbo controller the scrambler is an absurdly overpowered weapon. It makes a mockery of otherwise effective recent attempts to achieve a DPS/range trade-off - it has near twice the DPS and range of an AR, for instance.
I suggest that you remove this exploit by bringing the ScR RoF down to humanly achievable levels. Somewhere around 500RPM would remove the turbo controller advantage without impacting non-turbo users, as they can not exceed this RoF anyway. For more discussion see here. |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:47:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:isnt the scramblers dps that high because it has less than half the endurance of other weapons and what about the combat rifle or the plasma rifle with an auto fire controller, arnt they just as bad?
As my edit to the OP says, the 'endurance' (as you put it) is higher for a turbo controller than it is for a non-turbo ScR - 16 shots without turbo, 18 with. So endurance/heat build up is another reason to reduce RoF.
A regular plasma rifle (AR) gets no DPS benefit from a turbo controller because it's an automatic weapon.
Turbo+Tactical AR was abused greatly at the start of Uprising, when the RoF was much higher. But the TAR's RoF is now low enough (500RPM) that there's no significant benefit to using a turbo controller.
In testing on an alt with my cheap -ú5 turbo controller I was unable to get the combat rifle or burst AR to fire any more quickly than I can fire them using an ordinary DS3. I think this is because the gap between bursts is long enough that a human can do as well as a turbo controller. Remember, for each CR trigger pull, three rounds are fired at a rate of 1200RPM, then there is a burst delay equivalent to 1000RPM (see here). This process takes the CR below 500 bursts per second, so a human can do as well as a turbo controller.
Turbo controllers definitely give a much bigger benefit to the Scrambler Rifle than they do to any other rifle, because it is the only non-automatic weapon that responds to trigger speeds significantly greater than 500 pulls per minute. |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
EDIT - You'll notice from the video that turbo also seems to decrease heat build up. The player gets 18 shots off with turbo and 16 without. This is the opposite of how it should work - more shots per second should mean more heat build up. Probably it is a result of the extremely high RoF breaking the intended heat build up mechanics. If so, a lower RoF would deal with the heat build up issue as well as the DPS issue.
Like the Laser Rifle, the Scrambler Rifle's heat sink is based on "Heat Cost per Second"; as opposed to "Heat Cost per Shot" like the 20/80GJ Railguns. How long it takes you to overheat is completely dependent on how fast you can spam R1,
Seems a plausible explanation of how a turbo controller enables you to avoid the heat build up suffered by DS3 users. |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.16 17:58:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:with 18 shots thats still only 1.5 seconds of sustained fire with a hefty lockup afterwards, even with an autofire pad i still dont see a problem.
if it could sustain fire for as long as an plasma rifle then it would be op
18 shots is 1287HP, which is plenty. |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:14:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:why would you want a full auto ScR that over heats?
Maybe because it does more shots before overheat than the non-exploit (semi-auto) version? While doing double the DPS of equivalent weapons?
Still waiting for those blue tags... |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:05:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:ugg reset wrote:why would you want a full auto ScR that over heats? Maybe because it does more shots before overheat than the non-exploit (semi-auto) version? While doing double the DPS of equivalent weapons? Still waiting for those blue tags... if doing 1287 damage over the time it takes to discharge 18 rounds and then wait for lockup to finish or cool down, takes about 5 or 6 seconds i dont think u will get blue tags.
You can let go of the button after the penultimate shot and you'll still have got one or two more shots off than the non-exploit version at a much higher DPS. You really think 840DPS using full auto out to 70m+ is the time to kill Rattati had in mind?
I can't say for sure that a blue tag will come, but there seems to be a renewed interest in game balance since Rattati took over so I thought I'd give it a go. |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:24:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:if all you look at is the dps then yes it does look op, over the course of 5 to 6 seconds however its lower than the other rifles.
since its all i use i am biased :) so peace
Reducing RPM to 500-550 will only make a difference to you if you use a turbo controller. In testing a while back Rei Shepard, an expert ScR user (as anyone who's played him can attest), was able to achieve 495RPM using a mouse; other users report much lower maximum fire rates. I doubt even 450RPM is possible with a DS3. There really is no reason for ScR users who don't use turbo to object to 500-550 RPM. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:02:00 -
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BUMP because this still didn't get fixed and there's a new thread about it (among other things). |
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