DUST Search - HMG Targeting and Hit Detection Question.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Master Jaraiya wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Master Jaraiya wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Roll

Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits.

CR can only do that at proto, and thats at the minimum range listed

ScR would be good if it didn't require 6 overheats to take a sentinel down at that range

SR can't kill heavies. I don't know if that was a joke or what.

AR? You're forgetting an entire rifle class

Are you purposefully trying to derail my thread dude? Stay on topic please.

How is this derailing?

You're trying to argue with me, and I'm giving counterexamples about why you are wrong.

If there really is a reticle problem, fix it.

Ill have to test though.

Currently the only weapon that needs a reticle rework is the SG. At Ops V, it doesn't even fill most of the reticle with the spread. I think the reduced spread is good, as it allows you to land more shots on target, but it needs to be toned down or the reticle reduced to compensate.

^^That is how you make a thread for something like this. Good job though including the video, though i believe it is irrelevant now. If you capture another, Im sure people would love to see it.

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Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1486	Posted - 2014.07.16 10:56:00 - [1] - Quote Dear CCP, If you can remember, prior to Uprising 1.4 many of us veteran heavies had noticed something "off" about the HMG. Several threads and support tickets were created, and a video was eventually made (linked in original thread below) before it was decided that, indeed, the HMG was not operating as intended. Thread with Video My thread in Feedback The HMG is back to operating exactly like in the video, the only difference being it has a new Reticule. Honestly, the new reticule just pisses me off more when bunny hopping, uberstrafing, speed tanked Mercs are dancing in a hail of HMG bullets, but take absolutely no damage unless the tiny, barely visible dot in the center touches the target, lighting an orange crosshair. Did you really think nobody would notice? "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 332	Posted - 2014.07.16 11:02:00 - [2] - Quote Hmmm interesting. I thought this was just me. Not to say I always noticed it but I did notice it once or twice. Of course, more games played and I didn't bother to check again. So the HMG has become the blaster? Will you be making a video about this?
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1488	Posted - 2014.07.16 11:05:00 - [3] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Hmmm interesting. I thought this was just me. Not to say I always noticed it but I did notice it once or twice. Of course, more games played and I didn't bother to check again. So the HMG has become the blaster? Will you be making a video about this? I unfortunately do not have the ability to make a video of it. Maybe someone else from the community could lend a hand. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 332	Posted - 2014.07.16 11:08:00 - [4] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Hmmm interesting. I thought this was just me. Not to say I always noticed it but I did notice it once or twice. Of course, more games played and I didn't bother to check again. So the HMG has become the blaster? Will you be making a video about this? I unfortunately do not have the ability to make a video of it. Maybe someone else from the community could lend a hand. That would be great. If I had the capabilities, I would definitely film and upload it. I will be monitoring this in my game sessions today.
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1488	Posted - 2014.07.16 11:25:00 - [5] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Hmmm interesting. I thought this was just me. Not to say I always noticed it but I did notice it once or twice. Of course, more games played and I didn't bother to check again. So the HMG has become the blaster? Will you be making a video about this? I unfortunately do not have the ability to make a video of it. Maybe someone else from the community could lend a hand. That would be great. If I had the capabilities, I would definitely film and upload it. I will be monitoring this in my game sessions today. All I really want is for CCP to decide what they want the HMG to be: A sniper accurate Ultra High DPS Short - Mid Range Weapon OR A Very inaccurate Ultra High RoF Short - Mid Range Bullet Hose that only does its full amount of DPS in Point Blank Range It just simply cant be both. It can't look like one and act like the other. If I am doing my full DPS in the center, fix the animations to match. Don't show me a bunch of bullets spraying all around the target if they don't and never will do damage to anything, its confusing. Fix the reticule too, while you're at it, it should look like a combination of the Forge Gun and Lazor Rifle reticules (orange crosshairs appearing as they are now would be perfect on this. If I am spraying my full DPS in a cone the size of my targeting reticule (as I always thought the HMG was supposed to do) then please, whatever you did on or after 1.4 to fix this please do it again. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1428	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:04:00 - [6] - Quote So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1489	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:06:00 - [7] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... No, I'm telling CCP that the HMG either needs updated animations and a new reticule, or a bug fix. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1428	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:08:00 - [8] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... No, I'm telling CCP that the HMG either needs updated animations and a new reticule, or a bug fix. When I use it, it seems more than fine. I don't even have to aim, i just hold down R1 and try to control the rise on it, while i let auto-aim track strafers. The key is to counter strafe and let auto aim do the work for you "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1490	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:12:00 - [9] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1428	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:14:00 - [10] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits. CR can only do that at proto, and thats at the minimum range listed ScR would be good if it didn't require 6 overheats to take a sentinel down at that range SR can't kill heavies. I don't know if that was a joke or what. AR? You're forgetting an entire rifle class "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand

Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1490	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:15:00 - [11] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... No, I'm telling CCP that the HMG either needs updated animations and a new reticule, or a bug fix. When I use it, it seems more than fine. I don't even have to aim, i just hold down R1 and try to control the rise on it, while i let auto-aim track strafers. The key is to counter strafe and let auto aim do the work for you Bahahahahahah You are trying to tell me that a weapon is too easy to use, but you use auto aim lmmfao /facepalm No, no I don't use auto aim. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1490	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:17:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits. CR can only do that at proto, and thats at the minimum range listed ScR would be good if it didn't require 6 overheats to take a sentinel down at that range SR can't kill heavies. I don't know if that was a joke or what. AR? You're forgetting an entire rifle class Are you purposefully trying to derail my thread dude? Stay on topic please. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1429	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:22:00 - [13] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits. CR can only do that at proto, and thats at the minimum range listed ScR would be good if it didn't require 6 overheats to take a sentinel down at that range SR can't kill heavies. I don't know if that was a joke or what. AR? You're forgetting an entire rifle class Are you purposefully trying to derail my thread dude? Stay on topic please. How is this derailing? You're trying to argue with me, and I'm giving counterexamples about why you are wrong. If there really is a reticle problem, fix it. Ill have to test though. Currently the only weapon that needs a reticle rework is the SG. At Ops V, it doesn't even fill most of the reticle with the spread. I think the reduced spread is good, as it allows you to land more shots on target, but it needs to be toned down or the reticle reduced to compensate. ^^That is how you make a thread for something like this. Good job though including the video, though i believe it is irrelevant now. If you capture another, Im sure people would love to see it. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 487	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:36:00 - [14] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits. CR can only do that at proto, and thats at the minimum range listed ScR would be good if it didn't require 6 overheats to take a sentinel down at that range SR can't kill heavies. I don't know if that was a joke or what. AR? You're forgetting an entire rifle class CR can easily kill from 70m. If you're taking six overheats to kill with a ScR you're doing it wrong, Amarr assault or no. SR has no issues killing heavies. The problem is usually finding one willing to stay still long enough. But the odds of the heavy coming to get you are slim to none, so you're totally safe. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:37:00 - [15] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: So you're telling me that the HMG is currently too hard to aim and kill with.... Furthermore, If I can get close enough to anyone with my HMG to shoot them with it, while they are wielding a RR or CR or ScrR or SR or any of the other various and sundry Light infantry weapons which are more than capable of cutting down even the most Brick tanked Heavy from 70 - 90 m away, then you, good sir, deserve to get shredded to bits. CR can only do that at proto, and thats at the minimum range listed ScR would be good if it didn't require 6 overheats to take a sentinel down at that range SR can't kill heavies. I don't know if that was a joke or what. AR? You're forgetting an entire rifle class Are you purposefully trying to derail my thread dude? Stay on topic please. How is this derailing? You're trying to argue with me, and I'm giving counterexamples about why you are wrong. If there really is a reticle problem, fix it. Ill have to test though. Currently the only weapon that needs a reticle rework is the SG. At Ops V, it doesn't even fill most of the reticle with the spread. I think the reduced spread is good, as it allows you to land more shots on target, but it needs to be toned down or the reticle reduced to compensate. ^^That is how you make a thread for something like this. Good job though including the video, though i believe it is irrelevant now. If you capture another, Im sure people would love to see it. Its derailing because you are just talking about how its so easy to use (insinuating anyone who uses the HMG has no skill) just like you did in your thread. You're more than entitled to your opinions, as am I to mine, this thread was never about "does the HMG kill too easy" or your butthurt over getting shredded by Heavies. This thread was about the previous problem with the HMG that was fully acknowledged by CCP, fixed, then reskinned and reimplemented for whatever reason. Your counter examples are bogus anyway. I have Proficiency 2 in ScrR and Heavies are no problem. SR (Sniper Rifles) Kill Heavies all day long dude! Do you even look at the kill feed. LOL Are you just trolling me? CR ok yea, you're right, not so much, but bring it in to 60 m and you have a melted heavy. The AR is also quite effective at stripping Heavies of flesh, though not quite so quickly at 70 m, but I did say "other...light infantry weapons...", leaving others free to add in their own favorite weapon for outranging the HMG. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:39:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: ^^That is how you make a thread for something like this. Good job though including the video, though i believe it is irrelevant now. If you capture another, Im sure people would love to see it. Oh, thank you for your expert lesson in making a very informative and expository thread on weapon target reticule mechanichs. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 739	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:38:00 - [17] - Quote ill do some testing and get a video up. though it may be an hour and a half before i get it up.. school run. he is indeed correct uploading video soon. i have done a simple test using the resupply depot. i will do further testing later but i have stuff to do right now. i will post the link soon the video is uploading then i have to run out.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 739	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:52:00 - [18] - Quote http://youtu.be/9gSNARTjkeI simple test further testing will be done later. i also didnt have the time to explain whats going on. further testing via faction warfare and a willing victim required.
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1494	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:54:00 - [19] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: ill do some testing and get a video up. though it may be an hour and a half before i get it up.. school run. he is indeed correct uploading video soon. i have done a simple test using the resupply depot. i will do further testing later but i have stuff to do right now. i will post the link soon the video is uploading then i have to run out. Thanks! If you need help with the testing HMU in game later on. I'll probably be on around 5 ish (US) Central Time "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 739	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:59:00 - [20] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: boba's fetta wrote: ill do some testing and get a video up. though it may be an hour and a half before i get it up.. school run. he is indeed correct uploading video soon. i have done a simple test using the resupply depot. i will do further testing later but i have stuff to do right now. i will post the link soon the video is uploading then i have to run out. Thanks! If you need help with the testing HMU in game later on. I'll probably be on around 5 ish (US) Central Time i do require a willing victim to prove it isnt doing damage. as i cant prove it with a supply depot. what time eve time will you be on? (ill be back in 30 school run time)

Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1494	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:59:00 - [21] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/9gSNARTjkeI simple test further testing will be done later. i also didnt have the time to explain whats going on. Thanks! Not sure if you noticed, but as I suspected, no target info is displayed until the center dot of the reticule is touching the target. Then begins to fade after the center of the reticule leaves the target, though the "spray cone" outline ring still incorporates the Depot. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1494	Posted - 2014.07.16 14:01:00 - [22] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: boba's fetta wrote: ill do some testing and get a video up. though it may be an hour and a half before i get it up.. school run. he is indeed correct uploading video soon. i have done a simple test using the resupply depot. i will do further testing later but i have stuff to do right now. i will post the link soon the video is uploading then i have to run out. Thanks! If you need help with the testing HMU in game later on. I'll probably be on around 5 ish (US) Central Time i do require a willing victim to prove it isnt doing damage. as i cant prove it with a supply depot. what time eve time will you be on? (ill be back in 30 school run time) Probably around 2200 ish or 10:00 GMT "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 739	Posted - 2014.07.16 14:39:00 - [23] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/9gSNARTjkeI simple test further testing will be done later. i also didnt have the time to explain whats going on. Thanks! Not sure if you noticed, but as I suspected, no target info is displayed until the center dot of the reticule is touching the target. Then begins to fade after the center of the reticule leaves the target, though the "spray cone" outline ring still incorporates the Depot. no problem thanks for mentioning it i knew something was wrong but couldnt quite get what it was.. i should be on at 10. i also hadnt noticed the lack of intel. i didnt excalty pay much attension wanted to get the video up as quickly as i could to shed some light on the matter. ill leave the disecting to brighter people =) i have also edited the video to provide credit to yourself for the find.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3572	Posted - 2014.07.16 14:57:00 - [24] - Quote Wait what? They gone back to the previous HMG mechanic where its laser accurate? Ok everybody time to get the assaults and scouts out and dance infront of a heavy again with a scrambler pistol.
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1495	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:13:00 - [25] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Wait what? They gone back to the previous HMG mechanic where its laser accurate? Ok everybody time to get the assaults and scouts out and dance infront of a heavy again with a scrambler pistol. Fine, I'll just start running My Commando with a ScrR and ACR. Come at me bruh! "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 780	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:58:00 - [26] - Quote Just ran a small test and this is NOT the case. Will have the raw feed up shortly and will see about getting an edited version up as well. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1496	Posted - 2014.07.16 16:03:00 - [27] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Just ran a small test and this is NOT the case. Will have the raw feed up shortly and will see about getting an edited version up as well. Eh, Idk man, lets see that video. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 741	Posted - 2014.07.16 16:10:00 - [28] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Just ran a small test and this is NOT the case. Will have the raw feed up shortly and will see about getting an edited version up as well. dont edit just post. we have seen evidence to suggest this is the case. if you have something that prove's it wrong we would like to see it. again my own testing isnt complete.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10550	Posted - 2014.07.16 16:13:00 - [29] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: I unfortunately do not have the ability to make a video of it. Maybe someone else from the community could lend a hand. I know Arkena Wyrnspire has a capture card, and he's in your corp so you should see if he wouldn't mind lending a hand. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1497	Posted - 2014.07.16 16:20:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: I unfortunately do not have the ability to make a video of it. Maybe someone else from the community could lend a hand. I know Arkena Wyrnspire has a capture card, and he's in your corp so you should see if he wouldn't mind lending a hand. Decent guy he is. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*



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