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RendonaSix
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:59:00 -
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Just buff the amarr scout. I don't want my suit becoming fotm as it will end up nerfed.
"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
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Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
460
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:11:00 -
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Have you people even looked at the numbers? Am scout will not become fotm because it can not permascan everything like the current cal can. It only has 2 highs can only reach 18 dab meaning All scouts can beat it if they sacrifice and heavily damp. Cal still has 4 highs for precision and can reach a similar precision if it wants. Cal is getting mega range 10% per lvl and dampening bonus.
Gal logi with a focused scanner will be the strongest scan now. This is a good thing because it's equipment. Must be used. Has a cooldown. Gives warning that you have been scanned. All scouts can beat this scanner now too but must dedicate their lows to damps and have a proto cloak. Actual balance
Current cal gets ultra scanning(only completely dedicated gal proto scout could hide) , can hide from All scouts except itself crazy shield regen and shield totals with no speed penalty.
Couple that with shared passives 3 heavys and. 2 logis nd cal was way too op.
The new numbers look really good and only former assaults who jumped to scout and whiny little ***** cals are crying
Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
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RendonaSix
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:15:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:Have you people even looked at the numbers? Am scout will not become fotm because it can not permascan everything like the current cal can. It only has 2 highs can only reach 18 dab meaning All scouts can beat it if they sacrifice and heavily damp. Cal still has 4 highs for precision and can reach a similar precision if it wants. Cal is getting mega range 10% per lvl and dampening bonus.
Gal logi with a focused scanner will be the strongest scan now. This is a good thing because it's equipment. Must be used. Has a cooldown. Gives warning that you have been scanned. All scouts can beat this scanner now too but must dedicate their lows to damps and have a proto cloak. Actual balance
Current cal gets ultra scanning(only completely dedicated gal proto scout could hide) , can hide from All scouts except itself crazy shield regen and shield totals with no speed penalty.
Couple that with shared passives 3 heavys and. 2 logis nd cal was way too op.
The new numbers look really good and only former assaults who jumped to scout and whiny little ***** cals are crying
No iv not seen the numbers. I thought they were giving the amarr scout the cal bonus.
I run proto amarr scout and assault, not cal anything except knives and the RR sometimes.
"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2971
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:35:00 -
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What's changing for the GalScout? Can someone direct me to the spreadsheet for proposed changes? |
Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
462
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:44:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:What's changing for the GalScout? Can someone direct me to the spreadsheet for proposed changes?
Head to the features section of the forum and look at the thread for scout wear changes in Charlie. Cheers
Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2821
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:14:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:
No iv not seen the numbers.
Step 1) Look at the numbers
Step 2) Weigh in with your opinion
Pro Tip: Don't mix up these two simple steps.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2230
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:36:00 -
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nothing should of been nerfed.
Just assault suits made relevant and put into the balance equation like everyone warned CCP long before 1.8 was implemented.
Sadly Rattati was left with the crap job of getting through the bullshit and making it work now.
Right now the Caldari scout and Gallente scout have obsoleted the Assault class.. Not because they are godly suits. But because the Assault suits are just that bad and have been getting worse for 7-8 months.
Rattati's main challenge is making the Assault class relevant but not make them a giant FOTM. CCP has never been able to do it yet. |
Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:49:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:nothing should of been nerfed.
Just assault suits made relevant and put into the balance equation like everyone warned CCP long before 1.8 was implemented.
Sadly Rattati was left with the crap job of getting through the bullshit and making it work now.
Right now the Caldari scout and Gallente scout have obsoleted the Assault class.. Not because they are godly suits. But because the Assault suits are just that bad and have been getting worse for 7-8 months.
Rattati's main challenge is making the Assault class relevant but not make them a giant FOTM. CCP has never been able to do it yet.
"Nothing should have been nerfed" is hard to explain to the people who die to different suits and think those suits are OP. Those same people actually lack the gun game, awareness, skill and anticipation to take em out and adapt to different playing styles. That's why most good players skill into different suits and modules first instead of all the weapons and build a fit around a chosen suit and not around a weapon.
P.S. I totally agree with you. |
Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
767
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:52:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Bethhy wrote:nothing should of been nerfed.
Just assault suits made relevant and put into the balance equation like everyone warned CCP long before 1.8 was implemented.
Sadly Rattati was left with the crap job of getting through the bullshit and making it work now.
Right now the Caldari scout and Gallente scout have obsoleted the Assault class.. Not because they are godly suits. But because the Assault suits are just that bad and have been getting worse for 7-8 months.
Rattati's main challenge is making the Assault class relevant but not make them a giant FOTM. CCP has never been able to do it yet. "Nothing should have been nerfed" is hard to explain to the people who die to different suits and think those suits are OP. Those same people actually lack the gun game, awareness, skill and anticipation to take em out and adapt to different playing styles. That's why most good players skill into different suits and modules first instead of all the weapons and build a fit around a chosen suit and not around a weapon. P.S. I totally agree with you.
Agreed Jack.
Too many players want to use the same suit and fit all the time and cry when someone counters them. These are the same type of players that scream something is OP because they never try to properly counter anything.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3065
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:53:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Have you people even looked at the numbers? Am scout will not become fotm because it can not permascan everything like the current cal can. It only has 2 highs can only reach 18 dab meaning All scouts can beat it if they sacrifice and heavily damp. Cal still has 4 highs for precision and can reach a similar precision if it wants. Cal is getting mega range 10% per lvl and dampening bonus.
Gal logi with a focused scanner will be the strongest scan now. This is a good thing because it's equipment. Must be used. Has a cooldown. Gives warning that you have been scanned. All scouts can beat this scanner now too but must dedicate their lows to damps and have a proto cloak. Actual balance
Current cal gets ultra scanning(only completely dedicated gal proto scout could hide) , can hide from All scouts except itself crazy shield regen and shield totals with no speed penalty.
Couple that with shared passives 3 heavys and. 2 logis nd cal was way too op.
The new numbers look really good and only former assaults who jumped to scout and whiny little ***** cals are crying No iv not seen the numbers. I thought they were giving the amarr scout the cal bonus. I run proto amarr scout and assault, not cal anything except knives and the RR sometimes.
If you haven't seen the numbers you have no right to complain about them.
The changes are well deserved, cal scouts will no longer perma scan yet, amarr scouts become very good at close ramge scanning.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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RendonaSix
Inner.Hell
97
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:01:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:RendonaSix wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Have you people even looked at the numbers? Am scout will not become fotm because it can not permascan everything like the current cal can. It only has 2 highs can only reach 18 dab meaning All scouts can beat it if they sacrifice and heavily damp. Cal still has 4 highs for precision and can reach a similar precision if it wants. Cal is getting mega range 10% per lvl and dampening bonus.
Gal logi with a focused scanner will be the strongest scan now. This is a good thing because it's equipment. Must be used. Has a cooldown. Gives warning that you have been scanned. All scouts can beat this scanner now too but must dedicate their lows to damps and have a proto cloak. Actual balance
Current cal gets ultra scanning(only completely dedicated gal proto scout could hide) , can hide from All scouts except itself crazy shield regen and shield totals with no speed penalty.
Couple that with shared passives 3 heavys and. 2 logis nd cal was way too op.
The new numbers look really good and only former assaults who jumped to scout and whiny little ***** cals are crying No iv not seen the numbers. I thought they were giving the amarr scout the cal bonus. I run proto amarr scout and assault, not cal anything except knives and the RR sometimes. If you haven't seen the numbers you have no right to complain about them. The changes are well deserved, cal scouts will no longer perma scan yet, amarr scouts become very good at close ramge scanning.
Haha, as someone who runs the suit that's getting changed, who the fk are you?.
I was told by someone who is usually reliable that the cal bonus was going to amarr. This person is usually 100% accurate.
Nice assumptions all around, well done guys.
"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
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RendonaSix
Inner.Hell
97
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:02:00 -
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Inb4iassumed, be gone scrotes.
"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2597
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:19:00 -
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Here is the problem.
2 scout races had roles that were usable.
2 got left behind.
In order to make ALL scout suits viable in competitive and public play, these changes needed to happen.
Rattati had to deal with constraints of a crappy ewar system that cannot be easily changed, like shared scanning, and made the best changes he could.
Amarr will get precision and stamina.
Caldari get range and dampening
Gallente get dampening and precision
Minmatar get hacking and knives.
The reason that cal and gal get the bonuses they do is because of a restrictive slot layout, so that they are still encouraged to use something in the lower slot count side that is ewar beneficial without being gimped by the low slot count.
It is very balanced against all sides.
Now scouts will be forced by Amarr and Gal Logi Focused Scanners to fill up slots with EWAR instead of tank, and FOTM scouts will be less of a problem.
This also gives more room for assaults, who will also be getting a buff that I hope is as well rounded and effective as the scout changes seem to be.
This is how a minja feels
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pegasis prime
PROTO WOLVES
1791
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Posted - 2014.07.15 19:29:00 -
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Ach after the removal of the precision scan my Cko scout will see everythingabove 8 db at 52 m so heck ill still be able to play as I am but with a bit more dampening.
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3067
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:12:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:RendonaSix wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Have you people even looked at the numbers? Am scout will not become fotm because it can not permascan everything like the current cal can. It only has 2 highs can only reach 18 dab meaning All scouts can beat it if they sacrifice and heavily damp. Cal still has 4 highs for precision and can reach a similar precision if it wants. Cal is getting mega range 10% per lvl and dampening bonus.
Gal logi with a focused scanner will be the strongest scan now. This is a good thing because it's equipment. Must be used. Has a cooldown. Gives warning that you have been scanned. All scouts can beat this scanner now too but must dedicate their lows to damps and have a proto cloak. Actual balance
Current cal gets ultra scanning(only completely dedicated gal proto scout could hide) , can hide from All scouts except itself crazy shield regen and shield totals with no speed penalty.
Couple that with shared passives 3 heavys and. 2 logis nd cal was way too op.
The new numbers look really good and only former assaults who jumped to scout and whiny little ***** cals are crying No iv not seen the numbers. I thought they were giving the amarr scout the cal bonus. I run proto amarr scout and assault, not cal anything except knives and the RR sometimes. If you haven't seen the numbers you have no right to complain about them. The changes are well deserved, cal scouts will no longer perma scan yet, amarr scouts become very good at close ramge scanning. Haha, as someone who runs the suit that's getting changed, who the fk are you?. I was told by someone who is usually reliable that the cal bonus was going to amarr. This person is usually 100% accurate. Nice assumptions all around, well done guys.
Yes very nice assumptions on your part.
Hotfix Charlie wrote:Modification of scout bonuses, with Amarr getting a precision bonus, a low radius strong field of scanning on top of a heavily armored suit, and Caldari retaining a long range scan ability.
Incase you don't realise, this means caldari is loosing 1/2 it's bonus. You still have the ultra wide scans, but your prescsion will be undoubtedly higher, meaning more suits will pass undetected unless you are prepared to sacrifice your tank. BALANCE.
Amarr on the other hand are recieving that 1/2 so they have shorter range scanning at much higher prescsion. If you want a better scan radius you must sacrifice your main tank. BALANCE.
So once again, no the caldari are not loosing ALL of their bonuses, only half and yes it is being given to the Amarr.
Scouts will no longer be capable of avoiding a Focused Scanner unless they are cloaked.
Please do not base your feedback of hearsay and word of mouth it's very easy to only get half a picture and make a fool of yourself.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3591
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:14:00 -
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Nerf it.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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