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edguy 111
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:31:00 -
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geez i direct hit a heavy yesterday with a forge gun and he survive...it was using a lv4 assault fg with lv3 pro and the heavy i shot was a adv gallente sentinel. btw i finish him with my smg 
waaaazzaaaaa!
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
466
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:35:00 -
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I have an Amarr Assault with 1208 EHP.
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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SAIRAX SIS
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
108
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:36:00 -
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eHP were the ones obtained at the expense of other parts, eHP is no problem.
They have a lot of slots and CPU/PG, resist bonus, these are Excess.
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1731
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:54:00 -
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edguy 111 wrote:geez i direct hit a heavy yesterday with a forge gun and he survive...it was using a lv4 assault fg with lv3 pro and the heavy i shot was a adv gallente sentinel. btw i finish him with my smg
Your joking right. 0/10 fail. The heavy is point defense it supposed to be able take a lot of damage and dish it.
Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
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Vesperz
D3ATH CARD
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Posted - 2014.07.15 06:02:00 -
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Just shut up.
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.07.15 06:04:00 -
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edguy 111 wrote:geez i direct hit a heavy yesterday with a forge gun and he survive...it was using a lv4 assault fg with lv3 pro and the heavy i shot was a adv gallente sentinel. btw i finish him with my smg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
Max level brony.
My special magic is trolling.
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edguy 111
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:38:00 -
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but really you shoot anybody else they go flying across the map.you shoot a ds and he move with the shot but a heavy "hey wait we suppose to tank damage". bs,it a freaking forge gun it shoot a energy ball the size of a lav.
waaaazzaaaaa!
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Unidentified Caldarian
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:50:00 -
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Stop it. You're not funny. CCP bans my friend for "Trolling" but not you. Ridiculous.
calvin b wrote:
Your joking right. 0/10 fail. The heavy is point defense it supposed to be able take a lot of damage and dish it.
Yes but 1200 armor? I mean 800 armor is a lot if you know how to use it.
"Falsely misquoted in a bible..." - Jett Pezzin
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:36:00 -
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Unidentified Caldarian wrote:Stop it. You're not funny. CCP bans my friend for "Trolling" but not you. Ridiculous. calvin b wrote:
Your joking right. 0/10 fail. The heavy is point defense it supposed to be able take a lot of damage and dish it.
Yes but 1200 armor? I mean 800 armor is a lot if you know how to use it.
oh...
Max level brony.
My special magic is trolling.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
220
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:47:00 -
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On my brick tank proto I can easily push 1600-1700 ehp if I'm using plates (not reactive) and no rep mods. So it's not uncommon to survive a hit from a forge.
Also you need to factor in a few things: Resistances, Damage Reduction to Shields, Weapon Proficiency, Damage Increase to Armor, Direct Hit vs Splash Damage etc. etc.
As for having too much eHP someone stated before that the main role of a sentinel is point defense. Which is why we have the most eHP and best CQC weapon.
HOWEVER sentinels are notoriously slow when brick tanking. Yes it is not a good excuse for balance but it does make us a bit more vulnerable especially when crossing open fields. And as our most effective anti-infantry weapon has a max range efficient range of 30 meters (40 if using assault variant) we need to close the gap before we can do enough damage to count. So people with ranged weapons (ie. Combat Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Rail Rifle and sometimes Plasma Rifle) will have the advantage IF hey can keep us at ranges.
Also our turn rate with the HMG is slower than those with light weapons. So it is possible to gank us from behind with a shotgun. Just don't stand still or else you will die a horrible painful death when we manage to turn around.
So your argument of Sentinels having too much eHP is invalid.
Also this picture makes your argument invalid too.
Legionhares Unite!
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1703
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Posted - 2014.07.15 10:51:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c |
Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:13:00 -
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Yeah, heavies are supposed to be able to tank stuff but the resistances are a bit overkill. especially the splash damage resist. |
DontChimpOut
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:59:00 -
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"I can't destroy fast enough for my liking." = it must be nerfed |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1601
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:09:00 -
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The only problem is when these massively brick tanked heavies use an Lav to get around.
Delt for CPM1
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:55:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Yeah, heavies are supposed to be able to tank stuff but the resistances are a bit overkill. especially the splash damage resist.
Oh please.....if anything they need to be increased from 15/10% to 25/20% or so, after the brick tanking is fixed of course.
Max level brony.
My special magic is trolling.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:02:00 -
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scouts have to much eho and there shotty does to much dmg.
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Cornballs Get Stonewalled
906
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:25:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:Just shut up.
Thank you .
You had to be using a heavy suit to use a forge gun as well , so WTH are you talking about ?
That's like someone using a scout , while killing scouts and saying , " Scouts are too fast , they can flank too good and that cloak and shotgun  whoooooo . "
I mean , what's your point ?
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Cornballs Get Stonewalled
906
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:27:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:scouts have to much eho and there shotty does to much dmg.
^^^^^ This right here .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Cornballs Get Stonewalled
906
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:29:00 -
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JRleo jr wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Yeah, heavies are supposed to be able to tank stuff but the resistances are a bit overkill. especially the splash damage resist. Oh please.....if anything they need to be increased from 15/10% to 25/20% or so, after the brick tanking is fixed of course.
I agree , the splash resistance is overblown and not that good so it should be increased a little .
I can live with how they are though .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Cornballs Get Stonewalled
906
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:31:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:The only problem is when these massively brick tanked heavies use an Lav to get around.
That's why , if your in a squad ... have a swarmer with you and protect them like you would a Logi .
Swarms and anti-vehicle grenades end that with a job well done .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2230
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Posted - 2014.07.15 14:37:00 -
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:38:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/90BpnTA.png
Max level brony.
My special magic is trolling.
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Zindorak
CaUsE-4-CoNcErN
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:43:00 -
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edguy 111 wrote:geez i direct hit a heavy yesterday with a forge gun and he survive...it was using a lv4 assault fg with lv3 pro and the heavy i shot was a adv gallente sentinel. btw i finish him with my smg
hehehehe i laughed at this post. I have a better lets give scouts more hp because i can kill them too easy hows that jk |
Clone D
Grundstein Automation
552
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Posted - 2014.07.15 15:45:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:The only problem is when these massively brick tanked heavies use an Lav to get around.
There is one more problem: The fact that there are so many heavies that it is requiring much more ammo nowadays than ever before to survive on the field.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168243
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
473
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Posted - 2014.07.15 16:44:00 -
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He was probably using an photon sentinel suit. |
Will Driver
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:02:00 -
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You're complaining about not being able to 1-hit a Heavy with a Forge gun, even though you say you were able to finish the job with a SMG?
If you want to 1-hit your targets, go for easier pickings. Heavies are supposed to have high survivability.
Working as intended.
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:23:00 -
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Heavies are fine, its just their HMG that is the problem. It makes no sense that the basic HMG is almost as powerful if not the same as the proto HMG. |
Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1118
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:27:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Heavies are fine, its just their HMG that is the problem. It makes no sense that the basic HMG is almost as powerful if not the same as the proto HMG.
But that's pretty much how all the weapons are.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
38
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Posted - 2014.07.15 17:31:00 -
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Reducing eHP isn't the answer give forge gun a buff to armor
Eye of the Reaper
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1380
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:06:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:Just shut up.
Shutupshutupshutup you're going to even make them investigate this you fool!!!!
I want my win button!
If they fix the heavy because of you, idk what ill do!
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:10:00 -
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I see no problem here people. Move right along please
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1328
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:03:00 -
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This has been a thing for quite some time now. Only not many people forge gun and even less brick tank to withstand forge rounds.
Now let me say that I am ~mehh, I guess ok with this~ as a Forger myself - IF it is intended gameplay wise. However lets be clear, it's totally ridiculous and looks even more ridiculous when the round lands on target and he doesn't move an inch lol.
I'm thinking I need to take proficiency to level 5 then it should be enough to defeat any heavy with any forge but I could be wrong.
I will say this, you wont have that problem with a Breach Forge or an Assault Forge ;-) love the Gastuns too but I am very interested to see what CCP makes for the NEW officer Forge.
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Summ Dude
Direct Action Resources
407
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:18:00 -
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edguy 111 wrote:but really you shoot anybody else they go flying across the map.you shoot a ds and he move with the shot but a heavy "hey wait we suppose to tank damage". bs,it a freaking forge gun it shoot a energy ball the size of a lav.
Actually it shoots a hunk of metal super-charged with electromagnetic energy about the size of maybe a suitcase.
Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Winn Summ and lose Summ.
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lunatis orrak
Battlefield Brawlers
40
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:57:00 -
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edguy 111 wrote:geez i direct hit a heavy yesterday with a forge gun and he survive...it was using a lv4 assault fg with lv3 pro and the heavy i shot was a adv gallente sentinel. btw i finish him with my smg
I guess the only reason you posted this was you do not like not being able to troll every infantry unit on the field go cry me a river under your bridge.
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Vesperz
D3ATH CARD
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Posted - 2014.07.16 02:16:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vesperz wrote:Just shut up. Shutupshutupshutup you're going to even make them investigate this you fool!!!! I want my win button! If they fix the heavy because of you, idk what ill do!
Like I said many times, I don't have a problem with heavies, I'm a full time minmatar scout I either, outrange them with a CR/Scr Rifle or shotgun/remote/knife them when they're unsuspecting, OR run the **** away and just say "NOPE." I don't get why majority are so stupid that they think they can take a heavy 1 on 1 head on. Their HP is fine.
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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ASTROOKILL KWANNATANG
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.16 03:02:00 -
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Why Would You Even Think Such A Thing ? Theyre Big Slow And Heavy 800-1000+ Armour Is Fine Especially Against SGs :|
If The Enemy Is In Range , You Are Too
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1212
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Posted - 2014.07.16 03:06:00 -
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My heavy certainly doesn't have too much ehp.
But it does completely regen in about 7/8 secs and moves faster than most of my team.
Bricking a Min Heavy seems largely pointless
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ASTROOKILL KWANNATANG
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2014.07.16 03:39:00 -
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Right Also Looking At the Fact That It Has 390 AP And 500 SP stock
Tanker / Sniper / SG Scout / Explosives Scout / Heavy / Frontline / LAV Driver
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2158
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Posted - 2014.07.16 05:01:00 -
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edguy 111 wrote:geez i direct hit a heavy yesterday with a forge gun and he survive...it was using a lv4 assault fg with lv3 pro and the heavy i shot was a adv gallente sentinel. btw i finish him with my smg
I've been thinking they're just about perfect right now: if i'm stupid i die, if i'm smart and maybe a little bit lucky i can whittle him down and kill him with my Exile AR/Toxin smg, if he's a good heavy then taking him on solo is a wee bit foolish, but i can prolly keep him busy until backup arrives.
Smells like balance to me.
PSN: RationalSpark
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edguy 111
Never 2 Late
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Posted - 2014.07.16 07:26:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vesperz wrote:Just shut up. Shutupshutupshutup you're going to even make them investigate this you fool!!!! I want my win button! If they fix the heavy because of you, idk what ill do! Like I said many times, I don't have a problem with heavies, I'm a full time minmatar scout I either, outrange them with a CR/Scr Rifle or shotgun/remote/knife them when they're unsuspecting, OR run the **** away and just say "NOPE." I don't get why majority are so stupid that they think they can take a heavy 1 on 1 head on. Their HP is fine.
lol him a scout too and it the only good counter to heavies imo but play assault or logi and tell me they are fine  if it wasn't of heavies i would never play scout,i love my commando most but i always get killed 1 on 1
waaaazzaaaaa!
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