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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:55:00 -
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What would you guys feel if the loosing team of a PC match was given an ISK payout as well?
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The Noob Destroyer
993
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:02:00 -
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why should losers get anything? this is not elementary school where everyone gets a participation award so no one is left butthurt because they are not good for anything else.
Edit: Instead I vote that we stop this mentallity of participation awards and give people an incentive to improve and do better. Not pat you on the back and tell you that you did a good job for being ****. Maybe some carebears will think this is harsh but the world is harsh. Adapt or die. You can never adapt if your told that being **** is good enough.
Who am I?
I am just a nobody.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3887
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:27:00 -
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The Noob Destroyer wrote:why should losers get anything? this is not elementary school where everyone gets a participation award so no one is left butthurt because they are not good for anything else.
Edit: Instead I vote that we stop this mentallity of participation awards and give people an incentive to improve and do better. Not pat you on the back and tell you that you did a good job for being ****. Maybe some carebears will think this is harsh but the world is harsh. Adapt or die. You can never adapt if your told that being **** is good enough.
Except this isn't the world.
Normally I'd say no as well but this game needs to be more newb friendly, its not eve where the x amount of stuff to do for fun.
How about I apply my own logic in the fact that if this game had a subscription then there'd be less actual scrubs playing?.
Not nice is it?.
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Hynox Xitio
0uter.Heaven
1575
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:55:00 -
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The Noob Destroyer wrote:why should losers get anything? this is not elementary school where everyone gets a participation award so no one is left butthurt because they are not good for anything else.
Edit: Instead I vote that we stop this mentallity of participation awards and give people an incentive to improve and do better. Not pat you on the back and tell you that you did a good job for being ****. Maybe some carebears will think this is harsh but the world is harsh. Adapt or die. You can never adapt if your told that being **** is good enough.
Using irrelevant IRL views of masculinity to make imput on a video game about space marines.
lol
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1184
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:00:00 -
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I like the idea. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
2106
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:02:00 -
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No, PC is not supposed to be newb friendly
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The Noob Destroyer
995
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:03:00 -
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I guess you are right. PC is dead anyways. No point anymore lol. Competition must be noob friendly now. Pubs were ment for noobs but now anything remotely competitive in this game must turn into a carebear festival.
Maybe they should put a subscription on a dying game. Milk this game for all it's worth to fund legion. It is not like I already gave them CCP plenty of my money already.
Who am I?
I am just a nobody.
Like facts? #GetFacted!
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
916
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:05:00 -
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Atiim wrote:What would you guys feel if the loosing team of a PC match was given an ISK payout as well?
I've been advocating for this for awhile, actually.
One of the biggest mechanical blockades to doing this in the past was that it eases the cost of self-locking. Now that self-locking is essentially squashed out, it won't break the game to give the losing team a small part of the pot. The window is currently 30m ISK in clone goo from clone packs that can be given to the losers without the net movement being positive.
The winners of a match currently get 44mil net if ~220 clones are lost (an underestimate). 2.75mil/person. You can plug in your own suit cost, but basically you can die 10 times and make ISK.
I'd think someone around a quarter to a third of the winners' pool would be within the bounds of sustainable.
Of course if you do this you're assuming that the average cost of a suit lost in PC is greater than 200k or else PC becomes an ISK faucet rather than an ISK sink.
Mitigating a bit of risk for the losing team simply promotes more fights. I'd be against this kind of functionality in PC if there was any real expectation of seeing Fac War fixed in the same amount of time. Fac War was, to my mind, supposed to be the lower risk team-based arena with commensurate lower payouts. Team deploy, a proper rewards structures in FW, and a proper conquest simulation in PC...these are all things that aren't coming to Dust 514. Granted that, it makes perfect sense to develop PC into an easier place to get team-based fights. Otherwise Dust is just pub matches. >~>
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The Noob Destroyer
995
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:08:00 -
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Might as well take out buying drop suits. Make everything free.
everything you do.. no matter what you do makes isk! isk for everyone! yay isk! forget farming! lets earn our isk by being bad and losing in competitive matches!
Who am I?
I am just a nobody.
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
642
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:21:00 -
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Hmmm... When I am on the losing side, I'm usually out about 1 million ISK. When I am on the winning side I make about 1-3 million on average (13 Mil being my personal high). If payouts were to be given to the losers, then it should be an insulting amount, like less than a pub match. The scene in Young Frankenstein comes to mind where Dr. Frahnk-en-steen tells his assistant to give the human guinea pig an extra dollar for his troubles. 
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The Noob Destroyer
995
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:27:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:Hmmm... When I am on the losing side, I'm usually out about 1 million ISK. When I am on the winning side I make about 1-3 million on average (13 Mil being my personal high). If payouts were to be given to the losers, then it should be an insulting amount, like less than a pub match. The scene in Young Frankenstein comes to mind where Dr. Frahnk-en-steen tells his assistant to give the human guinea pig an extra dollar for his troubles.
You see I can agree with this.
1 isk troll amount haha.
Let us not start turning pc into pub matches where games don't matter. the one aspect of the game that could be considered competitive needs to have risk involved.
Who am I?
I am just a nobody.
Like facts? #GetFacted!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11856
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:40:00 -
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The Noob Destroyer wrote:why should losers get anything? this is not elementary school where everyone gets a participation award so no one is left butthurt because they are not good for anything else.
Edit: Instead I vote that we stop this mentallity of participation awards and give people an incentive to improve and do better. Not pat you on the back and tell you that you did a good job for being ****. Maybe some carebears will think this is harsh but the world is harsh. Adapt or die. You can never adapt if your told that being **** is good enough.
Yup this mentality you talk about is called NZQA or the New Zealand Qualifications Association.....
You get graded
Not Achieved, Achieved, Merit, Excellence...... you don't fail...you just don't achieve.....
In this case if you didn't win.... YOU damn well failed!
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
765
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:29:00 -
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The losing side still gets salvage at least. Maybe they should fight harder if they want those fat paychecks.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
1500
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Posted - 2014.07.15 06:39:00 -
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I don't want to see ISK payouts for losing teams. What I would like to see is payouts for the winners to scale drastically with gear destroyed. So you get little for winning vs. standard or in a no-show (50% less than at present, say), but loads for winning your typical all proto affair (50% more than at present, say).
At the moment even if you win a proto vs. proto fight the profit after suit expenses is usually so small you are barely ahead of where you'd be if you'd been grinding pubs the whole time instead of forming squads, waiting in barge, etc. That doesn't seem right for the supposed pinnacle of the game. |
TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3890
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:42:00 -
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Even from an elitist point of view, it'd be more people to farm.
You guys can't even be elitists properly!.
So it's a no for making the game more interesting and a no to farm people?.
Wtf do you guys want?, do you even know?.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3890
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:43:00 -
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Actually it don't matter, I think CCP made the right move with legion.
On console, people seem to demand less of everything but on PC, we like variety and options.
You are all communist hippies!.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3890
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:03:00 -
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The Noob Destroyer wrote:I guess you are right. PC is dead anyways. No point anymore lol. Competition must be noob friendly now. Pubs were ment for noobs but now anything remotely competitive in this game must turn into a carebear festival.
Maybe they should put a subscription on a dying game. Milk this game for all it's worth to fund legion. It is not like I already gave them CCP plenty of my money already.
You could have at least masqueraded as wanting to help the newbs, this means more fights and more isk while keeping newbs in the game and letting them think that they are having fun.
Win!.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3890
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:10:00 -
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The Noob Destroyer wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:Hmmm... When I am on the losing side, I'm usually out about 1 million ISK. When I am on the winning side I make about 1-3 million on average (13 Mil being my personal high). If payouts were to be given to the losers, then it should be an insulting amount, like less than a pub match. The scene in Young Frankenstein comes to mind where Dr. Frahnk-en-steen tells his assistant to give the human guinea pig an extra dollar for his troubles. You see I can agree with this. 1 isk troll amount haha. Let us not start turning pc into pub matches where games don't matter. the one aspect of the game that could be considered competitive needs to have risk involved.
Haha, corp battles seemed to matter more.
The space alone is worth nothing other than selling ammo to pirates to blow all the dusters sht up.
You just don't get it, hopefully legion will be done properly.
Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!.
This is unacceptable!.
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Random Redberry
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
114
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:14:00 -
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no why woud you paye losers that dumb ur dumb omg it not like good to paye loser
i got left as ceo what do? pls join
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