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Jadd Hatchen Kinda New here 619	Posted - 2014.07.16 19:54:00 - [1] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: what are you going to do about how far they can toss remotes? keep in mind with how hard they are to see already and how high they can jump and how fast they are, tossing remotes 10 meters almost undetected makes them OP... so they either need to be more easily detectable or the Frisbee mechanic needs a hard cap on how far they can be thrown. If you are routinely getting killed by killer frisbee's, then you REALLY need to invest in some situational awareness. No he is right. RE's are NOT supposed to be throwable. They are supposed to be a charge that you SET on the ground/wall/vehicle/ceiling/etc and then leave in place. NOT a grenade!!!! But that is also off topic...
Jadd Hatchen Kinda New here 619	Posted - 2014.07.16 19:58:00 - [2] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: what are you going to do about how far they can toss remotes? keep in mind with how hard they are to see already and how high they can jump and how fast they are, tossing remotes 10 meters almost undetected makes them OP... so they either need to be more easily detectable or the Frisbee mechanic needs a hard cap on how far they can be thrown. REs are equipment - they fit equipment slots. They should be placed, not thrown. If they are to be thrown like grenades, they should be moved to the grenade slot. ^^^^^ THIS!!!!! A hundred, thousand times this!
Jadd Hatchen Kinda New here 619	Posted - 2014.07.16 20:02:00 - [3] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: SAIRAX SIS wrote: i agree... Cal Scout is already best Assaulting scout. (High-Shield Recharge, No movement penalty by Shield Tanking, Small Hitbox) In addition, it's that offset by new bonus, (weaknesses low slot is small) it is ABSURD. CCP was reduced Dumpting bonus to say fits becomes easy, and reducing the scan radius does not match the role of each scout when nerf Gallen te scout !!! The first place, because Gal Scout is hiding suit, I do not know the meaning to get a half-hearted Scan Precision, and do not know why to get Profile Dumpting bonus on Cal Scout. Behavior Mismatch. why? And...Scout side Though it is mandatory measures, Gal Logi is fine only with a focus scanner. OP. SIGH Assault changes are coming. Remember that. Rattati will buff the assault to make it a better choice than the scouts ( I have full faith in him. Get some assault players together and make a thread. If you are diligent in trying to improve the suit, help will come) Anyways: Cal gets dampening to help it stay hidden and provide long range, low power scans. A single damp, and a single range amp will probably be the best combo. Cal scouts scanning your med frame too much? Run a damp. 1x Damp will make you invisible to any Cal Scan or Min Scan. I suspect most Cal scouts will run 2x shields and 2x Precision. This will let them pick up any med frame not running 3x damps. However, at this point, they only have 308 shields and 87 armor. Easy prey if you catch them. Gal scouts are getting a precision bonus to make up for loss of range. It also helps stop the dual tanking problem, encouraging people to not stack HP. They are harder to detect, but do not possess the strong scans of the amarr. They can buff range a bit easier, but amarr will still win in the eWAR fight. Gal on the other hand, will still be masters of dampening, due to the huge amount of low slots and CPU/PG. You will still be a strongly damped Gal scout. It'll just take 2x damps and a cloak. Combine with the 2x precision? Wow, look! Only two slots left for HP! Notice what's happening? Passive bonuses are less attractive. You must use modules to get the best mileage out of the suit, and this cuts down on HP stacking. MinScout no haz ewar? Just like the Minmatar EWAR ships in EVE, the Minmatar usually get shafted in the EWAR side of things... In EVE the Minmatar are supposed to get webbification array and laser targeting bonuses. But every race gets to have the web bonuses to certain classes of ships so that is not a Minmatar only thing. The laser targeting thing only works in tandem with another person, you light up the target and increase it's scan profile and then everyone else can see and do more damage to that target. No real equivalent in DUST right now. So I'm happy with the hacking and melee bonuses. Think of it as being able to hotwire vehicles faster than anyone else... ;)
Jadd Hatchen Kinda New here 619	Posted - 2014.07.16 20:14:00 - [4] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Are we still ignoring that shots can be fired from cloak? This was supposed to be fixed in alpha I believe? So much effort and time spent on scouts and we can't fix this one broken mechanic that was already discussed in great detail, and was promised even before cloaks came out that they would not be able to shoot from cloak? The rest of these mechanics are nice but the huge elephant in the room is the cheapness of an alpha cloaked first shot It really makes this game cheesy They "fixed" it exactly as they said they would, however it didn't solve the problem because they didn't realize that the "fix" was the wrong one... Basically we want a delay of 1or 2 seconds AFTER the cloaking graphics has finished running upon deactivation. Instead what they did (and this is from direct observation from when I play) was add a delay from when the cloak is deactivated until the next item of equipment/weapon can be used. However this does NOT take into account that the claking graphical effect may not have finished resolving itself on the victim's client side (this is the same issue of client vs. client point of view that they had with ships using jump gates in EVE prior to letting them all have a passive cloak upon jump in to let the jumper have enough time to sync up with the new system). So result is: cloaker: Has cloak active, runs up on target and presses button to ready weapon... target: Still sees cloaking effect... cloaker: Waits 1 or 2 seconds while delay is in effect... target: Still sees cloaking effect... cloaker: Finally gets to fire and does so... target: Finally sees end of cloaking effect, but also has received damage from the cloaker shooting but just doesn't know it yet... cloaker: Finishes off target. target: Begins reacting to the cloaker that is now fully visible and becomes frustrated as he's also now dead. This is is the sort of shoddy timing that also occurs with thrown RE's and other client to server to other client and back effects. This is why these types of things are complained about, because no matter what you do, they cannot be countered.
Jadd Hatchen Kinda New here 619	Posted - 2014.07.16 20:26:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: what are you going to do about how far they can toss remotes? keep in mind with how hard they are to see already and how high they can jump and how fast they are, tossing remotes 10 meters almost undetected makes them OP... so they either need to be more easily detectable or the Frisbee mechanic needs a hard cap on how far they can be thrown. If you are routinely getting killed by killer frisbee's, then you REALLY need to invest in some situational awareness. No he is right. RE's are NOT supposed to be throwable. They are supposed to be a charge that you SET on the ground/wall/vehicle/ceiling/etc and then leave in place. NOT a grenade!!!! But that is also off topic... Throw an RE, then throw a grenade. You will see a difference. The comparisons need to stop. So you admit that an RE can be thrown? At least admission of the problem is the first step towards fixing it. ;)

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