DUST Search - isk payout

iKILLu osborne wrote:

you know i have dreaded bringing this topic up ,but with all changes taking place to fw payouts i feel is now safe without getting trolled with "git gud"

When i finish a match i average 30+kills/4- deaths and finish #1 with between 2300wp-3400wp and yet i find myself going negative earning between 280k-400k assuming my team won. My suit cost 220k so that means if i die twice i am going negative regardless of how well i performed.

So this thread is to ask ccp specifically rattati "Why?". Now i understand a substantial isk payout would allow me to continually proto stomp however could you least increase it enough to cover my losses?

If anybody thinks my request is a foolish one keep in mind they are many corporations that have hoarded hundreds of millions if not billions of isk that they distribute throughout their corp members to allow them to run proto whenever they choose.

so either wipe away all the isk that was generated from pc districts or increase isk payout

any constructive feedback is welcome


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Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:55:00 - [1] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: you know i have dreaded bringing this topic up ,but with all changes taking place to fw payouts i feel is now safe without getting trolled with "git gud" When i finish a match i average 30+kills/4- deaths and finish #1 with between 2300wp-3400wp and yet i find myself going negative earning between 280k-400k assuming my team won. My suit cost 220k so that means if i die twice i am going negative regardless of how well i performed. So this thread is to ask ccp specifically rattati "Why?". Now i understand a substantial isk payout would allow me to continually proto stomp however could you least increase it enough to cover my losses? If anybody thinks my request is a foolish one keep in mind they are many corporations that have hoarded hundreds of millions if not billions of isk that they distribute throughout their corp members to allow them to run proto whenever they choose. so either wipe away all the isk that was generated from pc districts or increase isk payout any constructive feedback is welcome run cheaper suits. you should go isk negative in pubs running proto if you die a couple times.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:18:00 - [2] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: and who decided that seymour and why other than to prevent continous proto stomping that still exist due to pc generated isk ? because in new eden high risk means the chance to lose isk... ccp decided that example you run a 10k isk suit... low risk you will probably die a lot since you have a more difficult time taking down adv and proto, you probably wont get to the top of the board, you wont make the most isk. but the guy running proto he is risking a lot, he should maul through std and militia gear, he will probably be on the top of the board hence make the most isk. granted it doesn't always happen this way, but that why its called risk...
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote oh and by the way pc doesn't generate isk anymore.... they stopped that....no more passive isk... have to fight to make isk now again risk for isk.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 486	Posted - 2014.07.13 18:54:00 - [4] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: and who decided that seymour and why other than to prevent continous proto stomping that still exist due to pc generated isk ? because in new eden high risk means the chance to lose isk... ccp decided that example you run a 10k isk suit... low risk you will probably die a lot since you have a more difficult time taking down adv and proto, you probably wont get to the top of the board, you wont make the most isk. but the guy running proto he is risking a lot, he should maul through std and militia gear, he will probably be on the top of the board hence make the most isk. granted it doesn't always happen this way, but that why its called risk... so by that logic then there is no effective way to gain or maintain isk thus the purpose of this thread. may i ask why are you against this thread? I'm not against this thread...lol I'm against over compensation for poor decision making... why do you have to run a 220k isk suit every match? I get it if you just chose to, but then you have to accept the consequences of that choice. i pretty much just run std and militia gear, i have a 1.31 kdr, I win much more than I lose, have a lot of fun and without any help from PC I have close to 620 mil isk atm... I also run proto and adv gear whenever I feel like it for fun, and have no concern for whether I make a profit or not when I do... I just cant sympathize with your issue.... run cheaper suits if you want to make isk.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2014.07.14 02:48:00 - [5] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: i appreciate your honesty sir, however you severly misinterpret the point of this thread as i stated it's not so that i can continously stomp it is to cover my losses when i put forth my best and perform extremely well and to also clear out all the hoarded isk from the old pc mechanic that allows people to proto stomp every match, that is mainly what has prevented this game from growing. you will never clear that isk out, for it is more vast than all the sands of all the beaches on all the planets of new eden. regardless of your righteous intentions, it would motivate the stomp, and I question how good your best effort truly is if you only use proto regardless of your competition, furthermore in a match where you are faced with a team of proto users as well, if your best effort is still putting you in the red, while your opposition is profiting, then you may want to reassess your own ability. the bottom line is if you are truly skilled then do PC, you can die 4 times there and still make a decent profit on a 220k suit when you figure the avg payout is 3 - 4 mil not to mention any ringer fee you incur which is around 2 - 3 mil isk... as I stated, I'm non PC rich off pubs because I play smart and cheap.... many are, and unless you are a dropship pilot you don't have much excuse to go negative in a pub. unless you choose to.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.07.14 03:42:00 - [6] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: so it has come down to you wanting to run your mouth get the f off my thread and that's about the place where you lose any spec of respect you may have had... taking the attitude "if you don't agree with me then eff you" is paramount to saying "I have nothing more useful to add to this conversation, I have been put in my place" it's no one's fault but your own that you cant go isk positive, if you refuse to play the game by the rules to achieve what you desire then you deserve nothing, and will get nothing....
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 512	Posted - 2014.07.14 06:51:00 - [7] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: so it has come down to you wanting to run your mouth get the f off my thread and that's about the place where you lose any spec of respect you may have had... taking the attitude "if you don't agree with me then eff you" is paramount to saying "I have nothing more useful to add to this conversation, I have been put in my place" it's no one's fault but your own that you cant go isk positive, if you refuse to play the game by the rules to achieve what you desire then you deserve nothing, and will get nothing.... no sir i told you to f off cause the conversation was going in a circle and you insulted me as a player, you still have not told me why your against it, you just keep bringing up eve doctrine, well guess what this isn't eve it is a fps that always been high risk high reward I did tell you why I'm against it, because pub matches are low risk...no one told you to bring a 220k suit into one. the only mode that needs an isk payout change is fw because it has none. PC is high risk hence you get paid millions for one match... you can actually make a million isk in a pub if everyone is spam and losing vehicles and running proto and you are #1 on the boards on the winning team. the most I personally have made in a pub is 800k and change. I didn't insult you, I was blunt, it isn't my problem if you're overly sensitive, and cant take a matter of fact statement... but it's the truth... if I can make hundreds of million in isk in profits and you cant, if tons of others are going isk positive most of the time, and you're not, then you need to reevaluate your ability... because I'm playing the same game you are and I'm no top notch pro player and yet I'm not having this problem... I'm not having it because I play smart and cheap... meanwhile you are banging your head against a wall, being told what you're doing wrong, and instead whine like a little scrub about how you cant make any isk stomping noobs in your 220k proto fit.... you are pathetic....
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 512	Posted - 2014.07.14 06:51:00 - [8] - Quote that was an insult by the way ... see the difference?