DUST Search - @Rattati: assault bonuses, HP, & built-in non-skill bonuses

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

A lot of people say that the Assaults should have an RoF bonus but I'm personally thinking that we shouldn't just make them a lighter version of the Commando. RoF and Damage are largely the same thing when considering DPS, the only difference is that higher damage conserves ammunition.

How about thinking that the Commando is a heavy version of the assault. Assault was here first.

Any bonus that you give to the assault class to make it useful again will appear to most to be like another class. If you give it more tank, they'll say it's getting close to Commando as well. If you give it fast regen or speed boost, people will say it's a heavier scout.

ROF bonus to all assault suits.
amarr - bonus to heat buildup
caldari - bonus to shield regen/recharge delay
gallente - bonus to armor repair rate
min - bonus to bullets per mag

Change the ROF bonus out for something else and I'm likely sold, to be honest. I've got a very different viewpoint as to what Commandos and Assaults -SHOULD- do but right now, I think this is what we're best with.

I'm thinking that assaults are supposed to be slaying on the offensive. ROF bonus seems right up that alley

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Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6275	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:45:00 - [31] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: A lot of people say that the Assaults should have an RoF bonus but I'm personally thinking that we shouldn't just make them a lighter version of the Commando. RoF and Damage are largely the same thing when considering DPS, the only difference is that higher damage conserves ammunition. How about thinking that the Commando is a heavy version of the assault. Assault was here first. Any bonus that you give to the assault class to make it useful again will appear to most to be like another class. If you give it more tank, they'll say it's getting close to Commando as well. If you give it fast regen or speed boost, people will say it's a heavier scout. ROF bonus to all assault suits. amarr - bonus to heat buildup caldari - bonus to shield regen/recharge delay gallente - bonus to armor repair rate min - bonus to bullets per mag Change the ROF bonus out for something else and I'm likely sold, to be honest. I've got a very different viewpoint as to what Commandos and Assaults -SHOULD- do but right now, I think this is what we're best with. I'm thinking that assaults are supposed to be slaying on the offensive. ROF bonus seems right up that alley Again, the only difference between damage and RoF if they're the same value when it comes to DPS is how much ammo you have to expend to kill the target. It theoretically gives them a higher DPS but they're not going to be doing any more damage than Commandos. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15357	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:40:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gallente Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Plasma Weaponry RoF per Level Caldari Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Railgun Effective Range per Level Y/N? N. 25% RoF is too strong. A RoF bonus would be good, although I dislike cutting the clip duration even further. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4295	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:54:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gallente Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Plasma Weaponry RoF per Level Caldari Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Railgun Effective Range per Level Y/N? No. RR Sniping will be ******* insane. RoF for all. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1312	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:07:00 - [34] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Atiim wrote: Gallente Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Plasma Weaponry RoF per Level Caldari Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Railgun Effective Range per Level Y/N? ROF bonus to the entire assault class Agreed. This is worth a shot. The RR does not need any more range that it already has. I think CCP need to take note of the Amarr Assault - that does its job properly and in my opinion is a GREAT assault suit with proper bonuses that CCP should take note from. That being said, a small RoF bonus would be nice - however dont make it too powerful otherwise it will be only Assault suits everywhere. We need to get that balance. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2202	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:24:00 - [35] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Atiim wrote: Gallente Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Plasma Weaponry RoF per Level Caldari Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Railgun Effective Range per Level Y/N? N. 25% RoF is too strong. A RoF bonus would be good, although I dislike cutting the clip duration even further. Rate of fire is what EVERYONE wanted when we where originally doing suits. EVERYONE was TRYING to get away from the assault suit being this brick tanked killing machine. As it has been through the entire history oof this game. Assault suits had tank bonuses, Logi suits had tank bonuses... Heavy suits had fitting and dmg bonuses to a gun that wasn't even in the game. Scouts bonuses... are still terrible. We keep trying to give Assaults the ability to brick tank or have a "Tanky" setup and it will create a balance issue like it always has. Just history shows us this. Assaults role should be the Fast Light Assault trooper... Where the commando is the Slower Heavy tanky assault trooper... We can discuss a number here and a number there... But more then anything As a community we need to discuss: What is the ROLE of an Assault suit in DUST 514? What do we as a general community WANT from it for squad and team composition that adds to the game not copy's or does the same.. We need it to be a positive addition to the overall experience of DUST. So what ROLE do you think an Assault Suit should fill on the battlefield? because right now every class has a clear distinction in their function except Assaults. I Believe Assaults should be the "Light Assaults" of DUST. Fast moving, High Damage, smaller tank but slightly above a scout. With a proper indirect damage bonus like RoF or more something Racial specific. it puts them on equal footing. While the lack of being able to brick tank a 1000HP suit allows their damage potential vs survivability in a Toe to Toe confrontation to be balanced. The Commando can be the Brick tanked "Heavy Assault" with a damage bonus.. But looses it's mobility as it's sacrifice.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:57:00 - [36] - Quote caldari assault doesnt need a good racial bonus yall have the mega rr...that works in cqc to 120m...why would your suit need to be good,,,when you have the best rifle in dust? no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 137	Posted - 2014.07.13 15:10:00 - [37] - Quote PG-¦and CPU upgrade for the assault class ok im agree, slight buff to health ok, for the rest of your idiot comment on this topic i said common, you guys just want the assaut to be FOTM. Everyone want the assault shine more but not insta kill anyone
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3244	Posted - 2014.07.13 16:50:00 - [38] - Quote Morathi III wrote: PG-¦and CPU upgrade for the assault class ok im agree, slight buff to health ok, for the rest of your idiot comment on this topic i said common, you guys just want the assaut to be FOTM. Everyone want the assault shine more but not insta kill anyone In Dust, it becomes FOTM when it becomes useful. PG/CPU bonus is a stupid bonus to give assaults. The issue is to give assaults a bonus so that true assault players will go back to using assault suits. Right now, there is no incentive to go back to your assault suit if you have a scout suit. So, there must be a bonus that makes sense towards the class and will allow true assault players to go back to their class. PG/CPU bonus is more worthless than a reload bonus. "Slight" buff to health isn't going to do **** especially when people choose scout suits over assault suits now with less tank. So, what are you saying or suggesting? ROF bonus to all Amarr - bonus to laser buildup (as it is) Caldari - bonus to shield regen or recharge delay per level Gallente - bonus to armor rep per level Min - as it is > Check RND out here
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 36	Posted - 2014.07.13 17:18:00 - [39] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: caldari assault doesnt need a good racial bonus yall have the mega rr...that works in cqc to 120m...why would your suit need to be good,,,when you have the best rifle in dust? Any suit can use the rr. Max level brony. My special magic is trolling.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3123	Posted - 2014.07.13 18:15:00 - [40] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: ROF bonus to all Amarr - bonus to laser buildup (as it is) Caldari - bonus to shield regen or recharge delay per level Gallente - bonus to armor rep per level Min - as it is I still don't believe that regen bonuses will be enough to make Cal/Gal balanced. They truly need weapon support bonuses before they become a compelling option. If anything the regeneration bonus can be the assault efficacy bonus to both Armor Reps and Rechargers if that is necessary. A reduction to rail kick and rof bonus for Gallente make more sense as weapon support bonuses. Balancing RoF bonus to 2% to make it balanced with Commandos and having 5% for the other racial bonuses to make them compelling.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2210	Posted - 2014.07.13 21:51:00 - [41] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Morathi III wrote: PG-¦and CPU upgrade for the assault class ok im agree, slight buff to health ok, for the rest of your idiot comment on this topic i said common, you guys just want the assaut to be FOTM. Everyone want the assault shine more but not insta kill anyone In Dust, it becomes FOTM when it becomes useful. PG/CPU bonus is a stupid bonus to give assaults. The issue is to give assaults a bonus so that true assault players will go back to using assault suits. Right now, there is no incentive to go back to your assault suit if you have a scout suit. So, there must be a bonus that makes sense towards the class and will allow true assault players to go back to their class. PG/CPU bonus is more worthless than a reload bonus. "Slight" buff to health isn't going to do **** especially when people choose scout suits over assault suits now with less tank. So, what are you saying or suggesting? ROF bonus to all Amarr - bonus to laser buildup (as it is) Caldari - bonus to shield regen or recharge delay per level Gallente - bonus to armor rep per level Min - as it is It's pretty much it... There is a Light Assault hole in the Suit choice in DUST. And people have migrated to Scouts, Commandos and Heavies that prefer that type of gameplay in their Shooter, These are the people that run a Gal and Cal scout as a Chromosome Assault. Or run a Heavy with full time kincats and out strafe scouts. etc.. We need to provide and have a means for that hole in DUST 514's gameplay and choices. As it is right now these classes are half filling the role. and the Assault suits are generally purposeless.
Oskar GALLAKT Prima Gallicus 0	Posted - 2014.07.14 00:03:00 - [42] - Quote what about a tandem bonus ? what di i mean ? - If you are near an assault gallente your armor's repair increase by 3 % by level - if you're near an assault Caldari your shield increase by 3% by level - if you're near an assault minmatar your speed increase by 3 % by level - if you're near an assault amaar your armor increase by 3 % by level of course the bonus can be around 10 m what about that ? like we could imagine seeing on field a minmatar and a gallente rushing faster and stronger on a point . that can be awesone ! it could make strong teamplay in the game, in different way like a nice tandem logisitc and assault. it could really boost the game in the right way ! sure it's not easy to apply and maybe too complicate ... what do you think ?
castba Merc-0107 509	Posted - 2014.07.14 00:55:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gallente Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Plasma Weaponry RoF per Level Caldari Assault Dropsuits: +5% Hybrid - Railgun Effective Range per Level Y/N? 25% at lvl 5!! No to both. AR firing faster than an SMG? RR range out to 125m?
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3247	Posted - 2014.07.14 01:27:00 - [44] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: ROF bonus to all Amarr - bonus to laser buildup (as it is) Caldari - bonus to shield regen or recharge delay per level Gallente - bonus to armor rep per level Min - as it is I still don't believe that regen bonuses will be enough to make Cal/Gal balanced. They truly need weapon support bonuses before they become a compelling option. You missed the ROF bonus to all assault suits > Check RND out here


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