There are so many threads floating around with so many replies I felt like I wanted to put this proposal on itGÇÖs own so I could get feedback (and discussion!) on it.

Problem: Medium frames suck because Scouts can do their job just as well in addition to being scouts.

Solution: Moar bonuses. IGÇÖll stick to logistics bonuses because thatGÇÖs what I know best. (For assaults the Amarr bonus is obviously the gold standard so that should be the model for the other races.)

Currently the logistics equipment bonuses are as follows:

All: 5% fitting reduction to equipment

Racial bonuses:
- Caldari: +10% to nanohive max. nanites and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level.
- Gallente: +10% to active scanner visibility duration and +5% to active scanner precision per level.
- Minmatar: +10% to repair tool range and 5% to repair amount per level.
- Amarr: 10% reduction to drop uplink spawn time and +2 to max spawn count per level.

No need to do anything with the fitting bonus for now. For equipment, I propose the following:

Primary racial bonuses: No change.

Secondary racial bonuses (new GÇô all per level):
- 3% to nanites and 1.5% to supply rate
- 3% to scanner duration. 1.5% to precision
- 3% to rep tool range, 1.5% to repair amount
- 3% to uplink spawn time, andGǪ 0.4 max spawn count? (that oneGÇÖs tricky!)


Naturally this would not stack with the primary bonus, so the min logi would not be getting itGÇÖs 10% plus another 3%. It would just get the 10%, and look like this:

Primary bonus: +10% to repair tool range and 5% to repair amount per level

Secondary bonuses:
- 3% to nanites and 1.5% to supply rate
- 3% to scanner duration. 1.5% to precision
- 3% to uplink spawn time, and 0.4 max spawn count




This now gives logiGÇÖs a definite advantage over scouts when it comes to support roles, but does not really infringe on the other logi suits because the bonus is so much smaller. Rep tool on a Min logi will still be amazing, and much better than it would be on a Gal logi. But, it will be better on a Gal logi than it will on a Gal scout.

Thoughts?

Shotty, I can tell you that since 1.8, I often used scout suits for logi-type work. The gallente scout has pretty insane fitting power, is invisible, relatively speaking, and substantially faster than my Amarr logi with no major loss of eHP AND 3hp/sec inherent reps. At STD it also has the same number of equipment slots. Given the wonky nature of the Amarr logi bonus, I honestly end up sacrificing relatively little by using the suit.

Only my stubborn clinging-on to the RP and suit class prevent me from using it more than I already do.

That said, I may be an anomaly. I doubt it, but it's possible. If we could get stats on the use of more traditional logi equipment on scout suits I'd be quite interested in that information myself. Rep tools by themselves might not be a perfect metric as the minmatar logi bonus is very powerful, but if you could get a look at all equipment in total, that might be more appropriate.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and will be happy to admit it. However, I would still stand by the general statement that medium suits remain outclassed by lights in more respects than not. The statement about scouts being the real enemy is mostly tongue in cheek, though it's true that pitting medium frames against eachother (see: any time someone said "oh no slayer logi" less than 6 months ago) is misguided because that's simply not the major imbalance in the current meta.

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Another possibility:

I've been liking the idea of giving racially themed partial bonuses instead of just the flat 1/3 of the "other" races bonuses from the OP.

Let's use repair tools as an example: the Caldari would get a bonus to rep tool range, but not rate, whereas the Amarr would get a bonus to rate but not range. Maybe gallente gets a little bit of both, idk, but obviously none would be able to match up to a minmatar logi rep tool.

Same with uplinks: Again, it's up for debate but let's call it Minmatar get a bonus to number of spawns and Caldari to spawn time. Maybe we just keep the theme of gallente being generalists like their original bonus and they get a little of both.

(This post in progress)
Another possibility:

I've been liking the idea of giving racially themed partial bonuses instead of just the flat 1/3 of the "other" races bonuses from the OP.

Let's use repair tools as an example: the Caldari would get a bonus to rep tool range, but not rate, whereas the Amarr would get a bonus to rate but not range. Maybe gallente gets a little bit of both, idk, but obviously none would be able to match up to a minmatar logi rep tool.

Same with uplinks: Again, it's up for debate but let's call it Minmatar get a bonus to number of spawns and Caldari to spawn time. Maybe we just keep the theme of gallente being generalists like their original bonus and they get a little of both.