What we need to do (and what I'm trying to do here) is to separate medium frames, as a group, from the real enemy, scouts!

Scouts generally run nothing but scouts.

It can be seen in the barber shop that you guys should not be taken seriously for anything to do with balance as its always balance vs scouts, not balance in general.

Now go back back to the neckbeard shop.

Thank you.

Its impossible for a scout to out logi a logi ...

I cannot believe that was even brought up.

Yes a scout can mimic a logi and be speedy with a cloak but its as ridiculous as me stating that my cloaked proto min or Amarr assaults can out scout a scout. I use those specifically to kill the vast majority of 'scouts'.

I'm sorry but the ridiculous capabilities of scouts has gone on long enough and I have yet to see a scout come out and admit how fking stupidly good they are.

I have a proto scout as well and have been scouting since beta. This char is a tongue in cheek alt.

Shotty, I can tell you that since 1.8, I often used scout suits for logi-type work. The gallente scout has pretty insane fitting power, is invisible, relatively speaking, and substantially faster than my Amarr logi with no major loss of eHP AND 3hp/sec inherent reps. At STD it also has the same number of equipment slots. Given the wonky nature of the Amarr logi bonus, I honestly end up sacrificing relatively little by using the suit.

Only my stubborn clinging-on to the RP and suit class prevent me from using it more than I already do.

That said, I may be an anomaly. I doubt it, but it's possible. If we could get stats on the use of more traditional logi equipment on scout suits I'd be quite interested in that information myself. Rep tools by themselves might not be a perfect metric as the minmatar logi bonus is very powerful, but if you could get a look at all equipment in total, that might be more appropriate.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and will be happy to admit it. However, I would still stand by the general statement that medium suits remain outclassed by lights in more respects than not. The statement about scouts being the real enemy is mostly tongue in cheek, though it's true that pitting medium frames against eachother (see: any time someone said "oh no slayer logi" less than 6 months ago) is misguided because that's simply not the major imbalance in the current meta.

Well, since you can perform your scout roles with or without a cloak you can choose which you'd rather be better at, your squad role or cloaking. That level of stealth has proven itself worthy of being it's own effectively separate discipline and much of the game overall would be better served by that separation versus the additional multiplier to all other light frame activities it is now.

Well, one of the obstacles would be the Amarr sidearm issue, I'd rather not lose it and this might give more traction to the movement to do so. Personally I think it would be ok since the Amarr logi also technically gives up a low for the sidearm as well, which is a heavy price to pay. Otherwise I can live with your proposal, though I think the PG/CPU buff should be somewhat modest and coupled with the bonus to equipment fitting costs being doubled. There are also base stat deficiencies that could use some work but that's a larger discussion.

Thank you. My work here is done.

I know Cross is looking at this thread, but certainly your input on this sort of thing as the de facto voice of the scout community would be beneficial if and when Rattati finally gets around to this.