DUST Search - cloaked first shot fix?

Mikey Ducati wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Mikey Ducati wrote:

I don't think him to be a troll. What is the importance of getting a shot off before you decloak? If the player didn't see you sneak up on him, a mere full decloak before blasting him won't change anything. He's still a dead mercenary.

Have you ever survived a gunfight by one or two shots ???

I think that does make a difference .

You get a stealth bonus on top of the e-war set up if your using a advanced or proto cloak , so if you know that and slack on equipping yourself I might just be able to see you when you de-cloak so that gives me a chance to retaliate , where this glitch just leads to you looking up a the kill feed wondering who and what just killed you .

In both scenarios, it doesn't matter if he got the shot off while cloaked. It makes no significant difference to the 1 on 1 firefight. Beating a scout is about awareness. If you're not aware in the first place, more than likely you will die.

A cloaked scout running towards you is the most obvious thing you can see if you're paying attention, nullifying the argument of getting a shot off before decloaking.

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HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5070	Posted - 2014.07.10 12:05:00 - [1] - Quote When can we get the delay that was supposed to be implemented to give a delay from the time you cloak to the time you can shoot?
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 596	Posted - 2014.07.10 13:08:00 - [2] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: When can we get the delay that was supposed to be implemented to give a delay from the time you cloak to the time you can shoot? Does anyone think its still acceptable to have a free shot from invisibility? From the first time the cloak was discussed we were promised they would not be able to shoot from cloak. Why has this not been fixed? I'm still waiting for them to fix the stuck effect when running next to smooth walls. Scouts, Heavies and CR's...Oh My! At least you can't use a modded controller with the RR. LOL
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5402	Posted - 2014.07.10 13:09:00 - [3] - Quote Cloak should have to be manually shut off before you can switch to a weapon. I'm free! /o/
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 493	Posted - 2014.07.10 13:48:00 - [4] - Quote I don't see why.I don't understand the real problem,why is that a big deal. Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 55	Posted - 2014.07.10 13:54:00 - [5] - Quote most of the problem is just lag between the players because when i uncloak i can see my shotgun before i fire but it is almost immediate as soon as im visible it fires a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2044	Posted - 2014.07.10 13:55:00 - [6] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: I don't see why.I don't understand the real problem,why is that a big deal. 0/10 You should be required to wait for a period (3-5 full seconds) after you are visible to attack/swap to a weapon. I also think that there should be no timer whatsoever, I should be able to move cloaked for as long as I like so long as I do not come within 5-10m of another player "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 495	Posted - 2014.07.10 14:28:00 - [7] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: BLOOD Ruler wrote: I don't see why.I don't understand the real problem,why is that a big deal. 0/10 You should be required to wait for a period (3-5 full seconds) after you are visible to attack/swap to a weapon. I also think that there should be no timer whatsoever, I should be able to move cloaked for as long as I like so long as I do not come within 5-10m of another player Hey That should be the thing,no timer unless coming 4-10m of that player. Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 161	Posted - 2014.07.10 14:46:00 - [8] - Quote As a scout, among many other roles, I still refuse to spec into cloaks because I feel the single shotgun shot/few rounds off from rifles/cooking grenades while cloaked is a super cheap tactic that honestly makes this game broken. Scouts are already super strong with speed, passive and essentially invisible tacnet wise. Now I will admit the cloak does have it use for scouts in an evasive scenario and that it where it should excel, NOT used to get easy skills. I have always said there should be a few second delay between De-cloak and fire. Cloaks should only be intended for use as a tactical positioning/evasive tool. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5077	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote So it seems that to get something fixed these days there has to be enough qq on the forums to have it looked at. See the Dev comment on this here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2249734#post2249734 I just assumed like many others that this issue was discussed in complete depth and we were told it would be fixed, then it got pulled off the hotfix for some reason, and we were just waiting for it to be rolled out After reading Rattati comments it seems we have to flood the forums again to get this promised fix back on the list.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 831	Posted - 2014.07.10 16:14:00 - [10] - Quote just nuff said ((( Sorry for bad English =) >>> Legion rdy! <<<

Yeeeuuuupppp uptown456 Dark Taboo 423	Posted - 2014.07.10 16:17:00 - [11] - Quote How about we remove the cloaks and bring back the profile dampening bonus ? No need to be invisible, unless you're invisible to scans. Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 355	Posted - 2014.07.10 16:50:00 - [12] - Quote Other than misstepping with a heavy+HMG or otherwise playing like a dumb@ss, the only fits that consistently present a problem for me are cloaky scouts with SGs or A/CRs. On the one hand, this makes me feel like I'm QQing because it's effective against me personally. On the other hand, I'd guess about 90% of the community has a similar outlook... If cloaks worked as they were advertised from day one (don't forget to take note of the de/activation animation at the very bottom of the post), people would cry a lot less about scouts in general. Fix cloaks and assaults and I think most people will be happy.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3242	Posted - 2014.07.10 17:40:00 - [13] - Quote I'm confused, how are they even shooting you? I always kill them before they get a chance to de-cloak. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Empress of Alts
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1696	Posted - 2014.07.10 17:59:00 - [14] - Quote Remove the cloak and lets bring skill back to the game. There is your answer. Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5083	Posted - 2014.07.10 18:15:00 - [15] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: I'm confused, how are they even shooting you? I always kill them before they get a chance to de-cloak. Lol at your confusion. I suppose this is the way you deflect the argument. I know you use this to great advantage having played you many times, and I suppose this is the way you want to defend it? As a future CPM (yes I voted for you) I hope you consider things that you use with an open mind and not use the CPM platform to lobby for things that you like and use only. Now please tell me again how this is good for the game? It was discussed in great detail and we were even told is was going to be fixed, and yet it has not. P.s "always kill them".... OK
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2014.07.10 19:50:00 - [16] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: I'm confused, how are they even shooting you? I always kill them before they get a chance to de-cloak. Lol at your confusion. I suppose this is the way you deflect the argument. I know you use this to great advantage having played you many times, and I suppose this is the way you want to defend it? As a future CPM (yes I voted for you) I hope you consider things that you use with an open mind and not use the CPM platform to lobby for things that you like and use only. Now please tell me again how this is good for the game? It was discussed in great detail and we were even told is was going to be fixed, and yet it has not. P.s "always kill them".... OK I think his point is that for them to shoot you, they had to sneak up on you so whether or not they were cloaked when they shot you is irrelevant.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5090	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:03:00 - [17] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: I'm confused, how are they even shooting you? I always kill them before they get a chance to de-cloak. Lol at your confusion. I suppose this is the way you deflect the argument. I know you use this to great advantage having played you many times, and I suppose this is the way you want to defend it? As a future CPM (yes I voted for you) I hope you consider things that you use with an open mind and not use the CPM platform to lobby for things that you like and use only. Now please tell me again how this is good for the game? It was discussed in great detail and we were even told is was going to be fixed, and yet it has not. P.s "always kill them".... OK I think his point is that for them to shoot you, they had to sneak up on you so whether or not they were cloaked when they shot you is irrelevant. A free alpha shot from an invisible position was supposed to be delayed until a full decloak animation and a delayed shot fired. And lol " they had to sneak up you" while they are invisible does factor into the free alpha shot while being cloaked. What you two are trying to say I suppose is to get good and be able to see a stationary cloaked Scott while in the middle of a fire fight shoot you then decloak? Scouts will try to keep this broken mechanic I suppose.
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 585	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:37:00 - [18] - Quote I'm gonna test it later, but I think there maybe a glitch where you can melee from cloak without switching weapons? As soon as I test it, I'll edit this post. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 148	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:23:00 - [19] - Quote I've got mixed feelings, on one hand it's pretty clearly unintended abuse and doesn't really add anything to the game, on the other hand it's nice to see other scouts actually put up a fight. Or it was nice to see back in March, anyway. I think time has and will continue to make me less in favor cloak abuse.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 885	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:44:00 - [20] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: I don't see why.I don't understand the real problem,why is that a big deal. This is def a troll . How about you let me get free shots off on you repeatedly and then tell me how that feels . It's not as bad as it was and it noticed by the drop off in these incidences but it was a cheap tactic by garbage players and anyone endorsing this tactic is a qualified garbage scrub . Not being able to be detected should be enough where you get free shots / stabs , so why exploit a glitch if your any good while running around patting yourself on the back basically boosting kills that you probably wouldn't normally get .... ah , I see now why you scrubs do this . Scrubs just scrubs . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.

Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 209	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:48:00 - [21] - Quote I don't think him to be a troll. What is the importance of getting a shot off before you decloak? If the player didn't see you sneak up on him, a mere full decloak before blasting him won't change anything. He's still a dead mercenary.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 885	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:50:00 - [22] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: [quote=Appia Vibbia] As a future CPM (yes I voted for you) I hope you consider things that you use with an open mind and not use the CPM platform to lobby for things that you like and use only. I second this thought and to further say , I think that's why we are in the state that we are in right now with the continued fluxing between nerf / buff and changes to roles ( The a-logi for example and the fact that I didn't see a CPM member side with or even attempt to be a go-between the community and the Dev's but instead just agreeing with changes without considering the feedback and mixed emotions from the community ) because there are some of these same like people in the same position right now . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 518	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:51:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: BLOOD Ruler wrote: I don't see why.I don't understand the real problem,why is that a big deal. This is def a troll . How about you let me get free shots off on you repeatedly and then tell me how that feels . It's not as bad as it was and it noticed by the drop off in these incidences but it was a cheap tactic by garbage players and anyone endorsing this tactic is a qualified garbage scrub . Not being able to be detected should be enough where you get free shots / stabs , so why exploit a glitch if your any good while running around patting yourself on the back basically boosting kills that you probably wouldn't normally get .... ah , I see now why you scrubs do this . Scrubs just scrubs . I don't use cloak unless I'm in a building.I have two amarr scouts,1 with cloak,another with just stacking armor and shielding.Stacking stuff like that on an amarr is legit,because the scout is a light assault.Another thing I don't use cheap tactics like you.Ya freaken no skilled,loser,facking scrub.....thank you Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 885	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:54:00 - [24] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: I don't think him to be a troll. What is the importance of getting a shot off before you decloak? If the player didn't see you sneak up on him, a mere full decloak before blasting him won't change anything. He's still a dead mercenary. Have you ever survived a gunfight by one or two shots ??? I think that does make a difference . You get a stealth bonus on top of the e-war set up if your using a advanced or proto cloak , so if you know that and slack on equipping yourself I might just be able to see you when you de-cloak so that gives me a chance to retaliate , where this glitch just leads to you looking up a the kill feed wondering who and what just killed you . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 885	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:57:00 - [25] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: BLOOD Ruler wrote: I don't see why.I don't understand the real problem,why is that a big deal. This is def a troll . How about you let me get free shots off on you repeatedly and then tell me how that feels . It's not as bad as it was and it noticed by the drop off in these incidences but it was a cheap tactic by garbage players and anyone endorsing this tactic is a qualified garbage scrub . Not being able to be detected should be enough where you get free shots / stabs , so why exploit a glitch if your any good while running around patting yourself on the back basically boosting kills that you probably wouldn't normally get .... ah , I see now why you scrubs do this . Scrubs just scrubs . I don't use cloak unless I'm in a building.I have two amarr scouts,1 with cloak,another with just stacking armor and shielding.Stacking stuff like that on an amarr is legit,because the scout is a light assault.Another thing I don't use cheap tactics like you.Ya freaken no skilled,loser,facking scrub.....thank you I'm not the one encouraging this tactic and dismissing those who would have a problem with such . That's the truth . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 209	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:02:00 - [26] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: I don't think him to be a troll. What is the importance of getting a shot off before you decloak? If the player didn't see you sneak up on him, a mere full decloak before blasting him won't change anything. He's still a dead mercenary. Have you ever survived a gunfight by one or two shots ??? I think that does make a difference . You get a stealth bonus on top of the e-war set up if your using a advanced or proto cloak , so if you know that and slack on equipping yourself I might just be able to see you when you de-cloak so that gives me a chance to retaliate , where this glitch just leads to you looking up a the kill feed wondering who and what just killed you . 80 percent of the time a scout has gotten me is when I'm not paying attention to my six. By the time the first shot goes off and I hear the noise, I'm turning, which is too late because the scout is already strafing me by moving to the right. He lets off another round as I adjust for the battle. The other scenario is that a scout boldly approaches me in cloak, in which I do see him coming. I react, but if my aim is not steady and my concentration is not right, he will get me by using bunny hops and strafes to kill me. In both scenarios, it doesn't matter if he got the shot off while cloaked. It makes no significant difference to the 1 on 1 firefight. Beating a scout is about awareness. If you're not aware in the first place, more than likely you will die. A cloaked scout running towards you is the most obvious thing you can see if you're paying attention, nullifying the argument of getting a shot off before decloaking. The problem is miniscule. It's just something to complain about that really can be ignored in favor of other issues that has priority.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5092	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:08:00 - [27] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: I don't think him to be a troll. What is the importance of getting a shot off before you decloak? If the player didn't see you sneak up on him, a mere full decloak before blasting him won't change anything. He's still a dead mercenary. Have you ever survived a gunfight by one or two shots ??? I think that does make a difference . You get a stealth bonus on top of the e-war set up if your using a advanced or proto cloak , so if you know that and slack on equipping yourself I might just be able to see you when you de-cloak so that gives me a chance to retaliate , where this glitch just leads to you looking up a the kill feed wondering who and what just killed you . In both scenarios, it doesn't matter if he got the shot off while cloaked. It makes no significant difference to the 1 on 1 firefight. Beating a scout is about awareness. If you're not aware in the first place, more than likely you will die. A cloaked scout running towards you is the most obvious thing you can see if you're paying attention, nullifying the argument of getting a shot off before decloaking. priority. So it seems you agree if it doesn't matter if the shot was gotten off with or without the cloak, so then remove the ability to get the shot off while cloaked. Because it is a very crappy mechanic that makes the whole game feel cheap and simply should be fixed.
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 521	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:18:00 - [28] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: I don't think him to be a troll. What is the importance of getting a shot off before you decloak? If the player didn't see you sneak up on him, a mere full decloak before blasting him won't change anything. He's still a dead mercenary. Have you ever survived a gunfight by one or two shots ??? I think that does make a difference . You get a stealth bonus on top of the e-war set up if your using a advanced or proto cloak , so if you know that and slack on equipping yourself I might just be able to see you when you de-cloak so that gives me a chance to retaliate , where this glitch just leads to you looking up at the kill feed wondering who and what just killed you . Yes I survived,total number of times 78-129.Yes I for every time I got shot by them cloak at the end I add it to make list of scout encounters.78 of them I have killed,while the other times I was zoning out.I was at fault does other times it was my fault.If you died more then that,you suck,you have no skill,and you are a loser who can be only a sore loser. Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
BLAAAASTER Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 108	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:34:00 - [29] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: Yes I survived,total number of times 78-129.Yes I for every time I got shot by them cloak at the end I add it to make list of scout encounters.78 of them I have killed,while the other times I was zoning out.I was at fault does other times it was my fault.If you died more then that,you suck,you have no skill,and you are a loser who can be only a sore loser. What are you 12? These are my favorite type of posts to read, a blueberry with an opinion cause he counted his pub games. I can't stop laughing!
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 211	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:35:00 - [30] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: So it seems you agree if it doesn't matter if the shot was gotten off with or without the cloak, so then remove the ability to get the shot off while cloaked. Because it is a very crappy mechanic that makes the whole game feel cheap and simply should be fixed. Your first sentence doesn't make sense. Compared to other things that require attention, like new game modes and simple rep indicators for Sentinels, the cloak n shoot issue can wait. You guys often fuss and complain about the miniscule that shouldn't even be a worrying factor.



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