DUST Search - Skill Stacking

Beld Errmon wrote:

wah wah they are fixing the bug I exploited wah.... all i'm hearing "true vehicle user"

You don't need the stacked skills exploit, solo ADS pilots manage to use the weapons fine to destroy tanks and kill large amounts of infantry, the gunner will still get either his own skills or the pilots and he will still have the advantage of not actually flying the craft and being able to move the turret around independent of the ship, you are chucking a long winded hissy fit for nothing.

And stop BSing about the side guns gimping the tank, its marginally less tanky than the usual fits, unless you are trying to fit all 3 turrets at proto lvl, guess what buddy every vehicle and suit in the game needs to sacrifice something somewhere to be fit in a particular fashion.

Just because a bug wasn't fixed for a long time doesn't make it a feature, skilling up to exploit that bug doesn't justify it being kept around for the handful of players that knew it existed and wanted to exploit it to its fullest.


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Finn Colman Immortal Guides 29	Posted - 2014.07.10 16:59:00 - [1] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: wah wah they are fixing the bug I exploited wah.... all i'm hearing "true vehicle user" You don't need the stacked skills exploit, solo ADS pilots manage to use the weapons fine to destroy tanks and kill large amounts of infantry, the gunner will still get either his own skills or the pilots and he will still have the advantage of not actually flying the craft and being able to move the turret around independent of the ship, you are chucking a long winded hissy fit for nothing. And stop BSing about the side guns gimping the tank, its marginally less tanky than the usual fits, unless you are trying to fit all 3 turrets at proto lvl, guess what buddy every vehicle and suit in the game needs to sacrifice something somewhere to be fit in a particular fashion. Just because a bug wasn't fixed for a long time doesn't make it a feature, skilling up to exploit that bug doesn't justify it being kept around for the handful of players that knew it existed and wanted to exploit it to its fullest. Seriously? I can hardly tank my ADS at all without giving up a gun. Maybe it's because I don't have high skills in any aspect relating to vehicle modules, and even in this case you would be suggesting that there should be no pilots who don't dive in headfirst (a ridiculous notion in itself). Besides a good pilot needs to be very skilled in actually operating the controls (not just those "skills" that take SP), if anyone knows that it is someone who is still learning to hit something with the nose turret without getting themselves shot down (it's been about three months of practicing now). I can't say the same for the skill of most tankers, but don't get me wrong there are some excellent tankers out there. Aside from that I'm surprised that Ghazbaran has even seen so many ADS pilots who have side gunners. I rarely see an ADS, let alone one with gunners. Then again he probably plays more of the game modes for more skilled players (FW and PC)... or Scotty might actually have some matchmaking capability (though not much), but I'm unsure of that option because I was actually blasted in the face by Ghazbaran's PLC in one match. I will acknowledge it (skill stacking) as a bug, but what about the other bugs around? Does it really effect gameplay that much? Am I the only person who rarely gets shot by an ADS when on foot?
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 30	Posted - 2014.07.10 17:20:00 - [2] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Finn Colman wrote: I will acknowledge it (skill stacking) as a bug, but what about the other bugs around? Does it really effect gameplay that much? Am I the only person who rarely gets shot by an ADS when on foot? Like anyone I want all bugs fixed, but this one gets my goat because a bug allows 2 people sometimes 3 to gang up on my dropship and shoot it down in under 2 seconds, all their pilot has to do is keep it steady all their gunner has to do is point and shoot, and no matter how well I fly they will win by virtue of having 3 turrets 2 of which can deliver twice my dps. Even after this bug is fixed they will still have a number of advantages over me, but at least I'll have a fighting chance and they won't have a bug giving them 4k dps when the typical 2k is already amazingly powerful. Shrugs Most of the pilots I run into can hardly hold their own in a dogfight (the only thing I'm even moderately good at), regardless of the number of gunners. I suppose Scotty is doing something then, or it could be because I only play pubs. Whatever the case, It's simply not something I see or experience. I do however, experience getting shot by Rail tanks 2-3 times before crashing down. Like I've said many times in a few different threads, being a beginner pilot sucks.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 30	Posted - 2014.07.10 19:00:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Quit defending your crutch. If anything, turrets should be easier to fit. The maximum bonus allowed by standard methods is more than enough for a skilled player to be effective. Right now, players are utilizing a bug that pushes their abilities beyond what was intended (or makes any sense, at all) and now rely heavily on that bug to feel relevant. Thank you Rattati, for clearing things up and acknowledging that this is, in fact, a BUG. Now, I can't disagree. I don't have enough reason to experience on either side of the argument so I can't make a strong argument for either. Personally if I can fit my Armour and all three turrets I'm fine with this. It's also worth noting that I'm not skilled into these anymore than what I need to fit them.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 30	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:39:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: oh shut up you mad solo python scrubs. Teamwork>solo flying. And what have you to say of someone like myself. Someone who has been convinced that it should be removed. Also I fly an Incubus, for the record.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 32	Posted - 2014.07.11 03:14:00 - [5] - Quote I'm not sure if I just feel bad because of the ****-ish way that DUST Fiend was acting, but I kind of want to support Ghazbaran again... Either way, I think there should be stacking, but it should only be partial stacking and only with certain skills. Whatever is done, we also need to remember that there are still beginners.